Death before residential

Posted by: havelc at November 9, 2009 10:59 AM in response to Dustup Over Red Hook Concrete Plant Continues

IMBY, do you charge a per hour rate?

Posted by: havelc at November 5, 2009 10:11 AM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

I didn't know there were so many fiscally conservative Republicans on Brownstoner. Normally in NYC I'm used to hearing about how government dollars spent in the private sector, or to stimulate "shovel-ready" projects is a good thing for jobs, or has a GDP multiplier of 1.5.

Posted by: havelc at November 2, 2009 11:55 AM in response to Uncertainty, Skepticism Around Arena Bond Offering

And yes-- Mr. B seems unsure at times of the Prospect Heights boundaries.

Flatbush-to-Washington and Eastern Pkwy-to-Atlantic with border zones existing on those streets between Park Slope, the Park itself, Crown Heights and Ratnerville.

Posted by: havelc at October 26, 2009 1:58 PM in response to New Grocery and Coffee Shop To Open on Underhill

I'm sure Sammy (corner store operator) will be alright. There's a lot more demand for food, groceries, restaurants etc. in Prospect Heights than there is supply.

Posted by: havelc at October 26, 2009 1:53 PM in response to New Grocery and Coffee Shop To Open on Underhill

Can we not call it DoBro? Please Mr. B? Pretty please? Keep whack abbreviations out of Brooklyn.

Posted by: havelc at October 13, 2009 10:43 AM in response to 1,500 Rental Units for DoBro

for what it's worth, my friend who lives in the bldg told me that the story was reported back in May and to get the numbers it did in terms of percent sold relied on counting apt units in floors not yet sold, not counting those under contract on those unfinished floors and bc. it was written in May didn't have up-to-date figures.

as for design, i happen to like the looks of it. but if you don't like modern design that's your right, though it's definitely not out of context with the neighborhood... there are plenty of taller buildings on grand army plaza, and OPP is roughly the same size as most of Eastern Pkwy.

Posted by: havelc at September 28, 2009 9:53 AM in response to The Darkness at Richard Meier's Brooklyn Tower

So, as a thought experiment-- and maybe we should kick this out to Mr. B as some sort of Brownstoner heals Brooklyn contest-- what would (hypothetically) a stadium that didn't destroy all of Brooklyn for all time look like?

Totally detach the idea from the specific example of Atlantic Yards-- but I'd be interested to see what sort of ideas the Brownstoner community could come up with. Maybe they'll be superior to what they have, and the developers would incorporate our suggestions.

Either way, it would negate the completely crazy and unfounded notion held by some that the DDD people are just anti the idea of a stadium project for its own sake

Posted by: havelc at September 15, 2009 9:50 AM in response to Atlantic Yards Arena: Subject to Change

bxgirl-- absolutely not my point. I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the architecture.

Here is my point: every time they release a new rendering of what this stadium will look like, people on these boards go completely nuts with why the building is incredibly ugly, coming up with some hackneyed analogy. It's gotten to the point now, where they could resurrect Frank Lloyd Wright, Daniel Burnham, and William Van Alen, have them design an arena and everyone would say it's the ugliest building ever.

So, given that the people on this board are starting to sound like Republicans before Obama gives a speech on anything-- I'm merely asking for the architectural giants on this board to suggest something that wouldn't suck...

Posted by: havelc at September 15, 2009 9:46 AM in response to Atlantic Yards Arena: Subject to Change

New rule:

If you're going to knock the architecture of this development you must first provide your own superior rendering. I don't give a damn about the AY project any more, or if it happens, but all the chatter on Brownstoner about "reflecting the neighborhood," "built to scale," "looks like a barn/airport/Disneyland/37th century cold fusion plant" every time a new design is released is getting really irritating.

Really though-- with regards to this project and the architectural whines of this crowd, many of you are verging on self parody.

