Cobble Hill or Carroll Gardens?
Where does Carroll Gardens start and Cobble Hill end? I have seen it a number of different ways and am still confused.
Where does Carroll Gardens start and Cobble Hill end? I have seen it a number of different ways and am still confused.
its all BoCoCa anyway. same freaking neighborhood no real changes and real differences. unlike other neighborhoods.
Boerum Hill
Cobble Hill
Carroll Gardens
/runs
sorry about the typing – I meant say ‘always’.
In end – really all of them the same ‘neighborhood’ anyway.
I am not sure why you or anyone else would get ‘really annoyed’ about Smith/Court blocks designation.
And I never until very recent years ever heard any refer to those blocks as BoerumHill and mostly on Brownstoner – so not sure why you sale ‘always’.
I have lived neighborhood since late 1970’s.
Depends on whether you’re buying or selling.
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Those of us who love living in Boerum Hill get really annoyed about the Boerum Hill/Cobble Hill dividing line. It has always been Court Street but when Smith street got restaurantized, Cobble Hillers started saying Cobble Hill started at Smith. No Way! Boerum Hill proudly claims Smith down to the Carroll Gardens border.
As has been pointed out, there is little reason to focus on a boundary unless your focus is on being in PS 29 (which has explicit boundaries), wanting to live in/avoid a LPC district (also explicit boundaries) or else being able to walk relatively more quickly to the Borough Hall subways (in which case you want to be in Cobble Hill).
I was told by someone who grew up on Kane in the 1970’s (and then later in Brooklyn Heights) that the mental boundary for him (an ethnic wasp) was Union — once you crossed Union, the neighborhood went from something like 40-50% Italian to 80-100% Italian. (I wouldn’t count on those numbers to be accurate, but more that it was his perception.)
That kind of jibes with the current zoning for PS 29, which goes to at least the north side of Union as far east as Court (but excludes everything north of Congress). (also, as 99 luftballons pointed out, there are 4 or 5 blocks east of Court also in PS 29). I don’t know whether the zone was the same when my friend was growing up.
I guess it depends how old you are. Basically, from Atlantic Avenue on down to Red Hook and part of Sunset Park was all South Brooklyn, since until the late 1890s the city of Brooklyn ended there.
For decades afterward many neighborhood residents continued to call it South Brooklyn/Red Hook, and some of the older residents still call it that. The names Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill were created later, partially for real estate “branding.”
Today, common usage does divide Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill at Degraw Street.
South Brooklyn, as it were
It’s all Redhook to me.