Hello All,

We are about to close on a brownstone in PLG that needs significant work. We are TOTAL novices and would love some advice about how to approach this.

THE CAVEATS:
The first thing to say is that we have NO experience with construction or DIYing. We are not handy (yet!). As embarrassing as it is to admit, we do not even own a drill. We are competent enough to learn how to do things you can easily teach yourself, but not foolish enough to imagine that we can do much of this work ourselves. And at this point, we don’t even know how to tell what might be reasonably attempted, and what is best left to the pros.

Second thing: While we have a good chunk of cash put aside for this, we nonetheless have much more time on our hands than money. My husband works from home and can oversee things at the house if we decide to not use a GC, or even if we do. He is also game for learning how to do whatever he can himself if it saves money–but of course the main thing is to get it done right, even if it costs more.

THE QUESTIONS:
Our main question is, for a project like ours, do we need a GC? Or would we be better off hiring workers for individual jobs? And do we need an architect? We are not changing the floorplan at all, but we are hoping to do one thing that’s pretty major (see #11 below). And whatever we decide, where do we start? What are the steps to follow?

THE PROJECT(S):
We have a long to-do list, but this work does not all need to happen right away. Mostly it’s cosmetic. If it were more economical to do everything all at once, we would–but we could also space it out a bit if it would save money and sanity.

The house is three stories. We will live mainly on the upper two, so those are the priority. The kitchen is on parlor floor. There is a bathroom on each level.

This is what needs to be done, roughly in order from ‘Very Urgent’ to ‘That would be nice someday’:
1) Upgrade electrical system (inspection found several mystery wires “piggybacked” on existing circuit breakers)
PARLOR FLOOR & SECOND FLOOR:
2) Rip out wall-to-wall carpeting covering every inch of floors and stairs. Install hardwood floors.
3) Rip out atrocious faux-wood paneling covering every inch of walls, and prep walls for painting. (The paneling was installed in the 70s and we are aware that there may be lead paint underneath–is this something we can do ourselves?) Likewise, de-popcorn the popcorn ceilings.
3) The house is replete with archways to nowhere. One archway, in a hallway, we want removed (so that the hall is just a hall), and another, to a bedroom nook, we want filled in to make a wall (ie, we want the nook to become a room)
4) Put in doorway between ex-nook and the adjoining room
5) Three bathrooms: remove and replace toilets and sinks. Plumbing is (we think) okay, but we expect that we may have to deal with pipe surprises.
6) The aforementioned nook will become a master bathroom. It is above the kitchen, and the pipes are in the walls already. We will need: plumbing, fixture installation, tilework…anything else?
7) Kitchen: Install new appliances, countertops, cabinet faces. Build an island. This is one thing we feel pretty confident we could mostly do ourselves, with the exception of cutting the counters and hooking up the oven and dishwasher.

8) GARDEN FLOOR:
This is a doozy! The garden level is a big open space with a ghastly linoleum floor. It is sealed and dry, thank heaven for that, and almost completely above ground (it has full-size windows). We need to put in walls & doors, wood or “wood” floors (this will be a rec area/guest apartment–we are wondering if it is smarter to do the floors at the same time as we do the upstairs, or cheap out and do click and lock or something. And while I’m on the subject–do the walls need to go up before the floors?)–basically, we need to make it a livable space. We plan to put in a wall to create a hallway running from front to back of the house, between the front (under stoop) door and the backyard door, with the staircase to upstairs in the middle. And then a perpendicular wall to separate the living space into two large rooms. There is a bathroom already down there that works fine.

9) Yard: Currently covered in concrete. WHY did people do this? We want to break that up. I guess for this we just need a dude with a jackhammer?

10) Skylights: There are three, and they are totally black with filth, but they are not open-able, and there are sealed domes over them on the roof so they can’t be reached for cleaning. I guess we need to replace them. No idea what this entails.

11) Currently the only way to get out to the backyard is via the garden floor. We would like to turn the kitchen window into a door, and put in metal steps (with maybe a landing, but probably not a full-fledged deck) down to the yard. We have heard a lot of conflicting advice: You need an architect! You don’t need an architect! You need a permit! Permits are for wimps if your neighbors don’t hate you! This will cost a million dollars! This will be cheap and easy! Anyone think they can shed some light?

12) Convert from oil to gas heat. Install separate water heater (currently there is just the boiler.) Also: oil tank is buried in front yard (and concreted over, naturally). Better to fill with sand and forget about it, or have it dug up?

13) Turn non-working fireplace into working fireplace. (Yes, we are now in the realm of “That would be nice someday.”)

SOOOO…what would you do? Any and all advice will be much appreciated! (And any and all insults will be bounce off of me and stuck to you, as I am rubber, etc.)

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Comments

  1. 2nd the comment about the marriage counselor. We almost didn’t survive a bath/kitchen remodel.

