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December 15, 2007

Reality Check

We all know there are a number of "fucktards" who frequent the Brownstoner--who are more likely than not logged in anonymously as "guest" and who take advantage of their anonymity to be generally obnoxious. I, along with my fellow bloggers and forum posters, generally ignore them but every once in a while they bring something up that merits a response or perhaps some clarification. In this case, the recent flurry of responses to a long posting laying out the current state of the duplex in which T and I are living in our brownstone has made me realize that very few of our readers know who the hell we are, and that I need to re-evaluate why I even write this blog.

I was first inspired to write after months of reading all the other blogs and realizing that our particular situation was not represented. We are regular people, who prior to this undertaking did not have any experience or expertise in renovating or restoring brownstones. But we loved them and spent many a day walking the streets of Brownstone Brooklyn dreaming of having one of our own. Like many many many other brownstone lovers these days, we were priced out of Park Slope and Fort Greene, so our searching led us to the streets of Clinton Hill, Bed Stuy, and Crown Heights until we found the place you have been reading about.

We do not have a ton of money but we have good white-collar jobs and manage to earn, eat, pay the mortgage, and even save a little. That said, we aren't able to hire an army of contractors and get all the work done all at once while living at the Four Seasons during renovations. And here is the reality check for all the naysayers claiming we bitch too much, know too little, should've known about or expected everything we've encountered, and otherwise speak from a height of knowledge and wisdom that they apparently have occupied since birth, when they strode through the waves like Venus from the shell, armed with hammer and T-square, architectural renderings, and a rolodex full of excellent and honest contractors. The reality is that though we came into this with no background in building or renovating and while we've struggled and haven't always known the best practice or next step of each moment of our renovation, and while it would've been easier and more comfortable to try and get others to do everything and to live elsewhere while the work was being done, that's not why we bought the house and not what we were ever interested in doing in the first place. I wouldn't say we like living in these conditions but we wouldn't live anywhere else during this undertaking--even if we could afford it. When we go away for a weekend, we are always desperate to get back at the end of it. It's a sickness to be sure--but one I'd assume that most of you are afflicted with too. Owning and renovating an old house is by definition a love-hate relationship. If you live on-site and are doing as much of the work yourself as possible and love every moment of it, you either enjoy a good bondage and spanking session every now and again or know just the person to supply you with some very nice drugs--or both.

This blog was supposed to be a venue for me to VENT and to be part of a COMMUNITY. I thought perhaps the blog would get other people in like situations to post not only about their brilliant strategies and success stories, but also about planning that wasn't so successful and difficulties that arose and how they overcame problems--expected or not. And in turn, I thought our stories would be encouraging to others, since in spite of our own difficulties, unpleasant surprises, and just-plain-hardship, we continue to make what we feel are ultimately good decisions that have led to real progress and which have sustained our love for this house and our desire to continue with it until done. I thought that the community would share their knowledge and resources with us. I didn't think the hardships and frustrations that I share here would be interpreted as negative--they are all stories of powering on and through. We did not go into this renovation thinking we would do most of the work ourselves but those are the cards we have been dealt and we are playing them. I'm reminded of a something T says about his trouble-making teenage years: "I almost never set a 'good example' for my brother and sister growing up, but I sure as hell showed them what NOT to do."

Real renovation is not "Flip That House" or "Trading Spaces" or whatever personality shows are on HGTV. Real renovation is about spending 30 hours every weekend stripping wood until your hands are so raw, red, and swollen that you can barely move them--only to discover that the beautiful wood you're trying to uncover and restore is still not visible.

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Real renovation is about installing a vanity and sink and the floor beneath it falling through to the room below. A renovation of this size means there are times when you're not sure what to do first or next, where to spend your resources, how best to utilize limited time.

I never expected it would be easy but I also didn't expect it to be this hard. Sharing this with others is not whining and it doesn't make me a wimp. It makes me honest. Everyone who has ever done any renovating knows that there are days when the end seems very far away and the gameplan seems insufficient.

I have a smart-ass, cynical, and sometimes self-deprecating sense of humor. It's clear that many readers don't get that. When I say I am "chipping paint off the door like chocolate" or that our renovation pillow has had all the feathers beat out of it, I do not mean those things literally. I AM BEING FUNNY--maybe not ha-ha funny or even belly-chuckle funny, but hopefully "heh, goddamn" funny. Laugh (it relieves stress); be nice; OR

I'll have to sick my cat on ya....................

