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While there was lots of interesting information about some of the more upscale developments in the borough at yesterday’s quarterly luncheon for real estate bigwigs at the Brooklyn Historical Society, we were most struck by a comment made in passing about the future of the Ingersoll and Whitman Houses, the massive housing projects between Park and Myrtle in Fort Greene. There have been rumors for a few years about the low-income residents being pushed out to clear the way for conversion of the buildings into co-ops. (Check out the comment from March 22, 2006, 4:53 p.m. here). In a Q&A segment at yesterday’s luncheon, Ron Hershco of United Homes, which is developing the Oro and another adjacent 40-story tower on Gold and Tech Place (so he’s incentivized both to have done his homework on the matter and to be perpetuating rumors that would benefit his properties, take your pick), said that it was his understanding that the Ingersoll/Whitman Houses were now 60 percent vacant and were going to be converted to middle-income housing (see Hershco’s statement this morning at the bottom of the post). That’s the first time we’ve heard anyone say anything like that in a public setting. Another source with close ties to politicians and developers offered a less sinister explanation of what he thought was going on: He suspects that there’s no such explicit policy in place but that, given the increased popularity of the area and the increased scrutiny that affordable housing applicants are now put under, there is bound to be a noticeable change in the composition of the new residents that move in post-renovation, i.e. more law-abiding and higher-earning people.

While the New York City Housing Authority has certainly never publicly declared (as far as we know) any intentions to ratchet up the income profile of residents, the $100 million renovation it is undertaking has resulted in the displacement of many long-time residents as the apartments are upgraded and, in some cases, combined. The NYCHA website describes the capital improvement plan:

The Walt Whitman and Raymond V. Ingersoll Houses in Ft. Greene in Brooklyn will undergo major renovations to bring apartments to current standards and to ensure that units are in optimum condition for future generations. NYCHA is investing more than $100 million on comprehensive improvements including bringing elevator service to every floor, enlarging apartments, creating separate and/or upgraded kitchen areas in every apartment, and upgrading the heating and electrical systems in all buildings.

The upgrade is long overdue, as the buildings have been out of compliance with the buildings code ever since they were transferred by the U.S. Navy to the city. Did you catch that? The city has been running the complex for decades under conditions that it would never allow a private owner to. The shortcomings include everything from a lack of real kitchens in some units to insufficient light and air levels.

Here’s the next interesting part of the story: Who did the city turn to to design the $100 million renovation project? None other than Robert Scarano. Here’s what the embattled architect says about the project on his website along with a rendering of his plan:

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Our investigation of the existing buildings reveals that the twenty-seven (27) six-story buildings will only require a cosmetic renovation of the existing facilities. However, the eight (8) high-rise buildings will require a more substantial renovation, which will result in the net loss of as many as 75 units in those buildings. In order to compensate for this loss of apartments, a vertical expansion of all existing buildings is proposed as outlined in the Design Proposal. A summary structural analysis revealed that the 6-story and 13-story buildings would be capable of supporting only one more floor each. The 11-story buildings will support two more floors. These additional floors will be constructed from lightweight steel framing and have a stucco exterior finish. Pitched roofs are proposed because the New York City Building Code does not require roof access in buildings that have a roof pitch of 20° or more. So, for the 31 buildings that will have only one additional floor, the existing stairs to the current roof may be used without alteration. Furthermore, a pitched metal roof has a significantly longer and less maintenance intensive lifespan than low slope roof systems.

Obviously the city hired Scarano before he became the poster-child for building abuses but we’re unaware of any steps it has taken to distance itself since his recent record has come to light. Does anyone know if he is still the architect on the project? More importantly, what is happening to the people who are getting forced out of their apartments? Where are they getting relocated to?

Update: Here’s some more info from a 2005 article in City Limits:

The 1,526 families whose apartments are slated for overhaul were given three options: They could move to other apartments in their developments, move to other NYCHA complexes, or leave public housing entirely. The Housing Authority set up an onsite Relocation Assistance Unit and offers grants to cover moving expenses. Many tenants, however, still describe the process as chaotic and disruptive.

