expediter vs eng vs architect
we’re planning on doing some permitted exterior work (adding windows, putting in insulation, residing the house). none of this is high concept design or rocket science. do we need an architect or should we just hire an engineer? i’ve also heard that some expeditors can either do drawings or else subcontract to architects/engineers (who i…
we’re planning on doing some permitted exterior work (adding windows, putting in insulation, residing the house). none of this is high concept design or rocket science.
do we need an architect or should we just hire an engineer? i’ve also heard that some expeditors can either do drawings or else subcontract to architects/engineers (who i imagine are cheaper?) what’s the best way to proceed (i.e., cheapest but still structurally sound)?
thanks
one stop shop will be better for a project this size.
Try to find an engineer or an architect who would include the filing fees with no hidden costs or an expediter who can retain services of an engineer on your behalf; whoever is reasonable.
you should definitely shop around.
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Denton,
I wonder if bikerboy lives in a condo on 2nd st 😉
bikerboy, if anyone is still reading this, I looked at the link you furnished. It states:
“Regents Rules Section 29.3(a)(3) states that it is unprofessional conduct for a design professional to certify “by affixing the licensee’s signature and seal to documents for which the professional services have not been performed by, or thoroughly reviewed by, the licensee; or failing to prepare and retain a written evaluation of the professional services represented by such documents in accordance with the” requirements specified in Part 29.3(a)(3) – Unprofessional Conduct.”
Pls note: OR THOROUGHLY REVIEWED BY
Therefore, if the person stamping the plans has thoroughly reviewed them, and why wouldn’t they since their certification is on the line, it is perfectly legal.
And there is another exception for the client to draw up their own docs.
As an expediter I will comment only on the law portion. I know the “common practice” as anybody else.
1) By NYS education law plans must be drafted and drawn up by a licensed proffessional.
2) In NYC it doesn’t matter if the proffesional is an architect or an engineer.
3) An architect or engineer may have drawings done by a person under his DIRECT supervision which means an employee who works in his office.
4) Freelancers working for licensed proffessionals may be done under LIMITED CONDITIONS.
5) Just sdrafting up a plan and having a PE or RA stamping is called “rubber stamping” which is illegal.
6) DOB has no jurisdiction over architects and therefore they don’t always know if a plan is “rubber stamped”
7) DOB does review plans and tries to pinpoint (although sometimes unsuccessfully) and tries to eradicate those people thru IAD, DOI and the state dept. of education.
8)If you get just a rubber stamoed plan if something happens then there are a lot of major inconveniences that can come up
9) In addition, the architects insurance will not cover you and therefore the liability will be yours
Look on DOB website by licensing and discipline to see how many archotects and engineers lost their ability to file with DOB in the past couple of years
following is dob link:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/licenses/pera.shtml
More than one proffesional that I know and dealt with had problems
I like the contractors that offer architectural services for their clients, another illegal practice.
denton – Please google “testwell craig”. BTW, just because you did it, doesn’t mean it is legal. Some things are a matter of interpretation, but this is not one of them. see http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/arch/archguide-a2.htm
bikerboy, gimee a break. I did a complete gut reno, the plans were drawn up by an architect with a degree but not a license, his name was on them, and they were stamped by a PE. They were certainly not against the law, else the DOB would not have approved them.
In one case I personally drew up a riser diagram, stamped by a PE, approved.
OP: Even if bikerboy was correct, you can hire EITHER an architect or an engineer to do your drawings and filings, they both have to be certified. The fees are likely to be more or less the same anyway.
Here is a good thread to read with similar fee quote dissection.
http://bstoner.wpengine.com/forum/archives/2010/02/architect_quote.php
Drew Stuart
Incorporated Architecture & Design
http://www.incorporatedny.com/