Worries Aired About Stack Parking Next to Arena
Today the New York Post reports that Atlantic Yards critics commissioned renderings showing it’s impossible for Forest City Ratner to fill the 1,100-spot parking lot mandated by the state next to the Barclays Center without using stacked parking. This doesn’t sit well with some in the area: “The concern, neighborhood residents say, is that hydraulic…
Today the New York Post reports that Atlantic Yards critics commissioned renderings showing it’s impossible for Forest City Ratner to fill the 1,100-spot parking lot mandated by the state next to the Barclays Center without using stacked parking. This doesn’t sit well with some in the area: “The concern, neighborhood residents say, is that hydraulic systems and valet service associated with stack parking slow the entry and exit of cars from the lot, potentially creating bumper-to-bumper traffic on surrounding streets and sending antsy drivers to seek the area’s few remaining curbside spaces.” A rep for Forest City says the developer is “conducting an analysis that we hope will allow” the firm to avoid using stack parking. Atlantic Yards Report takes this “analysis” to mean that Forest City is considering using “a modular system that’s never been tested. And that was discussed more than eight months ago, though no formal plans have never been announced.” The surface-lot block is bounded by Carlton, Vanderbilt, Dean and Pacific; the Post notes that it’s “expected to exist at least a decade” because of the delays with the other Atlantic Yards buildings that have also held up plans for a permanent, underground lot. Meanwhile, Atlantic Yards Watch runs the rendering shown above, depicting how the stack parking could look, and contrasts it with another rendering, reproduced on the jump, that shows how the lot might look if it had to comply with New York City design standards for surface lots. The lot doesn’t have to comply with those standards—which would require landscaping and reduce the number of cars the lot could hold to around 500—because it will be considered temporary, rather than permanent, parking.
Barclays Center in Brooklyn Will Create Parking and Traffic Problems [NY Post]
What if the Barclays Center Parking Lot Was Required to Meet NYC Design Standards? [AY Watch]
The Peril of Car Stackers on the Arena Parking Lot [AY Report]
no chuck i wasnt paying attention, in fact this is the first i have heard or thought about AY
Cool. That’s what I thought.
To get a little more background, check out a blog called “Atlantic Yards Report.” It’ll help bring you up to speed.
MM is the borough president, which means he has zero real power so if thats who gets your ire up, well so be it – but it is a ridiculous position.
The only organized opposition had one fundamental position – no arena, at all costs. And pursued that position through years of baseless lawsuits and FUD. That is a fact; and in my opinion that is why now all we see being built is an arena. Had a legitimate strategy been pursued things would have been completed faster, nicer and with more concessions to local residents.
Regardless of the past – 1100 parking spots is frankly tiny and great news for the neighborhood.
MM is the borough president, which means he has zero real power so if thats who gets your ire up, well so be it – but it is a ridiculous position.
The only organized opposition had one fundamental position – no arena, at all costs. And pursued that position through years of baseless lawsuits and FUD. That is a fact; and in my opinion that is why now all we see being built is an arena. Had a legitimate strategy been pursued things would have been completed faster, nicer and with more concessions to local residents.
Regardless of the past – 1100 parking spots is frankly tiny and great news for the neighborhood.
Have you been paying attention the last eight years?
Are you saying there are only two camps? FCR and “the opposition”? Well then what do you expect from an organized opposition except to totally oppose it?
The reality is that plenty of other groups (Brooklyn Speaks, Municipal Arts Society, Pratt come to mind) and a few politicians tried to improve the project. Plenty of local residents, too. Tried to get other voices heard. Sent letters, attended meetings.
Every voice that wasn’t bankrolled by Ratner was shut out of the process. So again, what do you expect the “opposition” to do? Sit back and wait for the nice developer to toss some concessions our way?
I agree that 1100 parking spots is tiny – but there could/should still be less. There are already about 1500 more spots in garages/lots within walking distance of the arena – that’s the big fear.
The more of a hassle is it for people to drive = the less people will drive.
The more of a hassle is it for people to drive = the less people will drive.
The real FU is the one that DDDB did on pursuing an all or nothing approach that simply delayed and ran up FCR costs and got nothing for the community (but did enrich Dan Goldstein with $3M)
Frankly 1100 spots no matter how you lay it out really isnt that much and wont cause much traffic impact
Oh really, fsrq? That’s the FU?
I’ve followed this whole AY saga from the beginning, and the biggest FU was from Marty Markowitz who spent the first year from the 2003 announcement saying “we want to hear from the community” – but what that windbag was really saying was “i only want to hear from people who blindly support the project.”
Like many of my neighbors, we tried for years to have our voices heard, have improvements made, have community concerns addressed — and “the real FU” is that Marty, Ratner and their stooges snowjobbed everybody and created something that only some gray, paunchy suburbanite politicians can be proud of.
Try keeping a little perspective before you trot out that $3M Goldstein stat.