Hello All,

We are about to close on a brownstone in PLG that needs significant work. We are TOTAL novices and would love some advice about how to approach this.

THE CAVEATS:
The first thing to say is that we have NO experience with construction or DIYing. We are not handy (yet!). As embarrassing as it is to admit, we do not even own a drill. We are competent enough to learn how to do things you can easily teach yourself, but not foolish enough to imagine that we can do much of this work ourselves. And at this point, we don’t even know how to tell what might be reasonably attempted, and what is best left to the pros.

Second thing: While we have a good chunk of cash put aside for this, we nonetheless have much more time on our hands than money. My husband works from home and can oversee things at the house if we decide to not use a GC, or even if we do. He is also game for learning how to do whatever he can himself if it saves money–but of course the main thing is to get it done right, even if it costs more.

THE QUESTIONS:
Our main question is, for a project like ours, do we need a GC? Or would we be better off hiring workers for individual jobs? And do we need an architect? We are not changing the floorplan at all, but we are hoping to do one thing that’s pretty major (see #11 below). And whatever we decide, where do we start? What are the steps to follow?

THE PROJECT(S):
We have a long to-do list, but this work does not all need to happen right away. Mostly it’s cosmetic. If it were more economical to do everything all at once, we would–but we could also space it out a bit if it would save money and sanity.

The house is three stories. We will live mainly on the upper two, so those are the priority. The kitchen is on parlor floor. There is a bathroom on each level.

This is what needs to be done, roughly in order from ‘Very Urgent’ to ‘That would be nice someday’:
1) Upgrade electrical system (inspection found several mystery wires “piggybacked” on existing circuit breakers)
PARLOR FLOOR & SECOND FLOOR:
2) Rip out wall-to-wall carpeting covering every inch of floors and stairs. Install hardwood floors.
3) Rip out atrocious faux-wood paneling covering every inch of walls, and prep walls for painting. (The paneling was installed in the 70s and we are aware that there may be lead paint underneath–is this something we can do ourselves?) Likewise, de-popcorn the popcorn ceilings.
3) The house is replete with archways to nowhere. One archway, in a hallway, we want removed (so that the hall is just a hall), and another, to a bedroom nook, we want filled in to make a wall (ie, we want the nook to become a room)
4) Put in doorway between ex-nook and the adjoining room
5) Three bathrooms: remove and replace toilets and sinks. Plumbing is (we think) okay, but we expect that we may have to deal with pipe surprises.
6) The aforementioned nook will become a master bathroom. It is above the kitchen, and the pipes are in the walls already. We will need: plumbing, fixture installation, tilework…anything else?
7) Kitchen: Install new appliances, countertops, cabinet faces. Build an island. This is one thing we feel pretty confident we could mostly do ourselves, with the exception of cutting the counters and hooking up the oven and dishwasher.

8) GARDEN FLOOR:
This is a doozy! The garden level is a big open space with a ghastly linoleum floor. It is sealed and dry, thank heaven for that, and almost completely above ground (it has full-size windows). We need to put in walls & doors, wood or “wood” floors (this will be a rec area/guest apartment–we are wondering if it is smarter to do the floors at the same time as we do the upstairs, or cheap out and do click and lock or something. And while I’m on the subject–do the walls need to go up before the floors?)–basically, we need to make it a livable space. We plan to put in a wall to create a hallway running from front to back of the house, between the front (under stoop) door and the backyard door, with the staircase to upstairs in the middle. And then a perpendicular wall to separate the living space into two large rooms. There is a bathroom already down there that works fine.

9) Yard: Currently covered in concrete. WHY did people do this? We want to break that up. I guess for this we just need a dude with a jackhammer?

10) Skylights: There are three, and they are totally black with filth, but they are not open-able, and there are sealed domes over them on the roof so they can’t be reached for cleaning. I guess we need to replace them. No idea what this entails.