The article also notes that the relocations began as far back as 2003.

Another Update: We just received the following statement from Ron Hershco’s attorney. “Ron answered the question based on what he had been told by Bob Scarano a couple of years ago. He has no current information regarding the Housing Authority’s plan. We apologize for any confusion.”

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  1. I grew up in The Ingersoll Houses as a Child I’m 55y.y. & I must say sorry to say it, But something had to Happen there for the face of the Project changed there Decades ago,. I just hope & Pray that residents on Fixed incomes are not going to become the new face of Homelessness in N.Y.C. Thanks to privitazation or whatever they are going to call it…
    The Ingersoll Houses was a very respectable project with respectable people of various races & cultures as well as Jobs…
    Back in the Day Nurses, Teachers, & residents of many different job titles resided there, even Police Officers such as P.B.U.H. Officer Bolden, IMPORTANT Please Post! Who was gunned Down in the Bar at Flatbush Ave Ext. In 1971 To this day the Killer Is Free & there Is A Large Reward for any info that that case…
    I am happy that Ingersoll Houses is getting a face lift but I hope it does not cost many people with Fixed income as myself Homelessness.
    A concerned Project Citizen…

    P.S. Do you all think this will Be completed By Dec 21, 2012

  2. I didn’t read the comments so maybe someone said this already. The elevators in the small buildings don’t go up to the top floor. They are making space on the roof so the elevator hardware can go there instead in the top floor elevator shaft space.

  3. I live across the street and have been to a meeting to show support for changing that section of Carlton Ave back to a one way street (it was suddenly made two way overnight by the DOT to many block residents dismay and surprise).

    I learned there are over 500 people/apts currently vacant at Walt Whitman/Ingersoll due to ongoing “renovations” –which will certainly add to parking woes when they return.

    I can tell you right now that you are looking at a Brooklyn version of a “A Park Runs Through It” in a short time–probably right around the time Ratner gets his way with Atlantic Yards.

  4. Tish James spoke at a meeting last year and said these continued rumors are really just that. There has been a longstanding problem with the length of time it takes for NYCHA to renovate apartments in their buildings. So they drag that out forever and the apts. remain vacant while the work is endlessly going on. But this is a constant with NYCHA renovations and a sign of a big, inept government agency that doesn’t have the ability/concern to speed things up to help the people they are supposed to help. My guess is that these never ending rumors are just the sad byproducts of a stressed out population that has no control of their future really. And so when you hear these rumors think about how desperate these people really are for affordable housing and how scary this crazy real estate market must be to people who really are living in poverty…not just freaking out because they didn’t buy before FG was “hot.”

  5. The bad or sad thing of Brownstoner throwing out these unsubstantiated info is that this item got picked up by several other blogs… and think of now how many more people out there will repeat and believe it to be true.

  6. A reliable source am I…

    The Brooklyn Bridge is for sale;
    there are full grown gators in the sewers;
    Barbra Streisand is buying a townhouse in Brooklyn Heights; and
    Whitman and Ingersol are going private.

    I invite more Brooklyn legends.

  7. Whitman/Ingersoll were built to house Navy Yard workers and their families-they were not mean to be housing stock for the poor. My grandparents, aunts and uncles all had apts. on Navy Walk in the early 1950s and they weren’t bad apts. The deterioration of those buildings have a lot more to do with social policy than the type of buildings there were designed to be.

  8. 1) Stuyvesant Town
    2) Peter Cooper Village
    3) Clinton Hill Co-Ops on Clinton Avenue

    Um. None of these was built as projects. Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village were built as middle income apartments, and the Navy Yard houses – ie, the Clinton Hill Co-ops – were built as officer’s housing for the Navy Yard (thus the dolphins and so forth decorating the entries).

    While these HAVE been privatized, none of these were public housing, which is what I assume you mean when you call them “projects”.

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