Cobble Hill or Carroll Gardens?
Where does Carroll Gardens start and Cobble Hill end? I have seen it a number of different ways and am still confused.
Where does Carroll Gardens start and Cobble Hill end? I have seen it a number of different ways and am still confused.
If you’ve been here less than 20 years, you wouldn’t get it, or care, no worries. It was obviously made a post cause it would spark heated debate among the long and medium timers.
Who cares ?
Thank you all for the postings. It seems all so clear now…
To speak to Carol Gardens comment, I live on Douglass near Smith and I’ve always maintained that I live in Cobble Hill. It wasn’t until a month or two ago that a Corcoran agent told me that they considered the street Boerum Hill. But before that border debates would often arise over whether Douglass or Degraw was the beginning of Carroll Gardens. Agreed that it depends on the person and the neighborhood they want to identify with…Personally, I just like that all three of these great neighborhoods are right outside my door!
well -then there you have it. Whatever Boerum Hill Assoc. says it is – it is.
And tell me where the vacant storefronts between Atlantic and Warren were. Certainly there were no more then than now. And beside Hanten – which is still there – can anyone else come up with other real estate offices (not county than 10′ wide tiny thing up near Atlantic) that existed on Smith? I doubt it.
I think memory is foggy. Can’t say you never saw crack vials on Smith – but back then could find them about anywhere. It was a viable commercial street – just catering to a different demographic.
And remember we are talking north of Warren.
“I am not sure why you or anyone else would get ‘really annoyed’ about Smith/Court blocks designation.
And I never until very recent years ever heard any refer to those blocks as BoerumHill and mostly on Brownstoner – so not sure why you sale ‘always’.
I have lived neighborhood since late 1970’s.
Posted by: Petebklyn at June 10, 2009 2:05 PM”
When I moved to Boerum Hill in the mid-1980’s, Smith St was empty storefronts, real estate offices and crack vials. I never heard any of the genteel folk in Cobble Hill claiming it then.
According to the Boerum Hill Association on their website, the borders are: Schermerhorn Street to Warren Street and Court Street to Fourth Avenue.
You guys are quibbling about the border between Boerum Hill and Cobble Hill and in the meantime Park Slope is taking over everywhere!!!
Growing up and going to PS 29 the general thoughts back then was Cobble Hill went to Court. Boreum Hill started at Smith. The block in between was sort of nebulous and the dividing line between the two. Of course Smith Street was much different back then…
Things don’t matter much these days, but I do remember going to school with kids who’s parents wouldn’t let them cross over Court St or go south of Sackett. There was a time when these neighborhoods were extremely insular and the boundaries really did matter. Not so much any more (although I do find myself falling into my provincial roots every now and then…)
coppermaven, I disagree. You might like to claim Smith St for the value it would impart to your digs, but it doesn’t jive with the way the neighborhoods flow. Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens are basically north-south neighbordhoods, follwing the Court St/Smith St commercial corridor. Boerum Hill is fundamentally an east-west neighborhood, following the Atlantic Ave/Schermerhorn St/Livingston St corridor.
At best, Smith St could be said to just barely touch the very edge of your neighborhood. But I really think it’s fundamentally part of Cobble Hill.
(And, I’ve been there since the early 80s… it has nothing to do with restaurants.)