Our recent experience (and rec. for mason / GC)
When others have posted generally about their experiences/advice about big renovations, etc, I’ve found it helpful, so I figured I should do the same. We just got done with a major renovation to our c. 1870 building–a totally new experience for me, though my father was a GC (in another state), so I am pretty…
When others have posted generally about their experiences/advice about big renovations, etc, I’ve found it helpful, so I figured I should do the same.
We just got done with a major renovation to our c. 1870 building–a totally new experience for me, though my father was a GC (in another state), so I am pretty familiar with a lot of this. My rec’s/what I learned:
First off, let me HIGHLY recommend Nick and his crew at Transcend Construction. In stark contrast to my experience with all of the other work/workers/jobs we had done, Nick and his guys were awesome. They took care of our masonry work, very expertly, very quickly, and for a great price. Nick was on the job a minimum of once a day, sometimes 2-3 times, which I believe made all the difference (see below). Unlike the other masons I met with, Nick seemed to find a good balance between waterproofing and letting the bricks breathe (we ended up waterproofing underground on one side of the bldg where we were having some trouble that was obviously coming from the ground up–a rec no one else made), and he was knowlegable about the pre-1900 brick/mortar issues that the other masons disregarded. He also does general contracting. I REALLY wish I’d used him as our GC for the big interior reno, but I didn’t meet him until after we’d started that work. Nick @ Transcend Construction: 347-407-1816
Tell him Cammie recommended him.
We converted from oil to gas (steam heat), and we used LPCS & Sons Heating and Plumbing (Steven: 917-418-9654). They seemed to do a good job at a fair price (though honestly all three quotes I got were almost exactly the same price). I’ll happily use them again for any heating/plumbing needs in the future. The only thing is that the whole project left our previously clean basement quite a mess, which is probably pretty typical. When interviewing someone for a conversion like this, I’d definitely ask how well they clean up after the job is done. It’s a stinky, messy job, and in my opinion, the professionals who undertake it should clean it up, too. (I’d ask this of anyone you are considering to do any kind of work. Nick’s guys cleaned up well, the GC cleaned up moderately well.)
When choosing a GC, don’t just think of it as interviewing the actual GC. Be sure to ask how often he will actually be on the job. We chose a GC from a design-build firm around the block from us, literally. I found him to be very impressive. He seemed down-to-earth, honest, smart, skilled, etc. But once the job started, I pretty much only saw him when a payment was due or when I insisted he come to do a walk-through with me. His guys were NOT reliable. They were very slow, hung out far more than worked, and were not detail-oriented. I found myself being the one who had to talk to them every morning, ask exactly what was going to get done that day, etc; and the guys were not terribly responsive to me. I think part of what you pay a GC for is to do this very thing–or at least have a foreman decent enough to do it. Basically, managing the job was a giant headache and took a LOT of time, it took FAR longer than it should have, and the work was only mediocre.
Another thing I’d do upfront is insist that a full crew be on the job until the job was done. We had the typical thing happen to us: a full crew (who screwed around like mad) for the first month, then part-time crews for the next three months. If they would have been on the ball, the whole job should have been done in a month to six weeks, easily, especially with the full crew (4-5 guys) they sent over the first month.
One thing I did do when interviewing GC’s was discuss how much over their quote they tend to go, and make clear that I had a budget to stick to. I’ve heard horror stories about the end price being 50% higher than the quote, even for more-or-less the same work. I know things come up and some things just cost more, but I also know GC’s scam people a LOT this way. Frankly, we really did have a strict budget to stick to, so in a few cases we had to compromise on things we wanted when other expenses crept up. But my thinking is this: if the job is a lot quicker than they thought/quoted, the quoted price doesn’t come DOWN, so why should it always come up if the job ends up being more complicated/longer than anticipated? The GC should do a thorough enough inspection and quote to get pretty close to the “right” price… It should be motivation for them to stay on top of their crew.
Finally, I unfortunately didn’t do the thing a few people here recommended, which is to be firm about the payment schedule. That is, agree to a schedule such as: 1/3 up front, 1/3 when the job is 2/3 done, and the final 1/3 when the job is DONE. When our GC asked for almost all of the last 1/3 before the job was completely finished (“Just hold back a couple thousand until we get those last details done.”), I agreed, stupidly. Now it’s almost a month later and those last details still aren’t done… I’m sure if I’d insisted the WHOLE job be completed before making that last big payment, we would have been done long ago…
tanner:
How do I get a hold of you. I want to speak to you about CHDB. We are having a nightmare experience ourselves.
So here I am a few months later, and after hearing from another person who is having a similarly awful experience with the design build firm I referred to above, I feel compelled to name them in case someone else down the line is searching for a rec about them. It’s Clinton Hill Design Build. And by the way, the every last detail I was waiting for back in December? Still not done satisfactorily. It’s been eight months. At this point I have given up, frankly, and the last bits are small enough details that I would rather do them myself than have to talk to another person from that place…
Can’t believe how common this apparently is. We only kept back a couple of thousand, thinking it was significant enough, and two years later, we still don’t have (among a few other details) a big sliding glass shower door supposedly “designed” by the contractor. And we even have this sad little, totally useless, steam shower unit sitting there in the wall. Taunting me on cold winter days. I think of it as my open air limestone grotto.
Anyway, thanks for this post tanner. It seems incredibly useful. I just wish we had a way to exchange notes like this more often. Could save much grief and help to adjust the moral compasses of some of these guys.
Putnam, that was very funny.
I would like to add to this post as we just got totally screwed by our contractor–who took our 2/3rds and ran. I am going to sue him and go after his license but want to share with you what i have learned the hard way. Contractors make all their money on the roughing and the corrupt ones set up payments so that they make their 30% profit within the first couple of weeks–once they have that money–you will never see them again. But i’ll see mine again, in court. I will post a much longer post once this process gets underway and yes-i will name names.
sevethavenue and putnamdenizen: eh?
And ownhs, I hear you… but I think I should hold off until that last bit of work is actually done… assuming it actually does get done…
What shall I remind you about Dollar construction? Oh, and don’t forget to pick up a loaf of bread. Honey.
Something VERY FISHY about the whole story.
Remind me about Dollar construction.
Tanner, thanks for the post. I wish I had read it before starting my complete renovation 2 years ago. It was scheduled to take 10 weeks, but it took 6 months!
Thanks for the thorough account of your experience and the positive review for Transcend as a GC. Who was the design/build guy who did bother to the GC part of his job? If you don’t name him how are the rest of us going to avoid him? You make it sound like he does a great job of selling himself upfront, so the next person may get caught too.