remote thermostat sensor

Looking for a remote thermostat to install in the tenant’s apartment to monitor the heat. House is a two family, with tenants living on the top floor. We have a single thermostat controlled by the Nest. Where we are usually comfortable @ 70-72 degrees, the tenants often complain the apt. is cold. New windows (Marvin) were installed over the summer, so we are not sure if they are “cold”, it just isn’t hot enough for them. We do not mind turning up the heat, but want to make sure it’s reasonable. If there is a thermostat upstairs, we will be able to know the actual temp. Is there a thermostat which can be monitored remotely? Thanks

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brokelin | 10 years and 8 months ago

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Every top floor apartment in a brownstone I’ve lived in has been far colder in winter. While the stairway may act as a chimney and draw heat up IN A HOUSE, where the top floors are actual apartments, with doors separating them from the stairway, the heat doesn’t actually enter the apartments, it goes out the skylight over the stairs. Even in one house I lived in, where the upper two floors were rented as an “apartment” though there were no doors dividing the apartment from the parlor floor of the brownstone (which formed a duplex with the garden floor for the owner), the top floor rear rooms were 10-15 degrees colder. In a coop I lived in, the thermostat for the 4 units was in the second floor unit in the center (my unit) – we found the top floor was always cold – until we learned the heat would cycle on to heat the first two floors, and then cycle off long before the upstairs got warm. We needed to set the thermostat higher than the first two floors otherwise needed to allow the top floor to get somewhat warm. Don’t assume it is your tenants wanting too much heat – MOST tenants are reasonable.

boredatwork | 10 years and 8 months ago

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@ ventilated Perhaps in your house the top floor is “always colder in the winter and hotter in the summer.” In my house, the top floor is always hotter in the winter as the interior stairway serves as a chimney and brings all the hot air up from the parlor and middle floor. My situation is similar to @CMU where my parlor is colder. @ sunsetpark2deanst If your tenant wants 72-74 I would tell them to buy a space heater or put on a sweater. The law requires 68\. Unless they are the best tenants ever and paying well above market, why give them so much heat?

cmu | 10 years and 8 months ago

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In 3-floor triplex, my parlot floor’s always colder than the top, and it has the largest radiators. Does this indicate massive air leaks at the top? Middle floor temp is, well, in the middle. Each floor same size, room at from & back & stair/bath/hell in between. Thermostat in the downstairs hall.

snowman2 | 10 years and 8 months ago

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Before you accept the recommendations to balance the system or do any work to it you need to confirm what the actual temp is in the tenants apt. Them saying it is cold doesn’t make it so. If it is actually colder than your apt then go to it.

ventilated | 10 years and 8 months ago

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The top floor is always colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. Just think about the exposure and heat loss. If the thermostat is in your apartment and reads 70-72 degrees, that’s not proof or guarantee that the tenant’s apartment is just as warm. As MP has already written “Balance your system and leave your thermostat in the core of the building, in a representative area.” Key words: “balance your system” and “representative area.”

Arkady | 10 years and 8 months ago

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I’ve used an Acurite indoor/outdoor for years to monitor temps in an unheated shed. Under $15\. It’ll just tell you what the temp is in the apartment so you want to be sure they don’t move it to a chilly place. http://www.acurite.com/indoor-outdoor-thermometer-00380.html

briank | 10 years and 8 months ago

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There’s no solution to this, unless you separate your heating system in 2 independently controlled zones.This is not so hard to do, it will probably take 2 days and cost you 2-3K BTW, your tenants might not be unreasonable-I’ve experienced this long time ago as a fresh immigrant: my kids were freezing upstairs and when I complained to my Russian landlord-he would open the door in shorts and all sweaty, and it was because of a 3 apartment townhouse with a single thermostat located next to the 1st floor kitchen :)))

ellenlourie | 10 years and 8 months ago

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You need to balance system. TRVs might be the best solution, they allow automatic balancing of the heating system at any given conditions.

nyc_sport | 10 years and 8 months ago

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While I of course concur with MasterPlumber, if you are trying to have a thermostat read remote temperatures, there are many. The Honeywell redlink are very easy to set up, and if your problem is in essence finding a median of various imperfect evils in terms of temperature, you can hook up several remote temperature sensors (about $30 each) and the thermostat can use the average temperature when calling for heat.

Master Plvmber | 10 years and 9 months ago

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I don’t recommend trying to solve this kind of thing with sensors. All they do is tell the thermostat when to turn the boiler on and off by reading an alternate ambient temperature. The entire system still reacts as one unit. So, if you’re reading a colder space, the sensor in that room will enable a call for heat until the spaces that are comfortable now, will then become overheated. Then the windows start opening. No savings! Bad efficiency! Balance your system and leave your thermostat in the core of the building, in a representative area, or in a place that allows control by one person only. System balancing is done by people who understand venting/flow rates/pressure requirements, etc. That might not be your regular plumber or HVAC person. Seek a recommendation. Getting this right will save you money, time, and sanity.

bk1lnite | 10 years and 9 months ago

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“What can I do about a tenant that wants the apartment warmer than 72-74 degrees.”? A low tech solution: give them a thermometer and ask them to tell what you the temp is when they’re complaining. Point out that it’s warmer already than required by law (especially overnight). http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/tenants/heat-and-hot-water.shtml Then don’t renew the lease and rent to a tenant that owns and wears appropriate clothes for cold weather.

sunsetpark2deanst | 10 years and 9 months ago

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I am going through exact same thing. I need a sensor to monitor the heat in rental. What can I do about a tenant that wants the apartment warmer than 72-74 degrees. I have a Honeywell Wifi thermostat that I can manage while away from home via an app. I would like a thermostat sensor that can offer the same.

mozeeatupu | 10 years and 9 months ago

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If you don’t want to change your thermostat to an ecobee 3 or a redlink, then look into something like the AcuRite Wireless Indoor/Outdoor Thermometer