Condo Filings Down But Definitely Not Out
While there appears to be an overall downward trend in co-op and condo offering plans filed with the state, production still remains relatively high here despite worsening market conditions. Offering plans are required to sell condos or co-ops, including in a conversion. According to information provided by the Attorney General’s office, since 2004 Brooklyn developers…

While there appears to be an overall downward trend in co-op and condo offering plans filed with the state, production still remains relatively high here despite worsening market conditions. Offering plans are required to sell condos or co-ops, including in a conversion. According to information provided by the Attorney General’s office, since 2004 Brooklyn developers have filed 1,393 offering plans for 28,499 units. Since the start of the year until mid-May, 28 offering plans for 1,771 units were filed. We asked a few developers what they think about the numbers. They predicted production would soon plummet as developers hesitate to add more condos or co-ops to an already saturated market, especially in places where it’s uncertain if prices will hold. Also, they said recent numbers are likely higher than they would be without the new 421-a law, which after June 30 requires developers to include affordable housing within their buildings to receive tax exemptions. While an offering plan is not required to receive 421-a benefits, some developers do their paperwork all at once (most file during construction) and are racing to get everything in before that deadline, said Justin Stern, principal of Manatus Development Group. From the figures above it’s apparent Manhattan has already experienced its prime this market cycle, but recent figures are still higher than in Brooklyn: Since the start of the year, 57 plans for 2,403 units in Manhattan were filed. Hear more from developers after the jump…
The developers we spoke to all had basically the same assessment of the numbers, and 421-a, not a favorite among the bunch, figured prominently. Marshall Sohne, developer of a number of projects along Columbia Street, said the tax exemption is more likely to weigh heavily on Brooklyn market-rate buyers than those in Manhattan. Despite being upper or upper-middle class, Sohne said those buyers still watch their finances closely. Condos coming on the market without the tax exemption would have a much tougher time competing with the tens of thousands that do, a significant portion of which would still be sharing the market with taxed units. He also thinks developers will choose to hold off on projects rather than go rental. “The yeilds from the rentals are usually much lower than for a condominium,” not making the project worth the effort in many places, he said. Justin Stern, principal of Manatus Development Group, which has worked on inclusionary housing projects like 15 Quincy Street and 91 Carlton Avenue, agreed. He added, “The reasons for less apps are definitely related to the downturn in market conditions and lenders’ hesitence/ unwillingness to finance for-sale product … This is, and I expect will continue to be, a very difficult time of change, the likes of which NYC has not seen in the past 15-plus years.”
421-a Revamp: A Lose-Lose Proposition? [Brownstoner]
Developer of Affordable Housing Faces New Challenge [NY Times]
uhh, correction.
that last line should read..
when truth and reason, logic and statistics take a back seat to REALITY what are we left with but a bunch of cackling monkeys jumping up and down in usison at the amusing images on the screen.
Bravo.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end….
Rally on, Asshats!
uhh, correction.
that last line should read..
when truth and reason, logic and statistics take a back seat to rantings-as-spectacle what are we left with but a bunch of cackling monkeys jumping up and down in usison at the amusing images on the screen.
Bravo.
Legion.
Consumer spending up.
Dow Jones up.
Unemployment low.
Unemployment claims down.
GDP up.
Oh but, some companies are laying off people and some companies are losing money (as they always do) so the entire economy must be doomed.
Let’s just ignore the last 300 years of Cartesian logic altogether and the entire scientific method based on mathematics.
Let’s instead focus on the few negative or anecdotal instances culled from the internet that might support our arguments, no matter how disparate or non topical. Let’s then string these together and posit them as truth.
Does anybody else see the Orwellian parallels here? When truth and reason take a back seat to logic and statistics what are we left with but a bunch of cackling monkeys jumping up and down in unison at the amusing images on the screen.
Bravo.
yeah, that’s the ticket,
encourage a moron…
guess what that makes you folks?
agreed, 4:30- I laughed at that one!
Thanks What.
“I’m arguing with Anons from the planet Stupidtron, I feel like Dr. Who!”
BEST WHAT LINE EVER!!!!
3:02 – it used to be only two states. it is actually 6 now (FL, CA, AZ, GA, OH, MI). Add TX, UT, and the Carolinas to the list soon. That may be a small number of states, but those cover a very outsized portion of the US population. i want some of what you guys are smoking (it’s probably fear b/c i get the sense that 90% of the posters here are listless brokers). i work in finance, specifically banks, so don’t tell me i don’t know what i’m talking about. this is only getting worse from here. i pulled the MBA data by region and the acceleration in the deterioration is shocking. nothing peachy going on, anywhere (i will give you that the northeast is relatively better than the rest – for now). oh, and lehman’s not over, but you knew that right…
“UHHH….What…you left out the most important part of that article!!!
“89% of these loan delinquencies occurred in just four states…Florida, Arizona, California and Nevada”
I’d say that’s a pretty important statement you left off there…”
Hey Asshat, I pointed it out here…
” The increase in the overall delinquency rate was driven by increases in the number of loans 60 and 90 or more days past due, primarily in California and Florida. The 30 day delinquency percentage is still below levels seen as recently as 2002.”
No, that doesn’t have anything to do with the New York market! It’s different here, What! People from Europe is buying Real Estate and Asshats are driving demand!”
So you “Think” that the foreclosures from other states won’t affect NYC?! Okie Dookie! Rally on!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end….
BTW You Asshats better hope I’m wrong…
looks like this whatchamacallit is falling flat.
still harping on doom and gloom.
Despite the actual facts.
What
a
loser.