I’m shopping for a washer and dryer, and decided I should get a front loader, because they are more energy and water efficient, and more gentle on clothing. However, when I did some research online, I found that many people are complaining about mold developing inside their machine. This problem appears to affect all brands of front loaders. I know someone who is getting rid of her front loader because the mold problem is very bad, and she decided to go back to a top loader. Costumer support didn’t know how to solve the problem. It seems that no one really knows why this is happening, and how to prevent it. Another person told me that they have had their machine for years, don’t have mold, and are very happy with it… Consumer Reports briefly mentions the problem, but they recommend to leave the door open after using the machine, to use HE soap in small amounts, and they say this should prevent the mold problem. But it seems that some people still get the mold depite all those precautions…

There have been multiple posts here that discussed washer and dryers, but not that particular issue. Any opinions or advice on this?


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  1. Jim
    Thanks for all your good info, but apparently you have not read the LG owner’s manual. It makes no mention on how to deal with mold at all, even in the trouble shooting section. Plus that it does not tell you to leave the door open to prevent it from happening in the first place. It has instruction on for cleaning out hard water scale, but that is not a problem with my water. There is not even a suggested monthly maintainance regime for mold prevention.

    I now have a terrible mold problem with my LG top loader. The mold is not where it can be seen, but instead underneath several layers of the gasket where you can’t get at itvery well to clean it.

    I just talked to the customer service at LG who obviously doesn’t know how to deal with it either. After telling me that the door had to be left open and that monthly maintanence was needed to prevent mold, she couldn’t give me any for sure way not get rid of it. She suggesting several vague remedies including bleach and vinegar, but she said that I would probably just have to replace the gasket once mold got started. I was told I should try to clean up visible mold with bleach but she could not give me a recommendation for a safe concentration to use on the rubber gasket. She also suggested vinegar, as bleach is bad for our septic tank, but said that vinegar rarely works.

    I have a septic tank so can’t use bleach. Basically it seems that if you don’t regularly use bleach, or can’t use bleach to regulary sanitize the machine, that you are at a high risk for developing mold. You will have to replace the gasket each time you get mold, at the cost of $40.00 plus the cost of a repair man, basically at least $150 each time.

    LG knows this is a problem. They should address how to prevent it in their user’s manual, and their sales people should be instructed to let you know that mold control will be a problem if you can’t use bleach. Mold isn’t just an odor problem, it also can be very dangerous to your health. Maytag had to settle a class action suit for precisely the same reason. LG needs to get on the ball and let people know that the probelm exists and how to deal with it.

  2. Haven’t tried the idea of using some powdered, enzyme based dishwashing detergent to clean the front loading washer but it makes sense so I called my friend who services all sorts of appliances and he indicated that he even recommends it even though the manual doesn’t.

  3. I did all of the typical Internet research before replacing my twelve year old Sears top loading washer and matching dryer. I had heard all sorts of rumors about the front loaders not getting clothes clean, bad smelling clothes, mold, mildew, repair issues and so on.

    After narrowing it down to LG, Whirlpool and Bosch, I went with the Whirlpool Duet â„¢ washer and dryer in the 9200 series. In that brand we are talking a level below the top price point. I am confident that Bosch and LG make fine machines. LG Electronics, a South Korean company has been making front loading washers for decades. Front loaders are typical in the rest of the world—only in America do we see so many top loaders. Remember: the very first automatic washers were front loaders.

    The more you pay, the more cycles and features you get. There is a point of diminishing returns not to mention the fact that more gadgets can mean more things to go wrong. One name manufacturer has a dispenser system which you fill with detergent and bleach and it dispenses the stuff through multiple loads. A technician who services that brand informed me that the feature is—from a repair call perspective—a weak link in an otherwise fine piece of equipment.

    After decades of doing so, we all think we know how to wash clothes. The most important thing I can recommend is to READ THE OPERATORS MANUAL! Secondly, do some research and if the sales person doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about, go somewhere else. Ask whoever you buy from if they actually set up the machines or just drop them off in your laundry room. If they don’t level the machines, hand them a level and make sure they do so, which leads me to vibration.

