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November 18, 2009
Wood floor disaster
Our floor guy put a sealer, Golden Oak Minwax stain, and three coats of water-based satin finish polyurethane on our pine floors. They looked absolutely beautiful -- a very even shade of medium brown. But we were concerned the satin finish wouldn't be strong enough for soft pine floors, so he suggested one more coat of high gloss. Though now he says he used semi-gloss. Anyway, so we saw the floors today, and now they are too dark and the color has changed. They look orange, purple, and yellow. Plus the finish is uneven, so they are shiny in some parts, matte in others, and look like someone spilled sticky candy in places. It is totally unacceptable, we have already paid him most of the balance, and we have to move Tuesday. He says he will come back Monday and buff out the semigloss and put down one more coat of satin. He swears the color and finish will be like before. I am dubious. Anyone know? Anyone had this problem before?
November 13, 2009
Venting Sink
We have a sink with no vent. It had one originally going all the way to the roof but someone disconnected it and filled the vent with tar.
The sink waste line does connect to the main waste line in the house, which I presume/hope!!! has its own vent.
Do we need to vent this sink, and how do we do it, who does it, and how many billions will it cost? The sink is near an outside wall.
Filling Gaps in Wood Floor?
Anyone know if it's OK to put wood filler between all the floor boards in a wood floor to close gaps? Various online sources say no, including Reader's Digest. However, my floor guy who has ten years of experience says it's fine.
The supposed danger is cupping or boards popping out of place -- or creation of worse gap problems -- as the wood expands and contracts i the summer months.
November 5, 2009
Housecleaning Cooperative
Apparently Brooklyn is home to a worker-owned house cleaning business called Si Se Puede! (Yes, We Can!), a worker-owned remodeling business called We Can Fix It!, and another worker-owned childcare business called Beyond Care. Anyone ever used any of these?
These kind of structures can be nominal (profit sharing checks of $2 a year) or involve interminable, pointless meetings, but it's gotta be slightly better than minumum wage.
November 4, 2009
Cost of Plumbing for Washer?
About a month ago I got a quote from a well-known plumbing company to replace a leaking waste pipe and install all the plumbing needed for a washing machine. Quote was about $1,800. High, but OK.
Today they arrive and tell me the quote does not include plumbing for the supply line. WHAT!? And that will be an additional $850.
Mind you, the water lines are right there. We are talking about a few inches of copper pipe.
From the very beginning, we said "install washing machine, replace leaking waste pipe." They also said "install washing machine." We did not say "install washing machine, but oh by the way make sure it has no water and is not usable."
WTF? How much should a washing machine cost to install? This is freaking ridiculous. I could buy a used Honda for $3,000.
October 28, 2009
Dumpster Details?
Could anyone tell me how far in advance you need to rent a dumpster, if the dumpster company handles parking permits, and if you can arrange for it to be delivered and picked up in a 24-hour window so the neighbors don't use it. And about how much it costs, and any companies you would recommend? Or should I just throw out 200 bags of trash over 40 weeks?
October 19, 2009
Desperately seeking painter
I know this is a ridiculous question, but are there any regular posters on here who could recommend a painter?
I know four terrific guys -- they are all busy.
I am looking for a one-man operation (with helpers) who is fast, cheap, experienced, and neat. This is for next week in Bed Stuy.
October 9, 2009
Best floor for 1890s bath?
Insta-poll for all the design experts here: Our 1890s bathrooms have original beadboard wainscotting, wood floors, wall hung sinks, and incredibly heavy clawfoot tubs with fixed-length plumbing. The floors are going to be very wet all the time. Should we expose the wood floors, use 2-inch hexagonal unglazed porcelain tile a la the 1890s, or cover with vinyl sheet flooring? We originally had our hearts set on real linoleum, but it's outrageously pricey at $30 a square foot installed.
October 8, 2009
Source for Old Table?