11) Currently the only way to get out to the backyard is via the garden floor. We would like to turn the kitchen window into a door, and put in metal steps (with maybe a landing, but probably not a full-fledged deck) down to the yard. We have heard a lot of conflicting advice: You need an architect! You don’t need an architect! You need a permit! Permits are for wimps if your neighbors don’t hate you! This will cost a million dollars! This will be cheap and easy! Anyone think they can shed some light?

12) Convert from oil to gas heat. Install separate water heater (currently there is just the boiler.) Also: oil tank is buried in front yard (and concreted over, naturally). Better to fill with sand and forget about it, or have it dug up?

13) Turn non-working fireplace into working fireplace. (Yes, we are now in the realm of “That would be nice someday.”)

SOOOO…what would you do? Any and all advice will be much appreciated! (And any and all insults will be bounce off of me and stuck to you, as I am rubber, etc.)

Sooooo….
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Comments

  1. Rules about rennovating:
    1) do not say that you are a novice
    2) do not say that you are a novice
    3) do not say that you are a novice

    I am rennovating a house in PLG as we speak, let’s connect to exchange stories.

  2. Wow, Good luck to you on your project. We are just completing our renovation and we did it with the help of my father, who is a woodworker, and we GC’ed it ourselves, and it still cost us upwards of 200K. It is possible the scope of our project was a little more than yours, and we were also on a tight timeline to finish it, so we did all our renovations right after the other. If you space your renovations out, and get a floor livable/comfortable before you move to the next, you can probably space out your expenses. But I would advise, whatever your estimates are, to double them (both time and money). Good luck! You’ll be really satisfied when you’re done!

  3. Re:Gas Conversion and filling oil tank with ???

    This definitely won’t fly. Gas conversion requires licensed plumber with approved plans, which will require asbestos cert clean, and certification of removal for oil tank.

    FYI, Harbor Freight primarily sells substandard tools to people who don’t know better.

    If your husband has more time than money, after much research ebay is a cheaper source of high quality tools.

  4. I GC’ed my home. Getting an architect is a must. Lives can become busy, and if there is not a plan, your sub-contractors will run rough shod. Once a plan is adopted, a sub-contractor will have to conform to the specifics of the plan. You can also prioritize the work which needs to be done first, second, and so on. Houses are a mix of systems-physical, electrical, plumbing, etc. All those systems should be approached individually, and then thought of in concert with the others. If you need to upgrade the electrical, don’t redo the walls first. Take it slow, forget instant gratification, and work together to realize a long-term goal. Oh, and get handy!

  5. Yes, gut check on your marriage (GC or no). Yes on architect and yes on GC.

    You need to coordinate the trades, which means much more than making sure each shows up and does what they are supposed to do. A good GC , with independent architect’s oversight, will direct traffic, figure out what the best order of work is to minimize stress and lost time for each contractor and sub, and tee up your decisionmaking for stuff you need to decide and buy. The fact that you have a fair amount of time on your hands will not go to waste; having the time will allow you to stay on top of the project, ask questions, and do any necessary shopping (light fixtures, kitchen/bath, doorknobs, windows, etc.). IT will enable you to give a quick turn around on any on the spot decisionmaking, which will keep everyone happy. And it will allow you to bring the crew donuts and stuff from time to time — odd as this sounds, they will cut fewer corners.

  6. There is some very useful advice in the previous comments. I think the take-home is that even if you decide to GC it yourself (do the coordination), you should absolutely have an architect create plans for permitting and to lock down the scope. You should also definitely use licensed electricians and plumbers for safety’s sake and to avoid serious problems down the road.

    I would be happy to talk with you about your project, and we can put together a proposal for drawings and filing. Please email or call:

    jordan@jpda.net / 718.312.3130
    http://www.jpda.net

    Jordan Parnass AIA RIBA LEED AP

  7. I support DIY, but when it comes to building standards and codes, they are in place for safety.

    As for power tools and even hand tools, if you are going to experiment take a look at a course, especially one that will introduce you to safety.

  8. You will need electrical and plumbing permits and construction as well. You can only get exampted from that if everything is at eh EXACT location as previously. Taking off an arch, adding a door you need one and therefore automatically you will need to hire an architect and an asbestos investigator as well.

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