    These machines spin at a very high RPM; 1,000 RPM is very typical while the top of the line LG machines (Tromm) spin at 1,320 which is why the clothes come out nearly dry and dry so quickly in the dryer. Mounted on a concrete floor, leveled, spaced a couple of inches apart and without the pedestals, the vibration during the spin cycle will not be an issue—these machines are remarkably quiet. Each variable you add will increase vibration. On solid flooring even with the pedestals if all else is equal, the noise factor should still be less than typical top loaders. However, on wood flooring, on a upper story in an older structure with an unbalanced load, on pedestals, unleveled and too close together—the darn thing is going too shake the house.

    HE detergent is not an option—it is a mandate! Simply using less regular detergent doesn’t work. In fact, if you read the HE detergent label it indicates that you should use barely a quarter to a third of a cap for normal loads. More detergent will not get your clothes cleaner in a front loader. Suds from conventional detergents will ultimately screw up the machine, not get your clothes clean and drastically extend the wash cycle and your energy usage because the machine has to enter a SUD cycle to get rid of the excess suds. If you use the minimum recommended detergent for most loads the HE is not more expensive than convention detergent of the same brand. Cheerâ„¢, Gainâ„¢ and Tideâ„¢ are all available in HE and more are being added.

    Throw away your fabric softener! It gunks up machines worse than any other additive—it has wax in it for gosh sak! It makes towels less absorbent. It leaves a film on the outer drum that you can’ get to to clean. If you have hard water, consider buying Calgonâ„¢ Water Softener available in the supermarket and adding it to the rinse water. You might also consider adding some 20 Mule Team Boraxâ„¢ or Borateamâ„¢ either with the detergent if you use a powder or in the bottom of the drum if you use a liquid detergent.

    Front loaders have to seal completely or the water will leak out—unlike top loaders. That means that the interior stays damp after you close the door. Leaving the door ajar for a few minutes after you remove the load will help it dry out completely. Consider keeping a spray bottle of something like Sam’s Club’s OdoBanâ„¢ and a rag next to the washer and wipe off the seal periodically—to include underneath and the front lip which faces inward. If your machine has a machine cleaning cycle, run it as recommended. The newer machines tend to have this cycle and it specifically jets water around and under the seal to clean and sanitize it thoroughly.

    If you start getting excessively long wash cycles or fault codes, it is possible that someone didn’t empty their pockets and something is clogging the pump filter which also tend to preclude complete drainage and add to the potential mold and mildew issue. If you are going to spend two to three grand for a washer dryer pair, seriously consider a service contract—$120/unit for five years in my case but you can often negotiate these down with the salesman.

    The average service call to clean out that filter is $115. If you are handy and confident, you can unplug the machine, remove three torq or hex screws on a bottom panel and do this task in a couple of minutes. I would not buy any brand in which this pump filter is not “reasonably” accessible. If you have a service contract, then they will handle the task but you may have a deductible.

    Very cold water doesn’t wash clothes very well; at 60 degrees Fahrenheit and below, detergents just don’t emulsify as it should. Most front loaders have a heater so that even if you select cold wash, it will heat the water just enough to make it work with detergent. The typical front loader uses a quarter of the water that a top loader does. If you are using cold water to save money, you’ve already save 75% of the cost of heating water for a load. Warm water will always wash better than cold.

    Mold and mildew: if you leave a wet load of clothes in a front loader overnight or all day while you are at work, you are asking for mildew problems. It’s a sealed container; unless the clothes have been sterilized or at least sanitized, it will grow mold and mildew. Use the delayed wash feature available on many machines—most will tell approximately how long the cycle will take—so that the wash cycle ends right before you leave the house or come home.

    Follow the recommendations in the manual for proper loading and mixing of items. Put your baby socks and thongs in mesh bags—they end up in the pump filter too easily. As with any washer, full loads are preferable but front loaders don’t typically handle very small loads as well as top loaders. If you need to do a small load, consider throwing in a couple of those designer towels that have been hanging in the bathroom for who knows how long. If your family insists on throwing their wet towels on the floor or shoving them in the bottom of a hamper, you are going to start with mold and mildew problems. Molds, yeasts and mildews are very hard to get rid of once they start to grow. Short of very hot water and chorine bleach, you are fighting a lost cause.

