Noisy Neigbors
It’s an age-old problem, I know, but I want some fresh advice, if anyone has any. We’ve lived in our co-op since January, 2008. Since that time, we’ve been dealing with very loud upstairs neighbors. They yell, stomp, and move furniture at all hours of the night and its a rare weekend when we’re not…
It’s an age-old problem, I know, but I want some fresh advice, if anyone has any.
We’ve lived in our co-op since January, 2008. Since that time, we’ve been dealing with very loud upstairs neighbors. They yell, stomp, and move furniture at all hours of the night and its a rare weekend when we’re not kept up past 1 AM or woken up at 5 AM. Weeknights are no better. It’s a pair of sisters living in a one bedroom. One keeps strange work hours which is contributing to the noise at odd times.
We’ve politely asked them to keep the noise level down or to at least move their loud conversations from the back room into the front when it’s late at night, but they have been extremely hostile to our requests. When we go upstairs to complain, they come to the door, but rarely answer it, even though we can hear them approach the door, and see them look through the peephole. On the rare occasion when they answer, they scream at us, telling us to “go the f*ck away,” calling my wife a b*tch and telling us to die. We never stoop to their level, staying civil and walking away. We’ve left notes or letters, but they usually wind up crumpled up at our door. A letter sent via certified mail was refused upon delivery. We’ve kept a noise log of every occurrence since the summer. We have begun the process of talking to other neighbors — the person who lives above them for example — in the hopes of getting more witnesses.
Our co-op board is doing the bare minimum to help us. They enforced the 80% floor covering rule with these owners, but the problem has not gone away. They have sent them letters reminding them of the building’s noise policy — no loud noise, tv or radio after 11 PM and before 8 AM — but it hasn’t changed anything. The co-op board president has heard the noise in our apartment, as we woke her up at 5 AM on a Saturday to get her as a witness.
However, other than sending them letters, the co-op board refuses to talk directly to the residents. The board president has said she doesn’t want her “team” to get directly involved. At other times when the board president comes over to potentially witness the noise, she winds up talking about random stuff — pictures on our wall, a book on our nightstand — instead of really listening. (At 3 in the morning, I’m not interested in discussing literature.) We’re especially distressed because members of the board seem to have known that these women have been a problem for years before we moved in. (Ironic that at our co-op board meeting we were asked what kind of hours we kept and whether or not we took our shoes off when we came home, yet no one mentioned these crazies to us.)
We don’t want to get a lawyer or call the police, at least not yet. We feel that at the very least, the co-op board should arrange a mediated meeting between us and our upstairs neighbors, thinking that this is a sensible next step. It’s win-win, in our opinion. If they show up and act like crazy people, we’ll have the full board as a witness. If they don’t show up, it shows that we made a good faith effort to resolve this in a civil manner before resorting to more extreme measures.
The only problem is that the board doesn’t want to do this.
So, any advice? Short of continuing to suffer and building a case until we have enough evidence to sue, what can we do? Anyone have good experience with a lawyer who specializes in this kind of situation?
If anyone has any advice about good attorneys with experience in this area, that would also be appreciated.
Thanks! The video advice is great. I got my camera out and will bring it up the next time I go up.
We’re suing out neighbors in small claims court for the cost of the repair. We expect to win, although collecting will be another story.
document the noise inside your apartment with a videocam that has a time/date stamp. the judge/jury will need to experience the situation as you do for them to sympathize with you.
when you go upstairs to speak with your neighbor, document that too with the video camera. the judge will not be too impressed with your neighbors screaming things like “fu%k” and “bit@h” through the door, and that will also help your case.
the co-op could probably force the owners to sell their shares if it could be proved that they were a complete nuisance to the quality of life in the building. you should hire an experienced attorney and have them investigate this possibility.
Have an attorney review the rules and get them on the leak for sure. They are liable in that case. That same thing happened in my old building (condo) and the upstairs owners werte liable and paid. We had a very responsibe and proactive Board and Mgmt company though
We had the same problem with our coop board. We sold and moved instead of dealing with it any further. If the board members themselves aren’t directly affected by a situation then they don’t care and won’t do a thing for you. Therefore — make it their problem too. You do need their help with the nuts above you. Get an attorney and focus his efforts on the fact the board won’t enforce rules. Sometimes just a letter from an attny is enough.
There is a managing agent, but he and his company have so far not wanted to get involved beyond enforcing the 80% floor covering rule and sending them one or two letter restating the building’s house rules regarding noise.
In fact, these same residents had a leak in their dishwasher which damaged our kitchen ceiling. When we called the managing agent to ask about how to procede with a repair, he said we had to work it out with our neighbors ourselves and, failing that, take them to small claims court. The managing agent said there was nothing he could do, which seemed strange since there could actually be structural damage to the building and not just cosmetic damage to our kitchen ceiling.
It will be slow, but we’ll have to continue to collect evidence and will start calling the police. If experience is any guide, we’ll call them tonight.
Could it be these two sisters….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=648-2RE4XAk
Seems they’ve called your bluff. Now go after them
Isn’t there a managing agent? Sometimes boards hate to get involved in stuff like this as they live there too. The agent does the dirty work.
After speaking with an atty of course, consider withholding maintenance. In a coop you are a tenant like everyone else, you have a lease from the corporation. The corp may take you to court for non-payment and you would defend with a warrant of habitability defense. You’ll need more hard evidence tho.