PLG Schools and Amenities
We are *this* close to making an offer in PLG and are doing one last round of due diligence. Two main areas of concern schools (I have a 2 year old) and amenities (dry cleaner, food shops etc.) Any PLGers past and present able to share experiences or advice? many thanks
We are *this* close to making an offer in PLG and are doing one last round of due diligence. Two main areas of concern schools (I have a 2 year old) and amenities (dry cleaner, food shops etc.) Any PLGers past and present able to share experiences or advice? many thanks
Not sure that “gaming” approach is going to work in the future (some schools now google you to find addresses attached to you, and question you about that discrepancy). You are going to have to educate yourself, apply everywhere, and hope for the best. Most of the tricks friends have used have been eliminated by new, stricter approaches.
The Maple Street School is a preschool only.
PLG is great, no question, but just be ready for a whole big headache re: the schools (no, there are no local schools that come near adequate right now). I know someone whose child just did not get into ANY good public schools for Kindergarten. If you can swing private, you have more options, of course. If at all possible I would get your child in a private ongoing preschool as soon as possible (say, threes at a decent private)… or wait til he or she is already into a good public somewhere else. Not to be a downer, but it is a grueling and stressful scene, and the stress goes on for a long, long time, and you may end up commuting every day to a school far away on a packed subway train — and feeling lucky to do so.
Good luck!
“Any and all advice welcome as I school myself in the Dark Arts of gaming the school system. ”
You game the system by persuading a friend of yours in a ‘good’ neighborhood to let you use their address, so you can send your kids to a school in their district.
Ever notice all the cars in front of 321 at 3PM?
Wow, i am bowled over by the fantastic advice.
Thank you Brooklynista and ennuiater.
Brooklnista, PLG feels absolutely right for us, I genuinely like the neighbourhood and we are already fantasizing about opening up businesses etc there as well as buying residential. “be the change you want to see…” and all that.
enniater, please do post that list of schools. Any and all advice welcome as I school myself in the Dark Arts of gaming the school system.
Wish me luck on our offer!
“Seems like it would be a better bet to improve the quality of instruction in the local school for all children.”
First of all, I agree with Brooklynishome,100%. A quality public school education, no matter your neighborhood of residence, just ought to be a right afforded to all Americans and not just a privilege to be enjoyed by those lucky or wealthy to be living in the “right” places. That said, what does one do in the meantime when the prospective house and neighborhood hold promise but the local schools do not?
Well, sometimes, f you want something bad enough, you can make it happen with a bit of luck, great timing and prayers but mainly with a whole lot of extra hard work. So then the question becomes how much do you want it? In our case, our family moved to PLG from West Harlem in 1988. At that time, our daughter was already an adolescent and we were clear she would not be attending the neighborhood schools in PLG. But that decision wasn’t such a big deal for us. After all, she had never attended West Harlem’s neighborhood schools either! Instead, throughout her educational sojourn, we seriously researched the NYC public schools, came up with a lists of the “right” ones and “worked it” such that we were always able to get her admitted into one of the magnet schools, from elementary to high school. Because of our persistence and our daughter’s own diligence, she ended up graduating from an ivy league university — all on the basis of a NYC public school education and all while living in Harlem and PLG.
So what was it about PLG we wanted bad enough for our family that we were willing to send our child not just out of the nabe but out of the borough for her schooling in order to have it? Well, for starters, how about a fabulously diverse, very close-knit and friendly, very small neighborhood comprised of turn-of-the-century rowhouses, victorian frames and prewar apartment buildings. One that is also sandwiched between Prospect Park and the BBG and close to major bus and subway lines. And, of course — let’s be real — we also wanted it badly because a beautiful home in PLG was within our financial means. (No shame there!) I note that we made this decision long before there were the signs of change now going on in PLG today that have already been noted by other posters.
BTW, one other significant change already in the works but not yet mentioned is the new $60M Lakeside Center at Prospect Park. http://www.prospectpark.org/about/lakeside If there were ever an indication that positive new developments are planned for this side of the Park — where we are already in close proximity to the Carousel, Lefferts House, the Boathouse and Audubon Center, the Lake, the Zoo — Lakeside Center is it. Recession or not, I predict that once Lakeside Center opens here in 2011, getting your hands on a house in PLG is going to get a whole lot harder.
Clearly PLG is not for everyone. In the years we’ve been here, I’ve seen families move here in optimism only to turn around and leave soon after because the reality of living on the “fringe” was just too harsh for them. OTOH, I’ve seen way more folk come who decide to stay, just like we did. Whatever you decide, just be sure to do what feels most right in your gut. And, then, having made that decision, be prepared to dig in for the consequences of that choice whether it’s PLG “in” or “out.” (Hint: if you choose PLG “in”, I guarantee you will have instant friends in your neighbors who’ll be happy to lend a helping hand.):-)
Good luck!
I know this also won’t help your PLG decision making, but besides PS321 which is perhaps the best known, there are a LOT of really good schools surrounding Prospect Park. It just happens that most of them are on the PS/WT side, but schools in South slope, Kensington and Ditmas Park are quite good also.
If I could afford it, I’d totally go for today’s House of the Day. PS 217 is quite good.
Full disclosure: We ended up finding a great place that we could afford in Greenpoint, and our son will be attending PS 110 in 2 years. I’ve never lived on the northside before, I lived in Prospect Heights/Park Slope area for almost 10 years. I like the new neighborhood though, despite all the things I miss about the old one.
If you’d like, I can post later tonight (its at home) my list of schools I identified as “good” based on reading lots and lots of posts and reviews. Unfortunately, quite a lot of them are in neighborhoods that were out of my budget range, but that might not be an issue for you. 🙂
I have lived in PLG for a little over two years and I love it as well… but don’t be oversold on the services. I leave the neighborhood for pretty much all my shopping and services, and there’s only a couple of good restaurants (although there’s a lot of great West Indian food shops). I know some people live here without a car, but I admit I don’t know how they do it. I couldn’t. But the housing stock is fantastic, the housing market isn’t spastically bid, and all the people are really nice. I don’t have kids but most of my neighbors send their children to private school, so I expect the public schools are probably pretty bad.
hahah that’s awesome BCtoBK
*rob*
Mr Bull, I think it’s a totally fair question. First of all you have to understand that *my* child is a budding genuis and i want to foster that latent talent. Second, that statement is playing in the heads of lots of mom in the NYC metro area.
i could bore you to death with the generational tale of woe whereby the genXers generally got shafted in the attentive parenting realm and therefore are overparenting their kids “because if we had had a little more involvement or encouragement, I could be an astronaut/oscar winner/president now!” But good enough schooling just doesn’t seem good enough some how. Not when great and superlative is out there. I intend to leave my kids absolutely nothing in a will, I’m gonna die broke and have a hell of a time spending it in the meantime. But I do want to give them the best start I possibly can.
Rob,
Its mainly the discipline problems. A lot of city teachers spend more than half of their time trying to control the classroom rather than teaching.
There are also a lot of bad teachers in NYC schools. Obviously there are also a lot off good ones too, but, the teachers union contract makes it impossible to fire bad teachers and almost as difficult to hire good ones.
Like many unions (not all!), the teachers union protects the bad teachers at the expense of the good ones. Example is pay based on tenure rather than performance.