    Getting a GC or not can depend on how quickly you’d like the whole thing done (of course a bad GC can drag things on forever as well). For example, I was GC for my bathroom reno and had no idea how to sequence things properly. I thought logically I could proceed from demo, to rough-in, and then pick finishes generally in that order. Except when my electrician calls while he’s doing the rough-in work and needs to know how high we want the outlets. They needed to clear the wainscoting by a certain amount. Unfortunately we hadn’t bought the wainscoting yet, since I considered that a finish item. So I called our finish guy and asked him how high the wainscoting was going to go. He said it depended on how high the sink was, since it had to clear the pedestal by a certain amount. So my electrician sat around for 3 days while I went sink shopping. Who would have known that my electrician needed to know how high the sink was? Someone with more experience, like an architect or GC.

    We had all sorts of small delays like that because I honestly had no idea what I was doing. Two or three days here and there add up, and the bathroom and kitchen took us 7 months longer than planned. We still have an entire floor plus another bath to do, and we need a year off from renovating or else we’ll kill each other.

    We permitted everything, but we also pretty much re-wired and re-plumbed the entire place and moved fixtures around like crazy.

  2. An architect can also be very helpful with figuring out what the heck all those niches going to nowhere came from and how they can be optimized. An architect might also think of great layout ideas on the garden floor and in the bath and kitchen you are redoing or installing. I have heard people say that if you’re spending over $70,000 (and you will) an architect might not actually add additional cost because they will save you in other areas. I have no idea if that’s true, just something I heard. If you’re putting in a bath, you have to file.

  3. Listen to Denton, he acted as his own GC and he knows what he’s talking about. I also acted as my own GC, sort of, but we weren’t moving walls and windows around.

    A few bits of other random advice:

    Any plaster walls under paneling are likely to need skim coating. If the paneling is in the kitchen or dining room, you may have real wood paneling or bead board underneath. If it’s covered in black glue, this is a bitch to fix and you may be better off replacing it with a new match.

    Get a plumber in there to evaluate the pipes. If they do need help, you want to do that while you’re doing the electric upgrade.

    Re going slow and doing the work yourself: I advise doing the electrical, plumbing, and plastering BEFORE you do anything else, then paint, then re-do the floors, then move into the house. Be advised that the first three items cause massive amounts of dust to go everywhere and it’s not really live-able, plus it ruins the floors. And is probably full of lead.

    Last but not least, I don’t know how old the house is, or what your taste is, but “niches” are a feature of late Victorian houses and are meant to contain dressers, hutches, sideboards, and the like. They can be very attractive and useful. See the web site of Gavin Young Maloney (gavinyoungmaloney.com) for photos and examples. If you want to restore the house’s historic look, he’s a great potential licensed contractor also you might want to interview. But you’ll still need an architect to move walls and change windows to doors.

  4. Don’t even touch anything yourself, especially electric and plumbing without an expert. Just curious, but I hope you bought this house for practically nothing.

  5. I concur with denton. it would be advisable to hire an architect: You’ve got a lot of stuff on your list and as you say, this is largely uncharted territory.

    Having someone who knows this world to help give clarity to the scope of work what your bullet list implies, as well as an interface with contractors who is ‘on your side’ is essential.

    I happily recommend :

    Matter Practice
    http://www.matterpractice.net/

    We’re working with them on a project right now and they are great in terms of their ability to define what each of the jobs really means, help prioritize projects based on cost/benefit, and they have a great design sensibility informed by their vast practice (one of the reasons we went with them).

  6. I would hire an architect or a construction manager to lay out the scope of work and get bids from a GC. If you just hire a GC you may not get a good one and given your level of knowledge it may take you a while before you’ve figured that out. An arch or cm at least has a fiduciary duty to you.

    You’ll need an architect and permit anyway if you plan to do things like replace windows with doors. While maybe in some nabes permits are for wimps, you really need the services of an architect anyway, so may as well file.

    And take $1000 down to Home Depot and buy yourself a set of 18v DeWalt cordless power tools and a bunch of hand tools. And a shop vac.

    I bet you have asbestos on the old boiler, you better look into that also. Cuz no one will touch it until it’s gone.

  7. Wow! There is an awful lot of work outlined above and you have never done this before (don’t even own a drill?).

    I’ve done only a few projects; but all have been pretty much total jobs. Opening and closing walls is both messy and expensive. If you’re doing the electric, do yourself a favor and do the plumbing. Don’t live in the home while doing this work uless you must!

    Plan ahead!

    What else do you need when walls are open? Security wires?
    CAT 5e wire? Cable? Stereo? Door bell? Airconditioning? Insulation? Do you grill? Outside lights? I usually over wire, put in a/c, extra plugs, switches and dimmers, new windows and etc.

    While you may not need a GC or architect for ALL of this project, you should consider it for most of it. Moving gas lines, upgrading electric service, and any structural changes should be done w/a permit and architect. A good GC is well worth the cost as you may spend more undoing and redoing– and you may not have the trade contacts they do.

    Know how long it takes for delivery of different items–windows take how long? lights? etc. You don’t want to have a good crew on your job only to have them leave because they have no job to do but wait for your items to arrive!

    I certainly wish you all the best of luck with this. Under
    take some of the jobs but vend out most of it. Time is money in real estate, and there is a reason you don’t own
    that drill! Choose carefully but for the most part let the pros it! You don’t want to ‘remuddle’ your new baby!

  8. Before you start you need to answer these two questions.

    1) How strong is your marriage?

    2) Do you have the name of a good marriage counselor/divorce lawyer?

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