Crown Heights Group Still Doesn't Want Homeless Center
Crown Heights residents continue to fight the mayor’s plan to move the intake center for homeless men from Manhattan to the Bedford-Atlantic Armory. Crown Heights Revitalization Movement (CHRM, pronounced “charm”) organizer Rachel Pratt said in an email about their planned June 1 rally, “At this point, we believe that we will be joined by Borough…
Crown Heights residents continue to fight the mayor’s plan to move the intake center for homeless men from Manhattan to the Bedford-Atlantic Armory. Crown Heights Revitalization Movement (CHRM, pronounced “charm”) organizer Rachel Pratt said in an email about their planned June 1 rally, “At this point, we believe that we will be joined by Borough President Marty Markowitz, City Council Member Letitia James, NYS Assemblymen Karim Camara and Hakeem Jeffries, and NYS Senator Eric Adams.” The massive armory at Bedford and Atlantic Avenue is already a temporary shelter that sleeps 350 homeless single men, and is known as among the worst in the system. In private, local residents told us they’re already overwhelmed by the crowds of homeless men who regularly congregate on the sidewalks surrounding the shelter, especially in the early mornings when the building is evacuated for cleaning. “I’m not exactly sending my kids out to play on the street,” said one. The community district has six times the average residential social services beds at 116 per 100 acres, the highest in the borough.
CHRM’s website also voices concerns about increased street homelessness (60 percent of the city’s homeless live in Manhattan, not exactly a quick jaunt to Crown Heights), more bus traffic and worse conditions for the homeless. A source close to the mayor’s office told us the goal is to make the intake center more difficult to reach so fewer men would turn to the shelter system, in hopes that they would instead stay with friends or family. The source said the city’s most at-risk homeless population tends to avoid shelters, and the mayor would rather use the money spent on shelters for permanent housing. We were told each bed cost $35,000 annually. But Patrick Markee of the Coalition for the Homeless told us the annual cost of shelter for a single homeless adult is $18,000, and $33,000 for a family. “Last year when the City closed a large shelter for homeless men NONE of the savings was re-directed to permanent housing for homeless individuals.”
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1:44, I don’t know what your problem is, but I’m not playing anymore. I have stated my reasons for opposing the Armory, and my positions on the homeless in my community, ad nauseum. What I don’t understand, is your inability to accept my position as valid for me (and many, many others)without bitter sarcasm and condescending put downs. That is not debating a point, it’s just being nasty.
I’ve told you I did not make that comment about going to hell. I’m sure the troll that did is rolling around on the floor in glee over the trouble he/she caused by it, but I’m not going to further waste my beautiful Saturday by trying to prove otherwise, as I cannot.
It obviously wouldn’t matter to you anyway, as you have taken it upon yourself to make this personal and irrational. For some reason, your problem with the Armory is with me, not the supporters of the rally, not with CHRM, not with local politicians, just me, an anonymous poster on a Brooklyn real estate blog. That’s what’s pathetic. Apparently I piss you off just walking into the room. Well, I can’t do anything about that, so let’s just stop this now. You don’t like me, fine.
An intake center for the homeless of Manhattan in Crown Heights is a bad idea, and I plan on opposing it, as is my right, whether you agree or not. Have a nice day.
Montrose Morris
“Ah, no, 6:43, etc, etc,I did not write “go to hell”.
Uh huh. Sure you didn’t. If you can’t be accountable for your own words, don’t post.
“What’s pathetic, to use your own wording, is your inability to comprehend that I can be opposed to the Armory becoming Manhattan’s intake center for the homeless, because we are already oversaturated, end of story.”
That’s what all the NIMBYs say.
“Since no one can predict what will happen in life, I see no reason to put a codicil on every remark I make”
Apparently you see no reason to tell the truth, either.
“I also am under no obligation to provide you or the city with alternative locations for a shelter.”
Ah, but you already have. “Anywhere but my neighborhood.”
“Why is it that any position contrary to what you think is required to submit a full blown dissertation of alternatives, suggestions, or solutions? I don’t see any from you.”
Okay. Here’s one: Let’s go with the mayor’s plan. It sounds great.