Can anyone recommend a source for old Victorian kitchen tables? Could be in Brooklyn, Pennsylvania, etc. We need a hugely sturdy workhouse that can take tons of chopping and pounding, because we are actually going to be using it as the Victorians would, as a kitchen island, because we have zero counters in our kitchen. And of course cheaper is always better.
October 5, 2009
Gas Pipe Problems
Our electricians want us to bring in a plumber to shut off the gas that feeds the light fixtures AND saw off the pipes that hang down a few inches past the ceiling in every fixture.
Questions: We have at least nine to saw off if not more. Isn't this going to take forever and won't the plumber charge us an arm and a leg? Also, will we be destroying our ability to hang other types of light fixtures later?
Unfortunately, we don't have enough old fixtures to cover the pipe length.
Also, anyone recommend a plumber for this? We have to do it this week, which is crazy.
Author's Comments
mopar wrote a review about Le Barricou on November 20, 2009 4:49 PM
Never tried it. I'm afraid of the Disney theme park French decorating scheme -- what if the food is similar?
That Bed Stuy house sounds intriguing (no photos yet). I am pretty sure it's one block from the projects (on Bainbridge), but maybe that's not a problem.
Posted by: mopar at November 20, 2009 4:35 PM in response to Open House Picks
Yup. A licensed plumber will know the code requirement. Discuss what can be done, how much it will cost, whether it will be filed or needs to be filed.
FWIW, in my old 1930s coop in Queens, I am pretty sure the dryers vented out the wall to the yard. There sure seemed to be a lot of air and such blowing out there.
Posted by: mopar at November 20, 2009 4:25 PM in response to Dryer Venting Help
Yes, everything is fine in moderation. Didn't know about the Olivino tasting.
Posted by: mopar at November 20, 2009 12:17 AM in response to House of the Day: 540 Bergen Street
To tell you the truth, the only things that are serious and that the city will compel him to fix are the roaches and no hot water. Also, for the roaches, all he's required to do is pay for an exterminator. They won't actually eliminate the roaches, especially if the problem is being created by tenants.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:20 PM in response to Contacting Landlord
End of story here: We called two more places and got quotes that were more like $10 or $11 a square foot installed. We are going with Marmoleum in the kitchen, vinyl sheet flooring in the baths.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:16 PM in response to Best floor for 1890s bath?
Sorry to reply so slowly. I have to measure my bathroom and haven't had a chance yet.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:10 PM in response to Magnificent 3-Sided tub Redo
Ours has a little chip in the glass (outside), and there's a depression on one side that holds water for days, and it probably drips down into the attic. How do you fix such little things?
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:09 PM in response to Skylite heat loss
What about that plastic stuff you shrink wrap on with a hair dryer? Though maybe you're saying the inside is not reachable.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:08 PM in response to Skylite heat loss
You must get a 203K. As of July, you could do it with only 3.5 percent down -- but that was on a conforming loan and this is more. And yes, you have to live in it. Adam is right, call Wells Fargo, they do a lot of 203K loans. Anyway, sounds like a world-class hassle. Will take one or two years to renovate.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 5:06 PM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
OMG, Brenda, you have my sympathies. Thank goodness we have no trees on our street.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:58 PM in response to Broken Sewer Main
920K is "ridiculously inexpensive"? I don't think so.
Most of these siding houses are shitholes. (I live in one.) Buy one in Bushwick, they're only $400,000.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:56 PM in response to Brooklyn Sales: Under a Million
OMG, how did they get into my house!?
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:49 PM in response to Thursday Blogwrap
This is a pretty impressive place. I really like it. But I agree owners will want a duplex with parlor floor, garden, etc. They won't want to live in just an apartment. We faced exactly this decision when we were looking (at 1/4 the prices!).
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:48 PM in response to House of the Day: 540 Bergen Street
I am puzzled by the layouts. This house appears to be an original three-family, not to have been chopped up into three units later. One of the giveaways is the dish cupboard next to the fireplace in the rear bedroom in the top two units. Apparently this was originally a flex-bedroom/dining room. Maybe the bathroom and kitchen were originally flipped, with a back hallway to the yard or a deep closet off the main hall or something.
