200 Livingston Procida-ing Apace
The construction crew has really been jamming over at 200 Livingston Street! When we checked in back in mid-April only the ground-floor had been framed out. The photo above shows how far they’ve come in three months. According to a Brooklyn Eagle story last week, the 25-story tower is expected to top out any day…
The construction crew has really been jamming over at 200 Livingston Street! When we checked in back in mid-April only the ground-floor had been framed out. The photo above shows how far they’ve come in three months. According to a Brooklyn Eagle story last week, the 25-story tower is expected to top out any day now. The number of units has been a bit of a moving target. First it was 214, then 280 and now the Eagle article says 246. Whatever. The point is it’s a lot of units.
Livingston/Schermerhorn Development Takes Shape [Brooklyn Eagle] GMAP
Development Watch: 189 Scherm aka 200 Livingston [Brownstoner]
“some commercial has to serve immediate needs”
This isn’t necessarily true. When Walentas started turning Dumbo into a residential neighborhood, retail didn’t move in. In order to make the area more appealing, Walentas gave bargain-basement rents to merchants to bring in commercial services.
There’s no reason why services or high-end businesses would necessarily move into the side streets near Fulton. Who knows? Depends on the competing market (i.e., consumers along Fulton). Residents may just wind up walking to Montague.
I disagree – I don’t think there’s enough residential development. We need and will get it, too.
TeTe, who made you the ultimate decider of who is and is not a racist?
Change is inevitable.
There’s too much residential development that’s in the works. Albee Square, Belltel, 110 Livingston, 200 Livingston, Oro, Schermerhorn, etc., are going to provide the critical mass required for retail/commercial change.
no, but some commercial has to serve immediate needs of nearby residents whereas before there were no real mass of nearby residents whatever the demograhic…maybe the side streets will cater to them.
I think that’s sort of the point…the demographic of a cultural institution or community site (BAM or Fulton Mall) doesn’t change quickly. BAM has served a different demographic than its surrounding neighborhood for decades. Just because wealthy people build condos on the streets around Fulton Mall doesn’t mean that the retail is going to change. Nor should it.
have you noticed that the demographic for the Bam theater is different than the majority of the neighborhood residents? Just an observation.Not to sound racist or anything!
To 12:51pm, notwithstanding the opportunity to go off on your need to start *ish about race, I don’t think a movie theatre is really all that great of an indicator of what demographic will come out to buy from higher end shops. Just look at the theaters in TQ. I think it’s safe to say that residents of that area are in higher income brackets then those that frequent the theatre. It’s all about access as you yourself point out. If there’s no movie theatre in your neighborhood you go to the one thats easieast for you to get to no matter who actually lives there.
As for the capacity for retail to go higher end, I really don’t see why it wouldn’t in an area where higher income folks are moving in all the time. I don’t think condos like this one or any of the other new developments really speak to the Fulton Mall consumer. Restaurants other than the fast food variety are slowly making their way in, better retail is sure to follow. Probably not 5th Avenue, but similar to Union Square.
BTW the “not to sound racist” schtick doesn’t automatically give you a pass for racist statements.
I don’t think the retail on Fulton is going to change at all. There was a study recently that the mall is one of the highest grossing retail spots in the city — it’s cheap, but very profitable. I don’t think higher-end shops would have the customer-base to pay the high rents.
I’m also going to throw something out there that I’m sure will be jumped on as racist, though it’s not intended as such; just an observation about class in Brooklyn. Anyway, have you noticed that the demographic at the movie theater on Court Street in Brooklyn Heights is very different than that of neighborhood residents? Why? Well, movie theaters that used to serve that group (in Fulton Mall, on Flatbush at 7th on the PS/PH border) have closed in the last 10 years, and the Court Street theater has good subway access and is close to Fulton Mall. Bit of a digression, but similarly, I don’t think the retail mix on Fulton will change unless a competitor for that demographic opens up elsewhere in Brooklyn.
Will be interesting to see how retail mix changes both on and off Fulton St downtown when this and the other new bldgs on Schermerhorn become fully occupied (plus the Smith and 110 Liv and Belltell).
BTW – the ever so slow moving Smith has begun putting in windows.