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“We were chatting on Biff’s Forum post…thinking the next party might be in March. Maybe it should be March 20 and we can have a “Sixty Days In Office” thread to discuss that day as well. Get everybody all riled up about politics and religion and some great name-calling ahead of the evening!!!!”
LOL! Then we can spend all night at the party ‘accidentally’ spilling drinks on one another! As in, ‘What was that benson…oops, I’m so sorry did I just spill red wine on you?’
I think I’ll go out and get a chicken and cook BH a nice dinner! I can’t sit here with these chowderheads all day! [Oops, I just called them a name!]
“And no, I wont give him 24 hours. He was elected months ago and all I’ve heard since the election is how great he is and will be, how smart his cabinet choices are, etc. His loyal legions of fans have been touting him for months, why should I wait to disagree?”
1. Change has to do with policy and direction
2. He appointed those he thought were best qualified- not because they were from Clinton’s administration. (Even Conservatives admired his choices for their pragmatism)
3. Change is different than throwing out the baby with the bath water
4. You’re already complaining about he will govern when in fact he was not allowed to govern or make policy or act until he was sworn in.
You and benson both seem to have already decided about his administration so there’s really not much to discuss.
Benson, you say you don’t understand how people can embrace Obama by creating this cult of personality. By which I assume, he is built up to an almost superhuman state, able to leap tall buildings and fix the world, immediately. After all, he’s been president for almost 2 hours now, and could have fixed it all before lunch, IF HE WAS ANY GOOD.
Ridiculous, of course, yet you expect him to walk on water by explaining every minutia of his plans so that you can comment on them? He’s been laying out his goals since the primaries, so his objectives certainly aren’t hidden or secret. He’s the president, not a dictator, not the Magician in Chief, for crying out loud. Most of his immense goals and plans for the nation still have to go through Congress and the Senate, and no one can prognosticate as to what changes, snags and complications are going to happen there. This is not going to be easy or fast.
No one can predict what will come up in the future, what will happen in the world, or in this country. In November, few people were thinking that Hamas and Israel would be adding more complications to his already busy agenda. Who knows what else is on the world’s agendas?
Obama constantly speaks of us being in a time where what worked before is not working then. He is wise enough to know that expertise, sometimes in the form of Clinton era experts is needed, as is the experience of someone like Gates. That does not mean there will not be new ideas, new ways of approaching things. I’d rather have experience guiding us now, rather than breaking in newbies. There will be plenty of time for the newbies to be heard, and for their voices to guide us further. Let’s get this mess started down the right track first. If I need complex surgery, I’d rather have the 20 year veteran doctor over the new resident.
Best of all is the fact that Obama listens to people, and is not surrounded by people who only tell him that he is right. He is not afraid to change his mind, or to change a policy or program if it is not working. I don’t need a punch list of his programs. I need someone who is eager to take charge and do something. Let’s let him be in office at least overnight before we expect him to work miracles. Our economy, our foreign relationships, our environment, didn’t erode overnight. It’s going to take time to fix, and I’m willing to give him the time to do it.
On a lighter note, I wonder if they briefed him on what REALLY goes on in Area 51, yet.
Thank you sincerely for the invitation, Cobblehiller, but I have a firm policy against (knowingly) meeting up with Brownstoner posters. Frankly, I can’t imagine anything more awkward and unseemly. Well, yes I can – my own posting here! A guilty pleasure to be sure. Anyway, thanks again for the invite, and I hope you land a job soon – I’ve been where you are now (unemployed) more than once, and now I’m in better shape than ever. That’s just one reason why I have lots of hope and confidence for the future – unlike many of the new jack posters here, I’ve already been around the block more than once. This too, shall pass.
We were chatting on Biff’s Forum post…thinking the next party might be in March. Maybe it should be March 20 and we can have a “Sixty Days In Office” thread to discuss that day as well. Get everybody all riled up about politics and religion and some great name-calling ahead of the evening!!!!
bxgrl, I don’t need the “limitations of the President-elect” explained to me.
Did he appoint mostly high ranking (and former Clinton presidency) Democrats? Yes. What does that have to do with a) change and b) the laws of transition and the limitations on a President elect?
“We were chatting on Biff’s Forum post…thinking the next party might be in March. Maybe it should be March 20 and we can have a “Sixty Days In Office” thread to discuss that day as well. Get everybody all riled up about politics and religion and some great name-calling ahead of the evening!!!!”