A very unusual re-do with the extremely high quality finishes and not-bad-seeming new layouts. But you'd have to see in person if it works.
I wouldn't know what to do with the double dining space -- maybe turn the area near the back entrance into a home office.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:36 PM in response to House of the Day: 540 Bergen Street
I gotta ask: See the bathroom with the pedestal sink and clawfoot tub? It also has beadboard and, if I am not mistaken, wood floors.
This look has become incredibly trendy all of a sudden (viz. Rita Konig, Katy Elliott, etc.). It also happens to be EXACTLY what our bathrooms were originally and still are. (Wallpaper too.)
But does anyone think this is remotely practical?
Our bathrooms are very small, which means steamy, and the tubs are right against the wall. It would be a rare person who wouldn't splash some water on the wall and floor.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:23 PM in response to House of the Day: 540 Bergen Street
I see a 1908-ish washdown toilet. NICE!
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:18 PM in response to House of the Day: 540 Bergen Street
DH ha ha ha ha!
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:14 PM in response to Closing Bell: Crash Time in Williamsburg
DIBS, our floor guy can't try until Monday because we have other work and deliveries scheduled (he has other work too). Then we're moving Tuesday. Ai yi yi. Maybe we should leave moving until the very last second -- Wednesday.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 4:13 PM in response to 150 Bond Finally Sells—For a Loss
Or sing to Norah Jones. Carolling, anyone?
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 3:45 PM in response to 150 Bond Finally Sells—For a Loss
I was kind of joking, no serious disasters today (yet) just the usual delays forgetting materials etc. etc.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 3:44 PM in response to 150 Bond Finally Sells—For a Loss
Thank you so much everyone. I hope you are right. Watch -- now we'll end up with 2.5 coats of satin and it will all wear off in six months.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 3:42 PM in response to Wood floor disaster
Hey, aren't you forgetting someone? Sorry I couldn't post earlier, I was out supervising more unforeseen disasters in the wreck I bought with ill-gotten gains from the bubble.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 3:02 PM in response to 150 Bond Finally Sells—For a Loss
Thanks, Traditionalmod. Someof those places we havnt tried yet. Re the first one you tried, sounds like Dumont. The prices have gone up and the chef is now at Rye, so sadly it's not as incredible as it used to be.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 10:00 AM in response to Closing Bell: Yellow Hook?
Bankers scrounge under the seats of their rented cars for change? Wow they don't leave anything on the table.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 9:50 AM in response to Open Thread
Incidentally, we uncovered wallpaper like this in one of our bathrooms. I can't tell if it's original or slightly later such as teens or twenties. The color scheme is pink and maroon. The bathrooms have plumbing outside the walls, beadboard, and vinyl composition tile with asbestos from the 50s/60s/70s over wooden floorboards. I assume this replaced linoleum tiles. It's pretty difficult to get any other flooring in there without removing the tub and plumbing, though we are attempting to install sheet vinyl in the upstairs bath today.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 8:06 AM in response to Beneath the Surface
Minard, don't you remember? You were alive back then. But I understand if you only frequented the homes of the weathy. We have a very humble two family with 2.5 original bathrooms. They are very small and never contained tile. If you google very hard, you will find a British historical site that describes the typical "middle class" bathroom of this period as one that contained beadboard, wallpaper -- sometimes with a printed pattern imitating tile -- and linoleum tile.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 7:59 AM in response to Beneath the Surface
Careful the vibrations from jackhammering the concrete don't cause the main stack to fail. Maybe talk to a plumber first, see what he advises.