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And finally, I know I talk about a taboo subject in my blog, and evidently it scares folks and makes them uncomfortable. I think some of you need to get over it because it's an everyday reality. Renovation involves money. You need to buy materials. You need to pay for labor and expertise. You need to pay for hospital bills and the shrink (this is meant to be funny: laugh). You need to forecast and re-forecast. I talk about money because someone needs to. I am the money manager on the project and I count the money--over and over and over. The more I have the more I can do. Sometimes I want to do more with less. Often, I spend more than I want to. It seems sometimes you can spend a lot and get less than you expected in return. And unfortunately, sometimes you spend and get nothing. Those are not good days. I am sure I am not the only one who uses money (but for those of you who don't use or need it, money is a medium of exchange; US currency is green and rectangular; it has pictures of dead presidents on it (well, except for the Benjamins, and everybody knows it's all about the Benjamins). I am sure I am not the only one who has used currency in the renovation of a house. And if I am and the rest of you are out there bartering in a tax-free world, PLEASE let me join your club (though I'd rather not join one called "The Fucktards"), I'll pay you (again, this...is meant...to be...funny).

Ultimately, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. No one is forcing anyone here. And don't waste my time, your time, and everyone else's time whining about me when I could be wasting my own time working on my house or reading the advice of the otherwise helpful and friendly members of the Brownstoner community instead of responding to jerks.

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I'm with you HomeSweetStuy!

Posted by: dt at December 15, 2007 2:34 PM

Great post. Thanks for not caving to the "fucktards..." ;)

Posted by: roberto at December 15, 2007 6:01 PM

The majority of people who post comments here seem to be skewed toward the negative but there are a lot of readers who never even look at the comments but are gaining a great deal by reading your posts. I know I never used to post before I started a blog on here b/c I thought it was pointless to add the positive in the sea of nastiness. Don't forget about the silent many because of the obnoxiously loud few.

Posted by: Mrs. Limestone at December 15, 2007 10:01 PM

Hey homesweetstuy, i enjoy reading your blog and I think talking about money is one of the best parts of it. I am hoping to find me a reno project myself (since i cannot afford a complete 'stone) so you guys are totally inspiring and keep up the good work. Hopefully will contact you later about finding contractors and any useful tips. Peace and keep chipping @ that bad paint:)

Posted by: pierre de taille at December 16, 2007 12:31 AM

Oh well . You turds should of been more careful before buying that piece of shit in an even shitter hood

Posted by: guest at December 16, 2007 2:14 AM

Mrs. L.--I TOTALLY know that the majority of people who post are the helpful, friendly and sharing kind and I hope that was clear in this posting. I will be ignoring the others from here on out.

Posted by: HomeSweetstuy at December 16, 2007 11:21 AM

this reno blog and the others are one of the strongest features of this site. good call to just tune out all the naysayers (assuming there are many of them -- i often suspect there are just a couple of people that post all the negative comments here). keep up the good work.

Posted by: z at December 16, 2007 11:50 AM

I don't think that money is a verboten topic on this site. We all know how much money this costs, and many of us are wondering exactly how we are able to afford it.

This post is a slam against, it sounds like, a bunch of rich people who can't understand that you don't have the money to do the work yourself. But the people who have been leaving you negative comments are the people who are in your shoes--the ones without heat and without kitchens.

I know because I am writing this with cold fingers, huddled next to a space heater, in a construction zone myself. I kinda compulsively follow this reno blog because you are in my neighborhood, because you are doing it like we are. But it feels bad to do so. Reading your posts drains me and makes me feel bitter and tense.

Taking your advice and signing off,

--VanBurenProud

Posted by: vanburenproud at December 16, 2007 6:59 PM

I spent the weekend putting in glass tiles in my kitchen. It was hard, but it was fun, because my health didn't depend on me finishing quickly, and I wasn't waiting for some contractor to get it done. Five and half years ago I was where you guys are - trying desperately to justify my purchase of the house, and live in it while allowing a bunch of less than competent neighborhood contractors inflicted themselves on me and my bank account (one of them was recently featured destroying a new window on Brownstoner)(and at least he didn't have a smack and crack habit unlike, well...). I am not done, but the house has been livable and very pleasant for a few years. I don't think I could have written or read your blog back when I where you guys are, but I appreciate it now. I simply don't understand what your critics are talking about. Renovating on a shoe-string is hard. And depressing. But why should everything be easy? Chin up. Sometime you will be deciding what color tile to put on back splash or whether the living room needs repainting. Your blocks probably won't be South Portland or President Street. But your house will be yours.