Posted by: havelc at September 15, 2009 9:36 AM in response to Atlantic Yards Arena: Subject to Change

snowboardqueen-- excellent point.

Rogers at Sterling is a major stretch already, no need for Mr. B to go as far as Nostrand & Pacific.

As for Bergen & Franklin--

Anytime you have to ask yourself, "which is closer, the Franklin or the Park shuttle stop?" Well my friend, you are in Crown Heights.

Prospect Heights has relatively simple boundaries, Flatbush, Atlantic, Eastern Pkwy, Washington

Posted by: havelc at August 24, 2009 4:45 PM in response to Rental Picks: Prospect Heights

WonTon, I'm not saying the Chinese landlord is a bad guy. I'm saying I understand why he wouldn't want to rent to someone who doesn't speak Chinese.

But my point is that there's no why in discrimination. It's not about casting people as good or bad or having misapprehensions about their justifications, it's simply was a specific individual ruled against (by company, landlord, boss etc.) on the basis of their race, class, language etc.

While I wouldn't judge the Chinese landlord individually for preferring a Chinese speaking landlord, it's the job of the government to prevent him from denying access to someone from another group.

Posted by: havelc at August 21, 2009 12:54 PM in response to Immigrant Groups Fight Sunset Park Rezoning

"Based on my experience as a renter in Hong Kong, I can tell you that a lot of Chinese landlords do feel reluctant to rent to a non-Chinese speaking person. It isn't a matter of racism, but of communication--they would rather deal with a tenant they can communicate easily with."

The problem with this logic WonTon is that its the basis for almost all discrimination. Yes there are hardcore racists out there, but the vast majority of racism exists, and is perpetuated by the notion of helping/assisting/preferring people who are "like you" in some way.

I'm sure the Chinese landlord doesn't hate the black, white or Latino applying for the apt., and that it would be easier for him/her to just let the place to a Chinese speaker, but that's why we have anti-discrimination laws. Discrimination usually isn't intentional or malicious, it's just the easier path.

Posted by: havelc at August 21, 2009 12:29 PM in response to Immigrant Groups Fight Sunset Park Rezoning

It's Gowanus. Amazing how being next to a Superfund site hurts values.

Posted by: havelc at July 27, 2009 6:05 PM in response to Condo of the Day: 505 Court Street, #10C

"But I will comment that "limited availability pricing" is not at all limited. Do they really think someone is going to pay more than recent in-building comps in a falling market?"

Lechacal-- I think you're half right. Obviously prices will be negotiable given the market... but as I recall the limited availability pricing was for the lower floor units at the front of the building where every pedestrian can see in. They totally mispriced those half-dozen units. I would never want to live in one of those second thru fourth floor units front of the building units. The higher floors, if I had the money, maybe. It'll be tough to claim that the same floorplan, on the 8th floor, is a comp.

Posted by: havelc at July 22, 2009 12:11 PM in response to OPP Hits the 50-Percent Sales Mark

To the point about Fannie and Freddie-- the new regulations won't affect OPP at all because Fannie and Freddie's conforming loan limit is below the cheapest place in that building. No one who buys in OPP could have gotten an F&F mortgage at any time anyway.

Posted by: havelc at July 22, 2009 12:07 PM in response to OPP Hits the 50-Percent Sales Mark

At this point, you really have to ask what dark lord the DDDB people have a connection to such that they can continue to lose on the same grounds and continue to get new court dates.

Posted by: havelc at June 30, 2009 2:39 PM in response to Court of Appeals Will Hear AY Eminent Domain Case

Not to be the dark cloud, but this is a total pyrrhic victory. Kelo v. New London still allows FCR and Brooklyn the right to eminent domain for private development. Which, again, is why FCR has won every single challenge to AY.

The Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court, unanimously rejected the eminent domain challenge. Sadly (for some on this board) we are still a nation of laws and Kelo v. New London means Ratner can build.