Posted by: mopar at November 19, 2009 7:32 AM in response to Cost of Bathroom in Basement
Minard, linoleum is made of linseed oil and wood pulp. It has been available in tile or sheet form since it was invented in the 19th century. Linoleum tiles were the standard floor covering in inexpensive bathrooms of the 1890s. Only from the 50s through the 70s did vinyl floor covering contain asbestos.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 1:37 PM in response to Beneath the Surface
No way! No way! No way! If this were two floorthroughs, I'd say it's the best deal in the Slope and probably incite a bidding war. But it appears to be a triplex composed of basically three rooms and some change stacked on top of each other. Crazee!
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 1:26 PM in response to Co-op of the Day: 85 8th Avenue, #3R
Sweet justice, DH.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 11:10 AM in response to Open Thread
What are the problems?
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 11:07 AM in response to Contacting Landlord
A spectacular find. Congratulations. I love this kind of tile.
Also, if you need any replacement tile, American Restoration Tile in Arkansas will make an exact copy for you.
If that linoleum is the real thing (not vinyl) it's very unlikely to contain asbestos. In fact, maybe you already knew this which is why you ripped it out.
If you want, you can have it tested. You drop off a piece in a plastic bag in Long Island City, I forget the name. I think it's $80 or $100 for the first piece but $20 after that or something, I forget.
If it does contain asbestos, you're supposed to wet the linoleum to reduce dust and wear the correct rating of mask (I think it's N100 or P100), double bag everything, then dispose of clothes and take shower and wash hair. Too late now.
Also, I heard the black glue dissolves with hot water, but I never tried it myself.
If you have rigid tiles, vinyl flooring, or vinyl wall coverings in your house, it's a good idea to have a little piece tested before you start ripping them out.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 11:02 AM in response to Beneath the Surface
Susan, that is a nice tub. Did you get rid of it already? Does it come with all its hardware? Is the drain outside the tub? Thanks!
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:53 AM in response to Magnificent 3-Sided tub Redo
If you get your security back, hopefully you are out only one month's double rent and the cost of moving ($600 to $800 for those of us who pay professionals to do it). Hopefully you get your security back. But it seems most landlords in this city think they are entitled to keep all of it, regardless of damages. That sticks in my craw. I have never paid a broker though.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:50 AM in response to Open Thread
Hey, thank you so much everyone! Yes, it is kind of stressful -- especially seeing water leaks dripping down three floors when you thought you fixed that already. DH says 90 percent of my conversation is now about one catastrophe or another that has or could befall us. (Yesterday, me: "You know, by having renters, we could be inviting bedbugs into our house...")
Speaking of full catastrophe living, I see the Toren's tagline is "iconic living." What the heck is that supposed to mean?
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:42 AM in response to Open Thread
This looks like a new part. Start inquiring at the plumbing supply closest to you. If they don't have it, they may know who does.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:31 AM in response to Faucet Spray Head Replacement
Correct. You do not need a broker. There really is no such thing as a buyer's broker in NYC. They represent the seller. And in some areas or in some instances, having a broker can hurt you since some agents will favor buyers without them since then they can keep the full commission themselves. Also, in my experience, it is rare to find a broker who will be able to find listings you won't or search better than you can. I'd say the best reason to have a buyer's broker is if you are living outside the area while looking. And then I'd find one who specializes in this and pay their fee myself.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:30 AM in response to Need a Broker to Buy?
Most of the square foot prices quoted here are for gut renovations. You may not need a gut renovation. Just because a place is old does not mean it needs to be gutted. Just because it may need a new kitchen does not mean the whole place has to be gutted. In fact, if it is old and the look of the place appeals to you, you may not want to gut it.
Depending on the skill of those you hire, gutting a place may make it end up looking like a poor quality new construction condo. Also, it's just not necessary unless the plaster all crumbles to bits when you touch it or the place is soaked in water damage from no roof for years.
If you want to completely remake a house and you want to gut something, you may want to look into buying a shell.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:25 AM in response to Need help
Mmm, Williamsburg restaurants. I think Williamsburg has a great restaurant scene. I would much rather eat there than in Manhattan. Traditionalmod, what are your favorites?
