We are doing an electrical upgrade in our Park Slope brownstone to include wiring to all the chandeliers. There are several original medallions between the chandeliers and the ceiling. Our electricians have informed us that, according to current code, the chandeliers have to be attached directly to newly-installed boxes in the ceiling, thus precluding the possibility of keeping these medallions since they create a separation of up to 6 inches between the chandelier and the box.

Does this make sense? Has anyone dealt with this before? Any creative solutions?


Comments

  1. It might be worthwhile to consult with a plaster craftsman and ask their opinion
    re: preservation/alteration. Below are a few recommended previously in the Forum; I suspect there are others if you search archives:
    Kevin Perez 917-685-8752
    Thad Simley 646-831-8319
    Stuart Sobczynski, Red Hook-based plaster contractor from TOH Brooklyn project house, no contact info
    I hate to think of your originals being damaged, however this business has been recommended in the Forum for reproduction medallions: Felber Ornamental Plaster, 800-392-6896, http://www.felber.net/products/index.html
    A site to check for additional sources/craftsmen:
    http://restorationandbuildingservices.com/search-region.html?-token=L280

  2. When I had my house re-wired in 1974 the electrical contractor, who respected old houses and was a friend of my uncle, sent an older electrician who had been trained in Italy. The man was an artist–it was wonderful how he worked around moldings, medallions, and decorative woodwork.I guess there aren’t many like him now.

    Interestingly his boss claimed to have rewired my house once before, in the late 30s. At his advise, we left much of the old wiring, which used BX and replaced the original (and very scary-looking) wiring from c.1905. I had read that early-20th Century wiring used uninsulated wires with ceramic knobs and posts, but the disconnected stuff inside my walls looks like cloth insulated bell wires that you wouldn’t think would stand up to 110 volts. Anyway, I’ve had no trouble at all with the remains of the late 30s wiring, except for a top floor fuse box that cracked and caused all sorts of weird intermittent problems before my current electrician found it and replaced it with a circuit breaker box.

  3. Electricians can be butchers. When we renovated, I wept after seeing how our electrician chopped through plaster moldings to run his BX. Thank g** our GC was able to repair the damage. The wiring itself for a light fixture is very straighforward so perhaps consider having a plasterer or carpenter do the installation. I would also say, in spite of Bob’s optimism, that some of these medallions really are pretty fragile.

    VINCA: Thanks for that Grand Brass lead. They have a great selection of canopies — best I’ve seen!

  4. Electricians can be butchers. When we renovated, I wept after seeing how our electrician chopped through plaster moldings to run his BX. Thank g** our GC was able to repair the damage. The wiring itself for a light fixture is very straighforward so perhaps consider having a plasterer or carpenter do the installation. I would also say, in spite of Bob’s optimism, that some of these medallions really are pretty fragile.

  5. Many old canopies have a decorative brass pipe running through the center, hiding the threaded pipe that attaches to the box. These are MUCH easier to use than modern canopies, or even normal repros, because you can push the canopy down on the pipe, physically attach the light fixture to the box and then attach the wires. Lastly you push the canopy up and secure it over the wires, gas pipe, etc. I don’t know if anyone makes repros of these. In any case I treasure my old canopies. I hate having to make the electrical connection before hanging a fixture.

  6. A slight correction, to Dave’s info: the part he’s referring to is called the canopy.
    Here’s a fer instance: http://www.rejuvenation.com/fixshowC281/templates/selection.phtml

    In the electrical world, a nipple is a shortish section of pipe with threading on both ends, if not all the way.
    I thought Dave knew this stuff! 🙂

    Whatever you do, don’t let those electricians (or any other mechanics) talk you out of your historic details. There’s always a way!

  7. Not all medallions are that fragile. Last Summer, I removed the light fixture from my bedroom, in preparation for having a tin ceiling installed. The ceiling was in very bad shape and we didn’t want the mess of taking it down and replacing it. It turns out that the wide pan on the light fixture was holding up a sagging portion of the ceiling, which fell, taking the medallion with it. The medallion survived the fall in perfect shape. I was glad that I wouldn’t have to cover it with tin and could set it aside for future use elsewhere. I was NOT so glad about having to sweep up a lot of plaster moments before the tin ceiling installers arrived. It could have been worse–the ceiling section was considerate enough to wait until I was no longer on a ladder, under it, before letting go.

    Anyway, the point of this long story was that you MIGHT be able to remove the medallion intact, if all else fails {although my suggestion would be to keep the old box if at all possible).

  8. Our electrician, who we would otherwise give a lukewarm recomendation for, managed to drill v e r y c a r e f u l l y to set the box deep enough into the medallion, and the medallion held. Perhaps we were lucky, but it can be done.