You tell me, What. It wasn’t the white guy who got elected. do I think think have changed? In all honesty, yes. Not as much as they should have. There will always be a$$holes when it comes to race. But I also think there has beeen a seismic shift in this country and Obama is both the reason and the result.
People don’t always recognize racism for what it is- at least, most of the white people I know (ncluding family) sometimes don’t recognize how ingrained and subtle it can be. On the other hand more are willing to admit it and it is talked about more openly. Especially on Brownstoner.
I suspect the dialogue itself is even more important because a few years ago there was no real dialogue about racism. But I think even though personal racism may not have changed much, the nature of racism in this country has – and now we’ll have to wait and see how. It feels like the most divisive, most shameful institution this country or the world has ever known ironically and strangely may be what ultimately unites us.
I hope it does, What. We need it to. We all need each other- and I have to go downstairs and get tissues from the LL. Later, everyone. It’s a new day.
What a day! Will be watching and will post more thoughts later. Benson, you will have to wait and see whether or not Obama the president puts his tremendous popularity to good use. I hope he does obviously and I bet you hope he does too. Wouldn’t it be better to be wrong in this case? Thanks though for taking a tough assignment (being the Obama doubter on a board like this) without being an asshole.
Oh come on Montrose!!!! What in the world are you talking about with this statement????? Are you serious with this statement????
In one day of battle of WWII, in a single battle, Iwo Jima, we lost more men then we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan to date. Frankly, as the son of a WWII vet,I take exception to your statement.
Last I checked,the unemployment rate is on the order of something like 7.5%. In the last deep recession in 1980, the unemployment rate rose to above 10%. During the Great Depression, the unemployment rate went up to 25%.
This just reinforces the point I made above. Can folks take politics seriously, or are we just going to sit back and make myths and legends? I’m starting to feel like I’m watching “American Idol”, not a democracy in action.
benson:
For responsible financial regulation where needed
For increasing infrastructure spending
For less of the anything-goes policies
For less reliance on foreign oil, via “green” policies and alternate/clean energies
Not politicizing the justice department
Ending our ridiculous policy against birth control in aid packages
Closing Guantanamo
Ending our torture policy
Ending the Iraq war in an expedient way
Pursuing Bin Laden in Afghanistan
Stimulus package
Reaching out to Repubs among others
etc etc
These are ALL concrete steps, small and large proposed and in some cases, taken.
What more do you want? He’s not yet president, for crissakes. You sound like the people who said during even the later parts of the election “I don’t know who Obama is” and were still “undecided”. What do y’all expect, tea and sympathy with the candidate/president before you “know” who he is?
“Frankly, as the son of a WWII vet,I take exception to your statement.”
Are the sacrifices of the father visited on the son?
I guess the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis don’t count, after all, they are the Others.
Al Gore and Tipper have arrived. Mondales are there as well.
You tell me, What. It wasn’t the white guy who got elected. do I think think have changed? In all honesty, yes. Not as much as they should have. There will always be a$$holes when it comes to race. But I also think there has beeen a seismic shift in this country and Obama is both the reason and the result.
People don’t always recognize racism for what it is- at least, most of the white people I know (ncluding family) sometimes don’t recognize how ingrained and subtle it can be. On the other hand more are willing to admit it and it is talked about more openly. Especially on Brownstoner.
I suspect the dialogue itself is even more important because a few years ago there was no real dialogue about racism. But I think even though personal racism may not have changed much, the nature of racism in this country has – and now we’ll have to wait and see how. It feels like the most divisive, most shameful institution this country or the world has ever known ironically and strangely may be what ultimately unites us.
I hope it does, What. We need it to. We all need each other- and I have to go downstairs and get tissues from the LL. Later, everyone. It’s a new day.
What a day! Will be watching and will post more thoughts later. Benson, you will have to wait and see whether or not Obama the president puts his tremendous popularity to good use. I hope he does obviously and I bet you hope he does too. Wouldn’t it be better to be wrong in this case? Thanks though for taking a tough assignment (being the Obama doubter on a board like this) without being an asshole.
Benson, can you take it down a notch, please, and let those of us that are really enjoying and sitting in awe of our democracy in action take it in?
“death and destruction of Biblical proportions”
Oh come on Montrose!!!! What in the world are you talking about with this statement????? Are you serious with this statement????
In one day of battle of WWII, in a single battle, Iwo Jima, we lost more men then we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan to date. Frankly, as the son of a WWII vet,I take exception to your statement.
Last I checked,the unemployment rate is on the order of something like 7.5%. In the last deep recession in 1980, the unemployment rate rose to above 10%. During the Great Depression, the unemployment rate went up to 25%.
This just reinforces the point I made above. Can folks take politics seriously, or are we just going to sit back and make myths and legends? I’m starting to feel like I’m watching “American Idol”, not a democracy in action.
I’m still reeling from this statement.
benson:
For responsible financial regulation where needed
For increasing infrastructure spending
For less of the anything-goes policies
For less reliance on foreign oil, via “green” policies and alternate/clean energies
Not politicizing the justice department
Ending our ridiculous policy against birth control in aid packages
Closing Guantanamo
Ending our torture policy
Ending the Iraq war in an expedient way
Pursuing Bin Laden in Afghanistan
Stimulus package
Reaching out to Repubs among others
etc etc
These are ALL concrete steps, small and large proposed and in some cases, taken.
What more do you want? He’s not yet president, for crissakes. You sound like the people who said during even the later parts of the election “I don’t know who Obama is” and were still “undecided”. What do y’all expect, tea and sympathy with the candidate/president before you “know” who he is?
The Obamas, Bushes, Bidens and Cheneys have arrived.
[Michelle is wearing an Elizabeth Toldeo outfit.]
Introducing Justice Roberts and the other Justices.
They haven’t agreed on a price yet JACKASS.
Why do I continue to engage this loon?????