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at December 17, 2007 3:36 PM

I agree with all of the positive people who have written. Please ignore the idiots and naysayers.

I've been in my home for several years now, and am just getting to begin to fix it up. I can't even call it renovating, because there still isn't enough money to really do what is necessary. I shudder to think what some of the people on here would write - "You painted that rough, scruffy looking old wall without getting it skim coated? How awful!"
Yep, cause it'll do for now. Next.

Long story short - I like reading all of the reno blogs, they are the last remainder of the original spirit of Brownstoner, and the part I like best. I still spend way too much time on other topics - gotta defend my hood, after all, but home is where my heart is.

Please keep on keeping on. All of you!

Posted by: Montrose Morris at December 17, 2007 4:02 PM

dear vanburenproud:
can we please hang out? thank you for pointing out that we are not rich folks with an architect, gc and a crew of 20 men working on our mega million dollar brownstone. we were fortunate enough to be able to afford an entire house, but only because it was a serious handyman special. my husband and i run our own business, which we are at 60+ hours a week and we are gut renovating a 4 story brownstone in bed stuy. this has been going on for a year and a half-kitchenless.
the south stuy bloggers are completely missing our point. it is laughable that they think we are rich, obnoxious know it alls, when they have a very similar situation as ours. our criticism is based on our personal experience. THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY CHOOSE TO COMMUNICATE THEIR EXPERIENCE IS ANNOYING, NOT THE ACTUAL BAD EXPERIENCES. we are not heartless, inconsiderate, evil "fucktards" as some might think. we felt that it was too painful to witness the south stuy bloggers trust yet another handyman/contractor who would overpromise/underdeliver. our response was not meant to be polite or encouraging. however, we were trying to be helpful with some "tough love" so to speak.
at the begining of our reno we had a small budget with not alot of cushion. we had a good idea of what we were getting into but didn't fully realize the scope of work until we started uncovering disasters hidden behind walls. sound familiar? we planned on doing most of the work ourselves but the plumbing, electrical, and masonry. we learned how to make our own floor plan and elevations. like the south stuy bloggers, we were overwhelmed with the amount of work and stress involved in a renovation, so we hired a contractor. in doing so we were hoping to bring back some sanity into our lives and at least have one room in our house "livable". we thought we had done our due diligence, getting as many estimates, referrals, and advice before we hired a contractor. once the work started, we realized we were no longer in control of our precious baby. we had 3 or 4 guys at a time hacking away at our house, while we were both at work. trust me, no one cares about the end result as much as you do, no matter how much you pay them. if a contractor senses that you do not know what you are doing, they will definitely take advantage. you must arm yourself with knowledge and be prepared to be on the jobsite all the time, even if you have deep pockets, an architect, and a general contractor. we fired our contractor halfway throught the job even though we were taking a loss and to have someone finish the job was going to cost us even more money than expected. we learned a valuable lesson that it is better to live in a construction site than to have unscrupulous "contractors" damage your home and waste your time and money. even if the south stuy folks had all the money in the world to do a full scale renovation, i don't think they realize that one of them will have to be at the jobsite full time. no matter how highly recomended or highly paid someone is, they still have to be monitored. case in point, the recent post on the windor terrace blog. it seems that she has a pretty good contractor, but she has to manage the site. i too, have symptoms of carpel tunnel syndrome from stripping layers of paint off of century old woodwork. i have my favorite pair of yellow leather work gloves and a fancy respirator that i wear especially for demolition. crow bars, snow shovels, peel away,and contractor bags have become fast friends. i've had to pee in empty buckets because we had no plumbing and shoveled debris with frozen hands and feet. so, like you, vanburenproud, i really don't want to hear about how we don't understand the misery that the south stuy bloggers are going through. we know it all too well. we are re-doing the work that was hacked in and trying to do as much work ourselves as humanly possible. we only hire people whose work we have seen and are very careful where we put our hard earned bucks.
i agree with you, their posts also make me feel bitter and tense as i sit in my construction site that i call home. that being said, thank you again for your post. best wishes and happy holidays.
sincerely,
wife of dick aka fucktard

Posted by: guest at December 17, 2007 4:54 PM

I've always thought it's important (if you like Brownstoner) to be supportive of the people who are kind enough to show their renos in progress--even if you don't like everything they're doing. You want to reinforce their efforts--they're teaching you for free, they're sharing their private space, they're going to extra trouble to shoot photos and write posts. And I think the vast majority of readers respond sincerely. Then, of course, there are the digital grafitti losers who just get off on saying provocative stuff; you have to be able to ignore those if you're going to get much out of this joint.