I can't wait to see what f*cking architectural downgrade we get now.

Posted by: havelc at June 30, 2009 2:29 PM in response to Court of Appeals Will Hear AY Eminent Domain Case

They've already got ads on the interiors and exteriors of all the subway cars... if it helps keep the fares down, I'm cool with whatever they want to sell in a train station.

Sadly, I doubt this will stem fare increases. At least they haven't sold off the Brooklyn Bridge yet to private financiers like Patterson said they would.

Posted by: havelc at June 24, 2009 12:04 PM in response to More Naming Rights for Barclay's

At least from what Streeteasy suggests their absorbsion rate is, I don't think the building can rent out properties... this must be someone who bought one renting it out.

Posted by: havelc at June 23, 2009 12:23 PM in response to Apartment for Rent at Meier's OPP

They seem to be selling many of the properties at the back of the building as well as on higher floors. From walking by there, however, the low floor units that are on Plaza Steet East are not selling.

Of course that makes total sense. The glass looks nice, but who would want to be in the units where pedestrians gaze in?

Posted by: havelc at June 23, 2009 11:43 AM in response to Apartment for Rent at Meier's OPP

The hipsters represent a small part of the community board-- not to mention that if they're trustafarians the don't have income... they just have access to money-- which is a HUGE difference.

Posted by: havelc at June 23, 2009 11:36 AM in response to Williamsburg Hipsters Aren't All Rich Kids After All

The whole problem with DDD is that they continued to sue on the basis of eminent domain-- which was only ever meant as a delay tactic because there was no way they could win.

All you yahoos who whine about eminent domain abuse please read Kelo v. City of New London, a Supreme Court case settled in 2005-- the case which essentially determined that Ratner would win (and he did) every single court challenge. While I don't agree with that case, or eminent domain for private business, its the ruling precedent and once the Supreme Court refused to hear the AY case in June of 2008 it meant there was no legitimate way DDD could stop AY.

Especially from June 2008 on, their strategy was playing a game of chicken with the financing environment. At that point they had no more legit way to stop AY and so they should have given up. Because they didn't is why we're saddled with a worse deal now than we would have gotten then.

It would be like your spouse went to Vegas, got into a high stakes poker hand, had 30k on the table and then the last card dropped and it went from a situation where they might have won to where there was zero chance to win. If, at that point, they raised the pot 20k more (knowing they couldn't win) you can certainly be pissed off about that last 20k-- even if the first 30k was a rational, well planned bet.

After June 2008, DDD bet on an empty bluff and so everything that changed from the city's bargaining position in June 08 to now is entirely their fault.

Posted by: havelc at June 23, 2009 10:35 AM in response to MTA Finance Committee Approves New Ratner Deal

Sorry for making that overly complicated.

Put more simply:

Neither the city, nor developers have the ability to build affordable housing completely by themselves.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 5:22 PM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

Bxgirl,

'" The city can't afford to do it, and no private developer will attempt it due to the insane building costs in this city. "

So how does this make sense? The only way for ratner to be able to build AY is with the same public financing you say the city can't afford."'

The point is that the city can't afford to build affordable housing on its own because it doesn't have the cash on hand. It can offer tax incentives and breaks which never commits cash on hand.

On the flip side, because building costs are so high in NYC-- higher than anywhere in the country with the possible exception of SF-- the fixed costs associated with a project mean that in a fully privately funded situation, developers will only pursue luxury projects because they have higher profit margins and the gross profits necessary to clear costs. It is not profitable, without public subsidy (given costs) to build affordable housing-- the cap rates are WAY too low.

And since the city can't afford to do it on their own (they have no cash) the best they can do is offer incentives, which are essentially future discounts on unrealized and currently non-existent cash flow streams to pay for it. The city won't give Ratner billions, they'll give him the equivalent of billions which is a huge difference.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 5:15 PM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

Also-- and not to sound like a jerk, but:

"Jobs - at what cost? Spend the money elsewhere and still creates jobs. The city's laying off people 'cause they can't afford to pay them so the net increase in jobs/taxes of this is actually less than zero."

