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  1. Her place or outside her house. Don’t want to have a public scene happen. This way she can always run and escape and not sit with me waiting for the bill or whatever lol. Public place would just be awkward and if she starts balling like Lech said, I will totally give in.

  2. Biff, you should always use a pad under an oriental. It both protects the bottom and at the same time makes it more comfortable.. And always use care with an oriental, they are easily abused by a bad Hoover job.

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