Appreciate your blog very much, HomeSweetStuy!


Posted by: Rehab at December 17, 2007 5:26 PM

Keep going HomeSweeetStuy! If you want a more enjoyable environment to post, try bedstuyblog. No one will call you a fucktard and if they do, they will be shouted out of the room.

I honestly believe the naysayers have never owned a house, have a mental illness that they are not aware of or don't take their medication for the illness they know they have.

I hope you keep posting. You are an inspiration.

Posted by: guest at December 17, 2007 5:49 PM

Hey fuktards - why don't you at least register on the site? Seriously, it seems odd that you can't even help create some continuity on this site by being more than "guest" [aka fuktard]. I guess I haven't spent as much time reading Southstuy's posts, so I don't really understand the animosity. Reading your posts versus Southstuy is beginning to sound like the debate between small enders and big enders in gulliver's travels (i.e. hard to really see what you are saying is the big deal). Many of us have done home style renovations without being on the job site all the time - of course that means some things got done wrong or the electrician decided to steal the tools and smoke up the profits until he came back to say it wasn't him, and I couldn't find another electrician, so I let him back on the worksite until - oh you get the point. Many of us (and I assume you as well) have things called jobs. So we make compromises, we deal with the dust - we hope we aren't killing our kids.

And would you mind putting paragraphs in your long ass epistles.

P.S. And who would want to hang out with such sanctimonious prigs? (And if you are my friends Dave and Meg - sorry and I'll bring the salad on Saturday.)

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at December 17, 2007 7:22 PM

dear putnam denizen:
please do me the favor of reading their blog before you start blasting me.

Posted by: guest at December 17, 2007 8:20 PM

Guest? Who is guest?

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at December 17, 2007 10:07 PM

Okay I've scanned their posts again, and I have to say, I really don't get "guest''s and "vanbuernproud"'s disgust with Homesweetstuy's reno blog. I guess we all read into things differently, but I appreciate the reality of it all, and their willingness to be vulnerable. The disconnect between the critics and what I am reading in the blog is so great, tho. So I am confused.

So I will return to waiting for my "scorer-breaker" which I ordered on line. Isn't it weird that everyone will sell you tile, but won't sell you the tools to cut it? Is it some sort of conspiracy to keep us from installing our own tile?

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at December 17, 2007 10:21 PM

total retarded workup

stick to the topic - less ranting more posting about the work.

Posted by: guest at December 18, 2007 8:11 AM

I see the fucktards' point. I follow this blog because they're doing it like I am, by myself. It's more interesting to me than the folks who are documenting how they told their contractor "this" and wound up with "that." Bo-ring!

But if I worked _half_ as much on my house as this blog whined, then maybe I would have a fully functioning kitchen myself, he he!

It's hard to watch the people you think are going to represent to Brownstoner as the hardy diy crew do nothing but bitch and moan...

Posted by: guest at December 18, 2007 11:22 PM

loved your comment guest 11:22. i do not want them representing the diy crowd. it's an embarassment and a shame.

Posted by: guest at December 19, 2007 11:34 PM

Like reading your blog as a cross section of D-I-Y across the USA. Imagine how it must be in New Orleans! One radio show documented the floodwaters coming within three inches of some old Sea Saint Studios Preservation Hall Band master tapes.

Money ain't no taboo subject! Gimme drama! Gimme termite damage! Gimme little triumphs stripping paint! I love it all.

Posted by: akryeguy at December 25, 2007 1:41 AM

Hey, I just found your blog today, so forgive me for a late comment on an old argument.... Anyway, I have to say that I enjoyed catching up with your renovation project. My husband and I just bought a newish house and the little things we've done so far have required a lot of work and a surprisingly large amount of $$. So suffice it to say that I appreciate the fact that you're documenting your project so I can experience it vicariously! I love to see something formerly lovely polished up to a new shine!
-- Lynne

Posted by: guest at January 10, 2008 5:29 PM

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