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“Fateh Ali Kahn”
Slopey, My ex and I saw him at Radio City in the late 90s. I was transported. It was an amazing show. I haven’t experienced anything quite like it since!
You’re here because you are a loser! (but the very best kind! Regards to Mrs. Slopey, a pleasure to meet her recently, hope to see her again soon!)
1. Re: soul. Listen blindly (i.e. without knowledge of who the performer is, to judge whether the person is playing with what we would call soul. We bring our predispositions to listening and hear soul when we expect to hear it. It’s like experiencing red velvet cake as richer when it is only dye.
2. Also re: soul — you have to judge within a culture. To say Chinese musicians lack soul based on their performances of western music is a bit off the mark. I’ve heard some pretty soulful erhu playing. For that matter, George Harrison lacks soul on sitar.
3. You have to judge a culture’s music within its system and values. Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn and Aretha will both transport you, but to different places. Each has soul within their respective traditions.
“but am totally fine with insulting the thousands that enjoy Chinese music.”
Gem, I love you too but you have some growing up to do because no one is insulting you for liking rap. They may not agree with you- but they aren’t insulting you for your preference.
By CGar on January 10, 2011 7:40 PM
“g10, just china along is 550 Million addressable mkt and that’s growing. many dont speak or appreciate anything but chinese. just dominating that crowd would push them into globals album sales leader.”
My Wingman is right, of course. This occurred to me when this whole Chinese cultural discussion began earlier today, but I thought it was stating the obvious. Guess not. Well said m4l!
Yes agreed – if we are talking about selling them WESTERN music – however b/c I worked in that particular market – we had a really tough time selling music over there for these 2 reasons
#1 – piracy. We would send a watermarked copy of let’s say Beyonce 2 months before it would come out. Within days the damn album would be all over china. So we stopped trusting our own people and refused to send them the watermark of the album….
#2 – China’s Minister of Culture – EVERY single album that we would release in China would have to be sent to the CMC for approval with lyrics etc. I know all of you are used to dealing with numbers or whatever it is you do – try asking springsteen’s manager to hand over his lyrics 2 months early so we could get approval from China’s Minister of Culture…
it would never happen
SO effectively our chinese market would always be cannabalized by pirated music b/c we would deliver album masters late…..
However – maybe now or moving forward that could change. Also am pretty sure itunes isnt set up yet in China – well at least last year it still wasn’t set up….
Sorry to be spouting off – it’s just you guys don’t really know the complexities involved in selling music to China or what works and what doesn’t
and Bxgrl – you know I love you, but am totally fine with insulting the thousands that enjoy Chinese music. I love rap, but I bet lots of people here on the OT can’t stand it – to each their own!
Denton:
By denton on January 10, 2011 6:11 PM
g10, Americans hate jazz. They also hate Western Classical music. I believe about 3% market penetration for each. Disagree?
Jazz musicians starved here, and still do. They go where they are appreciated, which is Europe and Japan. Japan loves Jazz, all the best Blue Note released and so much more lovingly re-released on high quality vinyl.
A few weeks ago we caught Dianne Schur at JALC. Hardly anyone under 50, and almost all white people. Which is about what you see at any given jazz or classical event.
Denton – actually I was referring to the beginning of the Jazz movement in the US from the 20’s-40’s – not today. Modern Jazz has irrelevant sales in the US….
“Fateh Ali Kahn”
Slopey, My ex and I saw him at Radio City in the late 90s. I was transported. It was an amazing show. I haven’t experienced anything quite like it since!
You’re here because you are a loser! (but the very best kind! Regards to Mrs. Slopey, a pleasure to meet her recently, hope to see her again soon!)
Oy, what a butchered discussion of music.
1. Re: soul. Listen blindly (i.e. without knowledge of who the performer is, to judge whether the person is playing with what we would call soul. We bring our predispositions to listening and hear soul when we expect to hear it. It’s like experiencing red velvet cake as richer when it is only dye.
2. Also re: soul — you have to judge within a culture. To say Chinese musicians lack soul based on their performances of western music is a bit off the mark. I’ve heard some pretty soulful erhu playing. For that matter, George Harrison lacks soul on sitar.
3. You have to judge a culture’s music within its system and values. Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn and Aretha will both transport you, but to different places. Each has soul within their respective traditions.
4. I like jazz.
5. WTF am I still doing here?
“but am totally fine with insulting the thousands that enjoy Chinese music.”
Gem, I love you too but you have some growing up to do because no one is insulting you for liking rap. They may not agree with you- but they aren’t insulting you for your preference.
By CGar on January 10, 2011 7:40 PM
“g10, just china along is 550 Million addressable mkt and that’s growing. many dont speak or appreciate anything but chinese. just dominating that crowd would push them into globals album sales leader.”
My Wingman is right, of course. This occurred to me when this whole Chinese cultural discussion began earlier today, but I thought it was stating the obvious. Guess not. Well said m4l!
Yes agreed – if we are talking about selling them WESTERN music – however b/c I worked in that particular market – we had a really tough time selling music over there for these 2 reasons
#1 – piracy. We would send a watermarked copy of let’s say Beyonce 2 months before it would come out. Within days the damn album would be all over china. So we stopped trusting our own people and refused to send them the watermark of the album….
#2 – China’s Minister of Culture – EVERY single album that we would release in China would have to be sent to the CMC for approval with lyrics etc. I know all of you are used to dealing with numbers or whatever it is you do – try asking springsteen’s manager to hand over his lyrics 2 months early so we could get approval from China’s Minister of Culture…
it would never happen
SO effectively our chinese market would always be cannabalized by pirated music b/c we would deliver album masters late…..
However – maybe now or moving forward that could change. Also am pretty sure itunes isnt set up yet in China – well at least last year it still wasn’t set up….
Sorry to be spouting off – it’s just you guys don’t really know the complexities involved in selling music to China or what works and what doesn’t
and Bxgrl – you know I love you, but am totally fine with insulting the thousands that enjoy Chinese music. I love rap, but I bet lots of people here on the OT can’t stand it – to each their own!
Denton:
By denton on January 10, 2011 6:11 PM
g10, Americans hate jazz. They also hate Western Classical music. I believe about 3% market penetration for each. Disagree?
Jazz musicians starved here, and still do. They go where they are appreciated, which is Europe and Japan. Japan loves Jazz, all the best Blue Note released and so much more lovingly re-released on high quality vinyl.
A few weeks ago we caught Dianne Schur at JALC. Hardly anyone under 50, and almost all white people. Which is about what you see at any given jazz or classical event.
Denton – actually I was referring to the beginning of the Jazz movement in the US from the 20’s-40’s – not today. Modern Jazz has irrelevant sales in the US….
what’s some nice, intense classical music to listen to?
classical music is not 60’s rock, cgar.
666, huh? I am so not surprised! 😉
i was comment 666 – fuckin awesome