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  1. hey 1:23. Your absolutly right and it’s so strange to me. Yuppies sipping lattes with their kids and then turn the corner and it feels weird. I looked at a couple of apartments close to the corner of grand and clifton. It’s a really nice block but not sure about what goes on it. I was told it gets a little rowdy during the summer months and then it goes away. Yes, I have seen people hanging out during the day as well. As a whole, the neighborhood is changing so you could take your chances or not. good luck!

  2. does anyone know how the situation is on clifton place in clinton hill these days? these posts about the shootings are 3 months old, and i’m wondering if anything has happened since. i just looked at a few apartments nearby and an apartment on clifton between grand and classon that i love, but the block itself made me nervous. yuppies with strollers sitting feet away drinking coffees, and then literally turn the corner and two dudes beating the crap out of each other on the street. alot of groups of young guys just hanging out in the middle of the day. not sure if this was all bad timing or a regular occurrence. would love any feedback, thanks a million!

  3. A comment about Society Cleaners. Who knows what proof there is with their involvement in anything. I agree with 9/21 post that what does happen is that it looks like a damn drug front. There is seldom anyone there during business hours. If you take laundry there, you wait forever for someone to answer the door. When someone does answer the door, there are suddenly a whole bunch of people gathered around the street.

    I think the noise complaint is valid also. I have heard loud loud noise coming out of that building for hours and hours. I don’t even know if it is the same people. Maybe just transients who pay rent. And the police definitely have been called. Its either that building or the one beside of it. It is horrible.

  4. A comment about Society Cleaners. Who knows what proof there is with their involvement in anything. I agree with 9/21 post that what does happen is that it looks like a damn drug front. There is seldom anyone there during business hours. If you take laundry there, you wait forever for someone to answer the door. When someone does answer the door, there are suddenly a whole bunch of people gathered around the street.

    I think the noise complaint is valid also. I have heard loud loud noise coming out of that building for hours and hours. I don’t even know if it is the same people. Maybe just transients who pay rent. And the police definitely have been called. Its either that building or the one beside of it. It is horrible.

  5. What does that mean that they are part of the action? As in illicit action? This is good info to know. We can band together to register complaints and have the police held to higher accountability. My thoughts are that when there is a complaint about the place, then contact city officials about whether the complaint is rectified or not.

  6. WOW. It is crazy that the police will not release a sketch or photo of the individual. Does anyone else think there’s a matter of public safety issue here? A “Psycho” who may still be in the area? My god, It would be nice to know when to get the hell out of the way.

    Regarding 9:39’s post (two posts ago), I had mentioned contacting Councilwoman James and asked about other thoughts of whom to contact. I had already contacted and planned a meeting with Councilwoman James. I’m assuming your comments were addressed at others’ suggestions for media contact. As an aside, I do feel like councilpersons’ involvement is more likely to cause change and action in the police department than media. In the end, the police don’t answer to the media, they answer to the people who supervise their supervisors. Media coverage might also simply make our neighborhood look worse than I think it really is, but that is only my opinion.

    However, I had no idea some of these problems were ongoing with the police. I have called many times when what sounded like an 80’s garage band with no skill was practicing the same song (or the few bars they could play) over and over and over again, while the police do nothing for hours. This wasn’t a little bit of loud music, it was like an air-raid amplifier was pointed into the heavens.

    Also, these sketchy microcosms should be identified and communicated. For instance, all of Clifton Pl isn’t bad. And, it’s not just Clifton, for example it’s that Society Cleaners building across from Clifton. (Dare I say what the hell is that questionable business doing??? Ever go in to drop off laundry? No one is there, and then all the hang-outs on the street come in to see why you are in there. Wow.)

    I agree with 9:39 that we all have to TAKE ACTION. Call the police with noise complaints. Follow up when they don’t respond (as I have done). Do it again. I have NO idea whether there is corruption going on, but there is always accountability. That’s why I was suggesting Councilwoman James or Mayor Bloomberg. Any official who has a duty to respond to you and the power to effect change. I don’t know if the police give a damn about what the media says, but they sure give a damn about the accountability placed on themselves and their higher-ups.

    NOW: TO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALL TAKE ACTION–HERE IS INFO:
    Councilwoman Letitia James
    Letty7627@aol.com
    718-260-9191

    Peace to all.

  7. WOW. It is crazy that the police will not release a sketch or photo of the individual. Does anyone else think there’s a matter of public safety issue here? A “Psycho” who may still be in the area? My god, It would be nice to know when to get the hell out of the way.

    Regarding 9:39’s post (two posts ago), I had mentioned contacting Councilwoman James and asked about other thoughts of whom to contact. I had already contacted and planned a meeting with Councilwoman James. I’m assuming your comments were addressed at others’ suggestions for media contact. As an aside, I do feel like councilpersons’ involvement is more likely to cause change and action in the police department than media. In the end, the police don’t answer to the media, they answer to the people who supervise their supervisors. Media coverage might also simply make our neighborhood look worse than I think it really is, but that is only my opinion.

    However, I had no idea some of these problems were ongoing with the police. I have called many times when what sounded like an 80’s garage band with no skill was practicing the same song (or the few bars they could play) over and over and over again, while the police do nothing for hours. This wasn’t a little bit of loud music, it was like an air-raid amplifier was pointed into the heavens.

    Also, these sketchy microcosms should be identified and communicated. For instance, all of Clifton Pl isn’t bad. And, it’s not just Clifton, for example it’s that Society Cleaners building across from Clifton. (Dare I say what the hell is that questionable business doing??? Ever go in to drop off laundry? No one is there, and then all the hang-outs on the street come in to see why you are in there. Wow.)

    I agree with 9:39 that we all have to TAKE ACTION. Call the police with noise complaints. Follow up when they don’t respond (as I have done). Do it again. I have NO idea whether there is corruption going on, but there is always accountability. That’s why I was suggesting Councilwoman James or Mayor Bloomberg. Any official who has a duty to respond to you and the power to effect change. I don’t know if the police give a damn about what the media says, but they sure give a damn about the accountability placed on themselves and their higher-ups.

    NOW: TO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALL TAKE ACTION–HERE IS INFO:
    Councilwoman Letitia James
    Letty7627@aol.com
    718-260-9191

    Peace to all.

  8. US Marshals will sieze buildings of drug dealers, just like they siezed the one on the corner of Myrtle and Washington years ago. Get the feds involved if the local police refuse to act.

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