Quote of the Day
Ok here is one part of this that was ignored. The police usually don’t respond or do anything about drug dealing unless someone has a gun. They have to actually catch someone in the act of dealing to really arrest them. They are business people and have figured out how to do their business. They…
Ok here is one part of this that was ignored. The police usually don’t respond or do anything about drug dealing unless someone has a gun. They have to actually catch someone in the act of dealing to really arrest them. They are business people and have figured out how to do their business. They get sloppy now and then, but they are fully aware of how to play the law. If you call 911 about drug dealing, they will ask you if anyone has a gun. The gun part will seal the deal for them and they will make a move. Here is my theory. Everyone’s gotta eat. There are people that have jobs and get paid and people that hustle and get paid. The cops know this. The city knows this. My experience in Brooklyn shows me that in any given neighborhood the MAJORITY rules. If the majority is Hasidic Jews, they dictate the behaviors and rules, In white neighborhoods, people sip wine on their stoops. In the Lower East Side the cops have been told not to respond to noise complaints because Bloomberg has declared it a “party zone” and it would be bad for business to tell the bars to keep the noise down. In poor and working class black neighborhoods there is a percentage of people that have to hustle to make a living. As long as that hustling is not hurting anyone, causing other crimes or drawing large numbers of complaints, then its business as usual. It keeps things status quo, people eat and no one gets hurt. Clampdown and well, what will folks do? Especially with high unemployment levels. The cops know its happening, but unless its really causing a problem to surrounding businesses and threatening people’s lives they do nothing really. They can’t, its majority rule basically. So until the majority swings the other way and people keep complaining, the 77th probably can’t do much.
— by tomgee in Drug Dealing Hotspot in Crown Heights?
“Plus the idea that any of this is different ‘by neighborhood’ (or majority population) is just ridiculous”
How is this ridiculous? There’s proof of that everywhere!
FSRQ you kind of agreed with me in your post be reiterating what I was basically saying. Any you misquoted me by saying I said the “cops dont care.” I never said that. And you reinforce what I said with your next line by saying they are restricted in what they can do, exactly. Believe me i have had experience with this problem. I know how it works. And the ideal of Majority rule in a neighborhood is completely true. I can give you thousands of examples of what goes on in one neighborhood and not in another because of who lives there. And if you ride around all the separate neighborhoods of Brooklyn you will see this clearly. Loud music parties until 5 or 6 in the morning in certain neighborhoods where in other neighborhoods they would be stopped in minutes. When I say loud, I mean with rented massive amplification. That just doesn’t happen in Carroll Gardens. Believe me I have called the police about witnessing drug-dealing, they ask me if there is a gun and to describe the scene. A cop car will respond, but not much happens. Exactly as you described. I have gone to the DA and Narcotics with photos and had a sit down with them on what was going on. They said they would ‘get back to me’. Then 6 months later asked if there was still a problem as if they were just getting to the complaint. I said yes, and they responded that they were very busy and would try to check into it. I was shocked to see this as the quote of the day. Anyway I am voicing my opinion and your disagreement to my opinion is weak in that is says the same thing with different words.
Oh, cue the violins! How will the poor downtrodden drug dealers eat? What horseshit.
To me, it looks like the 2 of you are in agreement. It’s very difficult to have an impact these issues (as opposed to major crimes), so the cops will only do it if there is a strong and somewhat unified local push for them to enforce quality of life complaints.
I think grossly overexagerated, and mostly wrong. Trying to sound real worldwise and streetwise and not succeeding.
Urban myths.
he is wrong because the police will respond to complaints of dealing, its just that unless they use undercovers, etc…. they arent going see anything except a bunch of people standing around. Even if they tossed everyone, no one is likely to be holding anything more than a bag or 2. So the cops learn quick not to (improperly) just toss everyone b/c of a 9-11 call (not worth the hassle) and short of that – the normal POs and Dets are powerless to do anything more then just drive by to get the dealers to move (for about 5min).
BUT if you call the precinct, 911 and go to the precinct community meeting and otherwise make a fuss – the NYPD will send over narcotic detectives to do buy-n-busts; which over time will help abate the problem (in that location)
long and short – its not that the ‘cops’ dont care – they are just restricted in what they can do.
Plus the idea that any of this is different “by neighborhood” (or majority population) is just ridiculous
Can you elaborate? Why is tomgee wrong?
It took us years to get a drug house closed down on a quiet residential street in the Slope even w/ actively involved neighbors.
“Very insightful”
and wrong