“I only see snarky remarks mocking my suggestion that training programs for the homeless are needed to help bring at least some of them back into tax paying, productive society. I said nothing about the mayor forbidding teaching skills.”
No one said you did.
“Do not put words into my mouth.”
I’m certain I’d do a much better job of it than you.
“If you have any suggestions as to helping the homeless become the ex-homeless, I’d love to hear them. If not, then kindly keep the sarcasm to yourself.”
Like I said: Pathetic.
Ah, no, 6:43, etc, etc,I did not write “go to hell”. That is not my style, and anyone who ever reads my posts will know that I would sooner ask you to descend into the nether Hadean depths, rather than simply tell you to go to hell.
What’s pathetic, to use your own wording, is your inability to comprehend that I can be opposed to the Armory becoming Manhattan’s intake center for the homeless, because we are already oversaturated, end of story. I’ve stated it enough times, and given lengthy reasons why, and more importantly, I’m not alone, as is evidenced by the growing organized opposition to it, which I did not start, and have no ties to, other than being in agreement with their position. This is not NIMBYism, it’s us putting our foot down, as Bxgrl says. I have no problem with a shelter there, per se, and I’ve stated that many times too.
You are free to disbelieve my comments on my property values, just as I am free to disbelieve anything you say. I still say the same, I plan on being in my home for many years to come. Since no one can predict what will happen in life, I see no reason to put a codicil on every remark I make, as in “I’m staying in my home for years, unless I unexpectedly have to move, in which case I will suddenly be hyper aware of my property values, and will base my entire world view with regards as to how anything I do, or anything that happens, will affect that value.” If that doesn’t do it for you, too bad.
I also am under no obligation to provide you or the city with alternative locations for a shelter. Why is it that any position contrary to what you think is required to submit a full blown dissertation of alternatives, suggestions, or solutions? I don’t see any from you. I only see snarky remarks mocking my suggestion that training programs for the homeless are needed to help bring at least some of them back into tax paying, productive society. I said nothing about the mayor forbidding teaching skills. Do not put words into my mouth. If you have any suggestions as to helping the homeless become the ex-homeless, I’d love to hear them. If not, then kindly keep the sarcasm to yourself.
Montrose Morris
kinda touchy aren’t you? Well, I guess anyone who is so lacking in anything of merit to say would have to resort to insults and accusations as you do. All of us are entitled to opinions but as I said, you’re free to move next to the Armory when they add all those extra beds and put your money where your mouth is.
What is “believable” for you is of absolutely no concern to me. You’re obviously a lightweight who is ill-equipped to read this blog. And that post was from M.M. Don’t act stupid with this “someone else said this under my name” claptrap. This is just a convenient excuse when someone has said something that they later regret. Pathetic.
You misinterpret and I am sure the go to hell response is not from MM- I have never seen MM post like that, although the troll certainly has, using MM’s name. I think MM was simply saying that they’re (her, his, it…whatever)attachment to the neighborhood is not based on the property values, but on neighborhood values. I find MM’s statement far more believable than ” I was opposed to the mayor’s plan, but some of the CH posters here are convincing me that it has merit.” 🙂
Bxgrl, he said “Propping up my property values is not my concern, as I plan on staying here for the long haul, good or bad, so no game there.” How much clearer can it be? That I interpreted him correctly is further evidenced by his childish “Go to hell” response. Guess I hit a nerve 🙂
And I live not too far from the Armory, thank you very much.
4:55- is there some reason you seem unable to read what MM actually writes? Do you deliberately misconstrue everything?
Montrose isn’t saying she/he has no concern for his property value- but that concern over the shelter is a community and neighborhood concern. It has nothing to do with nimbyism since that is really a Manhattan issue. And has been stated a number of time, Crown Heights is over saturated already. This is simply the community putting its foot down and standing up for itself. If you think that has no merit, you’re free to move next door to the armory after they add the men from Manhattan.
bxgrl
Biff @3:31, why would you attribute all of these quips to a single poster…unless you know something we don’t. And if you have some idea who this poster is, why not expose him right here and now?