    You can try Oxycleanâ„¢, OdoBan â„¢ or Borateamâ„¢—or all three—but on fancy, designer towels you probably won’t be willing to risk either Chlorine bleach or super heated water. Drying them occasionally outside in the bright sun helps. Using soft water or a liquid softener (Calgon â„¢) may help. Getting all of the fabric softener residue out of the towels might help.

    Another approach might be to explain to family and guests that the designer towels are just for show. Go to Costcoâ„¢ or Sam’sâ„¢ and buy pure white, hotel grade towels, bathmats and washcloths. They’re really not expensive—and they are made to be washed in institutional laundries at very high temperature with both peroxide and chlorine based bleaches a high concentrations. Run them through the washer on the highest temperature possible, often called a sanitize setting.

    Washer technology had improved dramatically in the lat decade—dryer technology really hasn’t changed much. If you have gas, consider using it instead of electric; the dryers cost fifty to a hundred dollars more but in many—not all—parts of the country gas is cheaper than electricity so you will recoup the difference fairly quickly. You should be able to get information from your utility company, from a local appliance service or on line regarding the cost differential. If you live in an area where electricity is produced using coal, than electric may be break even or even cheaper. If you live in the southwest or Texas, natural gas is generally more cost effective.

    A couple of companies make hybrids—top loading without the agitator—but there seem to be issues with those machines either in design—or in the fact that people don’t know how to use them.

    In summary, assuming you can reeducate your family, the most important things you can do to prevent mold and mildew in a front loader and the resulting smelly clothes are:

    Read the manual.
    Leave the door ajar long enough for the drum to air out.
    Use HE detergent only.
    Stop using fabric softener.
    Run the machine cleaning cycle as recommended. If your machine doesn’t have one, run a regular cycle with hot water and bleach—no detergent—periodically, at least once a month or more often if you do a lot of laundry.
    Don’t leave wet clothes in the washer all day or all night.
    Follow the loading recommendations.
    If you have hard water and don’t want to/can’t install a fabric softener try using Calgon ™, Borateam™ or even baking soda in the wash water.

    We love our Whirlpool Duetâ„¢ front loader washer and dryer. Laundry room backup is a thing of the past. Comforters that used to take two hours to dry are dry in under thirty minutes. The clothes are really clean. Our electric bill has gone down. There is less lint in the dryer vent—because the clothes aren’t getting as beat up as they did by that center agitator on a conventional top loader. They are both remarkably quiet but making the switch requires some reeducation.

    When I read complaints from people who won’t read the manual, won’t allow the drum to dry after each use, refuse to use the right detergent and can’t be bothered to perform a few seconds of preventative cleaning and maintenance, I throw up my hands in frustration. If that is you—don’t buy a front loader!

  4. Miguel, look for a detergent called EcoVantage. It is HE, and is also unscented.

    If a mold problem ever develops, try running an empty cycle with the longest and hottest wash cycle. Instead of bleach or laundry detergent, use a cup of powder-based dishwashing detergent. The enzymes will (hopefully) attack any nasties growing inside the drum.

    This can also be done periodically as a maintenance precaution.

  5. Seen mixed reviews on the Bosch Axxis. I need ventless because the brain surgeons who designed my building decided they didn’t need to install a vent from the laundry room. Is the Miele really $1300 than the Bosch Axxis?

  6. At my last condo, I had a Frigidaire front-loader for 4 years before I moved. At my current condo for 5 years with a Whirlpool Duet front-loader. Not knowing anything about the risk of mold, common sense told me to leave the washer door ajar to air dry. Never noticed an odor nor mold issue with either washer. Front loaders use much less water and detergent and are gentler on your clothes, will never go back to a top-loader.

  7. I have the Bosch Axxis front-loader. I leave the door open nearly all the time, or else it starts to smell funky. And for being such an expensive machine, I don’t think it does any great job of getting my clothes clean, either.

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