You do realize that money in government agencies is the least efficient job creation tool possible, right? And that's not a right wing yarn-- Obama recognizes this, which is why so much of his stimulus and green jobs program is aimed at public-private partnerships.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 1:44 PM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

Look, Johnny, I would love to build more schools and parks-- but the refrain of "Then support rational development" is so completely cliche, not to mention FUBAR. Define rational development. Show me all these rational development projects that exist in dense urban areas.

Almost no city in the world has the cash for public development (especially now) so they depend on public-private partnerships. As someone who works in finance, you know this. Is Ratner a prick? Yes. Will he make money off this? Sure he will. But the city lacks the cash to build just about anything on it's own, so it will always need people like him if they want to get anything done.

The way to build parks (or in this case affordable housing) is to mandate it as part of a bigger deal. The city can't afford to do it, and no private developer will attempt it due to the insane building costs in this city.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 1:41 PM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

But again, I don't like the problems of traffic, sewage, school capacity or services; nor am I naive enough to think the market provides for those problems given demand.

My main point is this-- put yourself in the shoes of our politicians. They want to get re-elected and many of their constituents don't have jobs. AY will provide jobs to their base and it has a guarantee of 30% of contracts going to minority-owned businesses.

If you can come up with something that will increase pol's popularity among their base more than delivering that, then you have a political argument, not a parlor room argument such as traffic or caring capacity.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 11:24 AM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

Look, Boerum Hill and Arkady, I'm not some huge AY proponent, nor do I think stadiums should be built with public financing. But step back from your Ratner-rage (which is hard, because he's such a prick), and consider a few things.

1. DDDB's efforts absolutely lead to this. AY had been approved back in the fall of 2006. I remember, I was at the meeting, because I thought it was B.S. Financing was available for almost 1 complete year afterward, but the 20 lawsuits (or whatever) completely stalled it. I'm not suggesting DDDB intended for this to happen, but it was the unintentional consequence. To say "The project would have finished up where it's at right now with or without DDDB's involvement" misconstrues the facts of the lawsuits and the financial climate.

2. There simply aren't tons of other projects with huge job potential for construction workers right now. Please name those that are happening in BK at the moment. I'm a Democrat, but at least I'm in touch with the reality of what that means in NYC-- that the unions will get their way. Who do you think contributes the most money to our party? If we were in Nebraska, we'd be powerless to stop a megachurch instead of an arena.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 11:20 AM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

The bad economy has actually worked against DDD. Everyone is talking about unemployment on Wall Street, but there are tons more people in the construction industry who are out of work.

Do you realize how many construction/ pipe fitters/ carpenters et al union workers there are in BK/ NYC as a whole?

How many NY pols get elected without union endorsements? Not many. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them, and they're certainly not going to say to their constituents, "I'm voting against your having a job b/c the people in brownstone Brooklyn are concerned about scale/ traffic etc."

The economic deterioration is what makes this project necessary from a political perspective. DDD can shout until they're blue in the face about scale, traffic, gov't subsidies etc., but until they have an answer to the job situation, they're going to lose this battle

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 10:14 AM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

I hate to keep harping on here-- but thanks Develop Don't Destroy-- the results of your work:

1. Crappy looking stadium instead of artistic-crappy looking Gehry stadium
2. More time with an empty rail yard
3. Higher cost to taxpayers
4. More profitability for Ratner
5. The project taking longer
6. Less rail capacity
7. Delays (and possible scrapping) of the affordable housing elements

I understand you fought a good fight and I'm not suggesting that people should have laid down for Ratner or that they're NIMBY's for disagreeing-- but please revise your tactics for the next time some developer wants to build something big in Brooklyn. There is almost no way to imagine that the end result could have been worse than this.

