20 Grand Avenue: It Could Get Ugly
There’s a classic artists-versus-landlord fight brewing at 20 Grand Avenue. For years, the 60,000-square-foot commercially-zoned warehouse has been inhabited by a mix of Pratt students and young creative types in a mutually beneficial don’t-ask-don’t-tell understanding with the landlord. (One couple had their loft profiled in the New York Times a couple of years ago). As…

There’s a classic artists-versus-landlord fight brewing at 20 Grand Avenue. For years, the 60,000-square-foot commercially-zoned warehouse has been inhabited by a mix of Pratt students and young creative types in a mutually beneficial don’t-ask-don’t-tell understanding with the landlord. (One couple had their loft profiled in the New York Times a couple of years ago). As the real estate market has picked up in the area, the tenants claim, the landlord has steadily tried to make the building less liveable (removing laundry facilities, not fixing the elevator in a timely manner, removing heating from common areas) in an effort to force them out; over the past year he has refused to renew leases, but allowed tenants to live on a month-by-month basis. Last week, they received the eviction letter below, in which the landlord formally, and probably not too wisely, recognized them as residential tenants.
Meanwhile, the owner has been trying to get the building’s C of O changed to residential; since the change has not been forthcoming, he’s resorted to trying to sell the units as commercial condos with the marketing pitch, “Own a Grand Home for Your Business.” Wink, wink. The property is listed under “New Home Developments” on the Douglas Elliman site despite their status as commercial condos.
We’re curious about what the market is for commercial condos. Does anyone know how 241 231 Norman Avenue fared? What’s it like trying to get financing for something like this if you’re just a small mom-and-pop business? GMAP P*Shark
take a look http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/item_T2HQd0ksblCmPHjO1v5wxM
My name is Joey Torres, I used to work at the Mets team store on E54th before I got fired for stealing.
I lived down in Coney Island for years, got mugged a couple of times, once at gun point but I soon lost my home because of the development going on down there. It probably would’ve helped if I had liked to work, so I had to move in with my crazy God fearing holy roller girlfriend who lives in the Bronx. It sucks, she screams at me all the time and embarrasses me in public, but I don’t want to work, and I don’t want to live in a shelter, so I have to take it.
I am essentially a bum who doesn’t like confrontation, I lie, cheat and steal, I am Joey Torres.
Hi everyone.
I am also gay, but my girl doesn’t know it.
Does anyone know the expected time frame for filing the offering plan, closing etc? I’m trying to find a space (approx 1000 sq ft or so) that has an easy commute to Manhattan and is safe. Any ideas? I’d like to purchase, but I’m open to ideas. Thanks!
all the bad artists & cry babies are now gone, the building is now 100% commerical. nice place to work & cheep!!!!!!!!!
231 Norman Avenue aka greenpointlofts has sold over 40% of their units. They have a new bank that offered us 6.5% interest rate, with 25% down. The problem with financing comes when you can’t put down more than 10%. The building is finished and provides individual bathrooms, gas, electric and nice size spaces. Definitely not work/live.
Just spent 6 mos. “negotiating” with that thief Joe Torres. He’s a crook, a thug, and probably couldn’t even spell “businessman” Quite possibly the shadiest guy I have ever met… STAY AWAY!
Just spent 6 mos. “negotiating” with that thief Joe Torres. He is a crook, a thug, and NOT a businessman.
Quite possibly the shadiest guy I have ever met…
Joe blocked the building dept. from entering 233 Norman while he defied a stop work order – he literally had men blocking the doors and elevators for a week.
The 231 Norman project is co-owned by a radical righty that thinks Muslims are out to impose Sharia on us, etc.
I’ve always thought the building itself was pretty ugly, myself.