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:19 AM in response to Closing Bell: Yellow Hook?
I'm sitting in the office surrounded by books. I see we have a copy of "Full Catastrophe Living." This is a well-known favorite among book dealers because it sells quickly and for a good price and because of the bizarre title. (It's about mind over body.)
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:12 AM in response to Open Thread
Hi. I'm on vacation for two weeks trying to de-gross the new house enough to move into it. As soon as we fix one leak we spring another. No plumbing or heat. Kind of scary. But I have discovered the wonder that is the shop vac. Sucks up 100 years of mice roach plaster dust. We borrowed one, but I like it so much I might ask for one for Christmas/birthday. Isn't that romantic? We have been so busy trying to fix the house, I haven't had time to post on Brownstoner. Isn't that sad?
Rob, what causes "high cholesterol" is controversial right now. I see Brownstoners are on the cutting edge of science. Expert Texpert had good advice.
I think nicotine gum is almost as wonderful as shop vacs.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 10:09 AM in response to Open Thread
Oh, Italiana, what about Tanoreen, the um is it Turkish restaurant, in Bay Ridge? That is one of the best New York restaurants. I'd been meaning to try it for years, and finally went for lunch after ordering linoleum, of all things. Was very good. Definitely worth a trip. I might have noticed they don't have alcohol, though, not sure. That's a drawback.
Posted by: mopar at November 18, 2009 12:00 AM in response to Closing Bell: Yellow Hook?
Ooh I like that idea.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 7:57 PM in response to Last Week's Biggest Sales
You may as well suck on an exhaust pipe. No amount of discount is worth it.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 7:46 PM in response to House of the Day: 121 Rapelye Street
Uggers. I used to live here and am totally underwhelmed by the charm. It's too close to the BQE. It's far from the subway. There are no decent grocery stores. As Minard says, this is a rental property. Figure about $7,500 in rental income a month. Eh.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 2:48 PM in response to House of the Day: 121 Rapelye Street
Well, actually, it's a few other things too. Like, say, beautiful hardwood floors and finishes on your side of the neighborhood! Cheap pine on mine.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 1:54 PM in response to Brooklyn Sales: Under a Million
Mario, Mario, ha ha ha! I'm just saying that so far according to published statistics, Park Slope is on average down less than (for example) the subprime area where I live, where average prices are down 40 percent since peak June 2006. I ain't predicting the future. Park Slope is a very desirable area for many people.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 1:51 PM in response to Co-op of the Day: 130 8th Avenue, #7C
Google this question on the Forum. Someone recently posted about a firm that perfectly matched the impossible-to-duplicate parquet floor she had -- at a low price acceptable to her landlord.
Posted by: mopar at November 17, 2009 1:46 PM in response to Wood Flooring
Responses to Author's Forum Comments
From what you're describing, it's priced too high (way too high), unless it's in prime PS. (Your post-reno comps make me think it's not.) Not only will you have the costs of repairs, but also the time and carrying costs while you obtain the necessary permits. If you've never done a substantial renovation, there's a learning curve. Everything may go great, without a hitch, and entirely within budget, but I wouldn't rely on that. Building priced too high, renovation estimates priced too low.
Posted by: vinca at November 20, 2009 12:38 AM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
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Posted by: OldManSam at November 20, 2009 1:40 AM in response to Wood floor disaster
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Posted by: OldManSam at November 20, 2009 1:43 AM in response to Need help
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Posted by: OldManSam at November 20, 2009 1:44 AM in response to Need help
Ah what a man of such little faith you are daveinbedsty! I know people like you just over a year ago were saying home prices could never go down in Brooklyn. I know it is hard to swallow your pride and admit being dumb.
Posted by: hannible at November 20, 2009 9:44 AM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
Vinca,
Thanks for the input.
I agree that the building has a potential to create many costly surprises. As you say: "Everything may go great, without a hitch, and entirely within budget, but I wouldn't rely on that."
