Politicians Can't Back Sell-The-Projects Idea

And you thought I was wordy….

Benson, I have no problem debating until the cows come home. I don’t agree with much that you say, but I respect that you say it without resorting to name calling, and you present your ideas in a coherent manner.

BUT….I take exception to the class and race card comment. I have NEVER mentioned race once in this discussion, there was no need. I fully admit to bringing up class numerous times because I truly believe that the needs of the haves vs the have nots, the class struggle, will be the great divide in this city, not race. Race and class are often instrinsically interwoven, but when it comes down to it, money always thinks it is right, and has the right to do whatever it wants, its only color is green.

“Race” is not the issue. We are all blessed to have life granted unconditionally through the love of God. Racism, economic oppression of a group based on its race is a matter of fact the largest issue. No one group or race escapes this life with out living it and the trials and tribulations that are more times than not society-based (murder, pedophilia, rape, various illnesses, etc). That is our Creator – the Lord God has blessed all living beings with all that we need, what we “lack” can be easily subsided through the grace of another living being. GOD IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!!

Note: Working together we have accomplished much, cures for major illnesses,etc – however I don’t want to go touting our horn too much since we do have such very a long way to go.

Institutionalized Racism/ Racism is a whole other beast subsidized, fostered, and nurtured by society/ man. That is utilizing institutions to oppress/depress a group based on their undeniable and indistinguishable character of race.(poor quality schools, inferior education/information, corrupt and unjust criminal justice system such as policies & procedures (stalking black neighborhoods looking for “criminals” and not whites – apprx 70% of drug use amongst whites), inadequate & unequal gov’t practices and polices, etc). Institutional Racism allows all groups who are not being oppress to flourish on the backs of the oppressed (slavery/ jim crow laws, not interrupted until 1964-5 Civil Rights Act). Basically, denying a group to compete while others expand (locking up and killing a bulk of the men of color while -judges/lawyers/politicians, and many of the other johnny whitelayman and their children compete so superficially amongst one another – CorRRNNYYY)

Now I probably wouldn’t balk about much of the ignorance and disgustingness that is spewed on this site if that up until this day those who are cited as the problem were not being oppressed and who many others in this society have thrived on the backs of(literally; building up their broods while denying others rights and opportunities to also build,welfare was not instituted for blacks – whites were primarily the original recipients and would annihilate (kill,riots) blacks when they tried to obtain benefits – truly research the history,70’s were an economic period where many across the board struggled financially throughout the country,….. ). Note: Personally, I am so disgusted by this creepiness – I’m nearly losing focus, however, I trust and believe in God (true higher power) and attempt at all points to show grace. As I know God had the First Word and Will Have the Last.(and, sometimes I question is it grace or stupidity, since my ancestors were also Righteous and Beautifully Gracious, yet that true inferior group representative of “whites” have thrived; viciously oppressing now as was done then – but I respect that we still stand in Grace in spite of). I also know that no one has a monopoly on stupidity and ignorance, that it is a matter of choice. And, that just as I try to live in Grace I could truly run with the best of the devils and Evil Mongers. However, through God’s Grace I hope to encourage, enlighten and uplift consciousness so that we can all thrive in God’s Grace. Not withstanding, if we continue in this negative, uninspiring and crippling vein it is and will be to no one’s advantage. Again: Bashing Heads and acting like fools we all can and it is a blessing that many of us respect ourselves enough that the majority do not behave in this fashion. The majority not representative of any one group. However, another racist concept that must be disbanded. Whites are NOT the MAJORITY in America or the overall World. Miseducation/ the fallacy of education particularly in this society is startling. (Italy and Spain were ruled by Moors/ Blacks for more than 700 years (by 1721 Spain had 21 caste systems primarily based on the variations in skin color/race mixing. America initially was not welcoming to the original Italian settlers, Jews (originally Ethiopians), Irish, Turks based on their association with africans. OH, OH. Look, we can go on. Bottom line: Nethandral remains have only been found in Europe and Asia. They’re many great and prolific African societies that pre-dated all others throughout the world (Timbuktu, Ghana, Zimbabwe, etc). Stoneheads and other artifacts have been discovered in the Americas mirroring Black Africans and dating back thousands of years, pre-dating slavery. North Africa up until most recently was the home of Black Africans (original Egyptians). And, do note the recent uncovered remains of King Tut. All Life began in Africa. Africans carry Dominate Genetic traits. Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes are Recessive Genes – diseased/inferior.) However, we are all here now!!!! And, “Everybody’s got to live together…..”