LOL! Then we can spend all night at the party ‘accidentally’ spilling drinks on one another! As in, ‘What was that benson…oops, I’m so sorry did I just spill red wine on you?’
I think I’ll go out and get a chicken and cook BH a nice dinner! I can’t sit here with these chowderheads all day! [Oops, I just called them a name!]
Cobblehiller – We’ll see. A bubble is such an ephemeral thing, I may have popped by then.
“And no, I wont give him 24 hours. He was elected months ago and all I’ve heard since the election is how great he is and will be, how smart his cabinet choices are, etc. His loyal legions of fans have been touting him for months, why should I wait to disagree?”
1. Change has to do with policy and direction
2. He appointed those he thought were best qualified- not because they were from Clinton’s administration. (Even Conservatives admired his choices for their pragmatism)
3. Change is different than throwing out the baby with the bath water
4. You’re already complaining about he will govern when in fact he was not allowed to govern or make policy or act until he was sworn in.
You and benson both seem to have already decided about his administration so there’s really not much to discuss.
Benson, you say you don’t understand how people can embrace Obama by creating this cult of personality. By which I assume, he is built up to an almost superhuman state, able to leap tall buildings and fix the world, immediately. After all, he’s been president for almost 2 hours now, and could have fixed it all before lunch, IF HE WAS ANY GOOD.
Ridiculous, of course, yet you expect him to walk on water by explaining every minutia of his plans so that you can comment on them? He’s been laying out his goals since the primaries, so his objectives certainly aren’t hidden or secret. He’s the president, not a dictator, not the Magician in Chief, for crying out loud. Most of his immense goals and plans for the nation still have to go through Congress and the Senate, and no one can prognosticate as to what changes, snags and complications are going to happen there. This is not going to be easy or fast.
No one can predict what will come up in the future, what will happen in the world, or in this country. In November, few people were thinking that Hamas and Israel would be adding more complications to his already busy agenda. Who knows what else is on the world’s agendas?
Obama constantly speaks of us being in a time where what worked before is not working then. He is wise enough to know that expertise, sometimes in the form of Clinton era experts is needed, as is the experience of someone like Gates. That does not mean there will not be new ideas, new ways of approaching things. I’d rather have experience guiding us now, rather than breaking in newbies. There will be plenty of time for the newbies to be heard, and for their voices to guide us further. Let’s get this mess started down the right track first. If I need complex surgery, I’d rather have the 20 year veteran doctor over the new resident.
Best of all is the fact that Obama listens to people, and is not surrounded by people who only tell him that he is right. He is not afraid to change his mind, or to change a policy or program if it is not working. I don’t need a punch list of his programs. I need someone who is eager to take charge and do something. Let’s let him be in office at least overnight before we expect him to work miracles. Our economy, our foreign relationships, our environment, didn’t erode overnight. It’s going to take time to fix, and I’m willing to give him the time to do it.
On a lighter note, I wonder if they briefed him on what REALLY goes on in Area 51, yet.
Live long and prosper.
he needs to drop the treasury secretary who cheats on his taxes. Should’ve dropped him like a hot potato.
Thank you sincerely for the invitation, Cobblehiller, but I have a firm policy against (knowingly) meeting up with Brownstoner posters. Frankly, I can’t imagine anything more awkward and unseemly. Well, yes I can – my own posting here! A guilty pleasure to be sure. Anyway, thanks again for the invite, and I hope you land a job soon – I’ve been where you are now (unemployed) more than once, and now I’m in better shape than ever. That’s just one reason why I have lots of hope and confidence for the future – unlike many of the new jack posters here, I’ve already been around the block more than once. This too, shall pass.
We were chatting on Biff’s Forum post…thinking the next party might be in March. Maybe it should be March 20 and we can have a “Sixty Days In Office” thread to discuss that day as well. Get everybody all riled up about politics and religion and some great name-calling ahead of the evening!!!!
bxgrl, I don’t need the “limitations of the President-elect” explained to me.
Did he appoint mostly high ranking (and former Clinton presidency) Democrats? Yes. What does that have to do with a) change and b) the laws of transition and the limitations on a President elect?
“And I’m STILL waiting for the answer to my question.”
Now stand on your head and hold your breath, thus making your incredulity infinitely more convincing.