Posted by: brownlime at November 20, 2009 10:26 AM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
Brownlime - you should talk to a good mortgage broker. A lot of banks used to lend on properties like this (my house was virtually uninhabitable when I bought it, and I had no issues with financing), but lending standards have changed in the last 2 years, so you may need to put more money down as the assessed value will err on the low side. In any event, if you buy the house in the low/mid 900's you would be looking at a conforming mortgage ($729K for single family, $934 for 2 family), which makes life easier.
You definitely should get in there with a contractor prior to making an offer to get a better sense of the actual condition, and price it accordingly. The estimates you've been given are reasonable ballparks, $100k per floor to gut, rewire, replumb, and refinish, but you'll need to throw in $50-70K for replacing all the roof, roof joists, etc. The only real unknown will be damage to the joists on the floors below, and you won't know that until you get in there with a crew.
In short, talk to a good broker and don't rely on anything you read on this forum.
Posted by: wyckoff at November 20, 2009 1:02 PM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
Saw the house. Its in central park slope between 5th and 6th ave on 2d street, closer to 6th avenue. 20 foot wide brownstone in ps 321. nice block. thought about it but don't have stamina for a building in that rough shape. could be a bargain, though. i'd get an inspector in there to give you a structural report. The seller should be able to get the electricity going before inspection by the bank, and then you may get it judged habitable (although the seller is obviously incapable of doing anything if he/she let it be shown in this condition -- talk to seller's broker). once financed, the most basic of gut renos should cost around $300-400K. if you buy for less than $1M, that should be sufficient cushion.
Posted by: NeedaPatio at November 20, 2009 2:51 PM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
To piggyback on SamDTR's question. How about the finance side of having a rental property, particularly if you have a a business partner with whom you bought the property with, do you need to set up a LLC. Does anyone have any insight on that aspect? Thanks
Posted by: YEM at November 20, 2009 4:04 PM in response to Becoming a Landlord
Thanks wyckoff and NeedaPatio.
Wyckoff- It's good to hear that financing might be possible. A friend told me he got regular financing on the home he bought this year even though the home was of questionable habitability. I also like this advice you gave: "don't rely on anything you read on this forum." Made me laugh. (I wouldn't rely on it, but it's helpful and informative nevertheless.)
But why do you suggest getting a contractor before making an offer? Before I hire a contractor, why not see if the buyer would accept my offer. My offer wouldn't be binding. Otherwise, I'd be wasting my money paying the contractor. Right?
NeedaPatio- You are correct. That's the house I'm referring to. And I think you're also correct that the seller is incapable of doing anything such as getting the electricity working. And you're also right that it would take a lot of stamina to have this place renovated. It would be a big project.
Posted by: Pigeon at November 20, 2009 4:31 PM in response to Habitable? Financing? Time-Bomb?
We had a long walk around here one Sabbath with DH's mother, who grew up in the area before it was Hasidic. Someone had removed the stoop from her brownstone and put in a balcony -- looked horrendous. It was very peaceful with no cars on the street, and everyone strolling around in groups chatting. We checked out some of the stores and they are full of Hasidic clothing with very unlikely designer labels, notably Juicy. We saw quite a bit of the Burberry plaid pattern. Also mentions of Chanel and St. John. The clothes themselves were actually quite beautiful, with sumptuous trims such as pleats and ribbons. Everyone was dressed quite beautifully. I particularly remember three girls all wearing black velvet skirts. We couldn't figure out if Jewish private label clothing companies are comissioning Hasidic style clothing with fake labels from Chinese factories or what. In the case of Bennetton, it's probably legit. Anyone can be a Bennetton franchise and the owner does the buy, so it could be a Hasidic or Orthodox owner who is picking out the dark, long-sleeved clothing.
Posted by: mopar at November 20, 2009 5:01 PM in response to Huh? Benetton for Bed Stuy Stretch of Bedford Avenue