Many who are so proud of their financial acquisitions and tout them have obtained such through Racism (Native Americans/African oppression). A social agenda which has undeniably reduce the essence and being of great people. All the wealth fostered through recent NYC real estate acquisitions done so through exotic mortgage products that were otherwise unavailable to the vast majority prior (redlining,steering even recently into subprime products, etc). Wealth and great employment opportunities made available to most just because they carried the same skin. Without having to connect the dots from a-z; bottom line using others for a service without their will and not compensating them EEEVVVEERRR!!!!!!!!(no 40 acres and a mule or otherwise, Quotas benefitting white women more than any other, and Africans in Africa living and being treated less than human beings or citizens and the wealth and land in most hands that do not resemble African/ Black People, Diamonds and artifacts in the museums across the world with owner’s names that are not Africans – yet many of the people in the homeland struggling to survive, and oil & natural resources of wealth not in their control, Hell – Venus’ remains was just allowed to be returned home to South Africa apprx 1 1/2 yr ago) Incomprehensible, Reprehensible….. (nothing to hold your head up for, money doesn’t necessarily comfort – people do – And to destroy the very concept of one’s being provoking a form of mental illness and then gloat). Many probably should be glad that a few can be complacent and distracted by a “IPOD and expensive sneakers” to say the least). Again: “Losing Focus.” You know what this SHIT hurts. Not so much what you do now, since I’m not my Ancestors – Do Or Die – Yes, You’ve come too the right HOOD. That is why the person I am today, was not around then. Oh, it hurts watching babies and our men folks gunned down savagely by who evers decides to take aim. However, I do Know that this will and can not continue as business as usual. I also know the ignorance and miseducation that proliferates throughout our society are utilized by the oppressor as red herrings. And, I would hope that we could respect ourselves and one another to make the world a better place for us all.

***Another Note: Original europeans settlers/pioneers in America were the “The Dregs of European society” and initially housed in its reformatories and Prisons representative of Prostitutes, murderers, thieves, etc. Basically the oppressed of Europe. Respect/ Self-Respect is the key. And, note many who believe and are being used as the gentrifiers of the “Hood” are only transients. Ultimately, you will recognize your real value in all this and it will truly be below the scale.

Montrose and 9.23 AM;

Keep trying to play the race and class card – but it won’t work any more. You can try to shuffle as much as you want around simple facts like that NY spends more on medicaid then our two most populous states COMBINED, but folks see through it. We see through your attempts to play the race and class card.

As I told you on a previous board: your attempts to defend these projects is very much akin to those who tried to defend the old welfare system. The pathology of that system was as plain as day to anyone with a modicum of common sense, yet there were those who were so invested in it, they refused to concede that there was anything wrong with them.

Like the welfare scenario, your refusal to talk common sense about the projects,and at the same time play the emotional race and class card, means that you won’t be taken seriously when it comes time to do something about these projects. And that day is coming soon. Some of these projects are 80 years old and will require major capital to upgrade. Moreover, the NYCHA is running an operating deficit that neither the city, the state nor the federal government will pay.

Kiss ’em goodbye!!

Benson

11:10 the needy rarely wander the streets like Dawn of the Dead, but they are still very much with us. Just because someone is off the street by rooming with a cousin’s family, doesn’t mean they doing well, or are without serious needs. We aren’t generally talking about single people here, either – we are talking families. Children, babies, old people, pregnant women, men and women in overcrowded apartments. As I have said before, most middle and upper class people have no idea of what real poverty is, or how the poor live. Absolutely no clue.

Of course, people like 12:47 come up with genius remarks like “why don’t you move” – always a favorite. Hello, aside from reasoning why in the first place – they are poor and CAN’T afford to move. Moving requires money – money to get a new place, money to hire a mover (not likely) or money to get a U-Haul and a couple of friends. And where are they going? Poor people can’t just take the weekend and go house hunting in the country, perhaps staying at a B&B and attending antique auctions on the side. Moving out of the city, or even across the borough is an expensive, time consuming, difficult task for anyone. Let’s add poverty to the mix. Add looking for work. “Why don’t they move?” You are absolutely and totally clueless.

Birth control is a classic red herring, and the comment about learning how to survive is going towards people who have mastered the art of survival.

If we spend more on Medicaid here than elsewhere, perhaps it’s not because poor people are making off with bandaids and perscription drugs, but because they end up in emergency rooms, after putting off life saving doctor visits that they can’t afford, or because there are too many greedy caregivers and agencies scamming the system for enormous amounts of money, or perhaps because everything costs more here than in Texas. Your “facts” are too broad and specious, with no underlying reasonings or cause and effect relationships. A plus B only equals C across the board, if the playing field is equal. Toss in countless vaiables, as we have here, and your examples are toast.

Finally, your examples of cleaning up the crimes of the corporate sector is laughable. They were only the well publicized cases that made the headlines. Corporate greed and crime goes well beyond arresting and jailing even the boys at Enron. The biggest crooks are still out there, and still operating. Give me a call when they slap the cuffs and do a perp walk on Dick Cheney, and all of the oil and defense bandits. I also don’t consider Martha Stewart in the same light, but that’s another story.