Posted by: havelc at June 22, 2009 9:48 AM in response to Big Week for Atlantic Yards Sweetheart Deal-Making

No comment from the What, telling us that this is how all of NYC will look in six months?

He's grown complacent.

Posted by: havelc at June 19, 2009 5:48 PM in response to The Last of the Bungalows

Here's a question for the no public money crowd:

Should public money subsidize the (eventual) private development of Gowanus, either as a Superfund site or not? As is, there is no project there that stands on its own economically, yet Brooklyn would be far better off and as a city reap far greater long term benefits by cleaning that thing up.

AY isn't exactly a Superfund site, but there can be little doubt that Brooklyn would be better off if there was something there.

If you think Gowanus should be left until there's some magical, economically free-standing option there, then cool, shout about the evils of public subsidy all you want. But if you think that government subsidy, whether Gowanus, or everything currently being done by the Obama admin, has a place... then we're just talking about a difference of degree and relative benefit, which is a very different convo-- and one you cannot be so indignant about as an AY opponent.

Posted by: havelc at June 11, 2009 6:20 PM in response to Quote of the Day

Ha, appreciate it Mr. B.

Posted by: havelc at June 11, 2009 1:51 PM in response to Press Release: Brooklyn Flea Launches Under the Bridge

I don't mean to be a hater, but has anyone ever seen Eames chairs at the BK Flea? Should there really be two of them in their semi-official logo?

Posted by: havelc at June 11, 2009 12:17 PM in response to Press Release: Brooklyn Flea Launches Under the Bridge

One point of contention-- arenas aren't notorious black holes in urban neighborhoods. While it is correct they don't generate new streams of income for cities (read Smith economist Andrew Zimbalist on this), because they don't increase the amount of disposable income in a city-- there have been plenty of cases where a stadium has improved the neighborhood around it. That doesn't make Brooklyn any richer (which is why they shouldn't subsidize it), but it can improve the state of that area.

Posted by: havelc at June 9, 2009 10:02 AM in response to Ouroussoff, Tell Us How You Really Feel

Petebrklyn, you're dead on. This is your classic unintended consequences scenario. G

iven what Forest City paid for that land, and that they're a long-term buy-hold-develop company (and that the NIMBYs lost every single court challenge) you had to know something was going to be built there eventually. Thanks to all the delays, this is what we're left with. Really appreciate it Develop Don't Destroy.

Why don't you guys keep protesting this and maybe we can get further downgraded to a Wal-Mart and a homeless shelter.

Posted by: havelc at June 9, 2009 9:56 AM in response to Ouroussoff, Tell Us How You Really Feel

good suggestion werner. why doesn't the brownstoner have a bar? my only question is whether it would increase or decrease the civility on these boards.

Posted by: havelc at June 8, 2009 5:05 PM in response to Streetlevel: Closing Time on Metropolitan Avenue

Fair point, Sam. My mistake.

Posted by: havelc at June 8, 2009 1:40 PM in response to Dose of Reality for Trust Fund Kids

I disagree with Sam that having your parents help with a downpayment is a major humiliation. If we're talking about gifting the money, then maybe. But I feel like many folks borrow money from their 'rents (and pay it back) as a way to get into homeownership.

Posted by: havelc at June 8, 2009 12:38 PM in response to Dose of Reality for Trust Fund Kids

At least Vandy isn't some b.s. made-up abbreviation. Vanderbilt University, also named after C. Vanderbilt has gone by Vandy for almost 100 years. At least Vandy rolls off the tongue, unlike BoCoCa, which is easily the dumbest compression I've ever seen.

Either way, I had a good time.

Posted by: havelc at June 8, 2009 11:35 AM in response to Summer Streets Comes Vandy

Who knows what really happened in the Harvard situation, but aren't you guys all media savvy enough to know how ongoing investigations work, or how Harvard wants to protect itself from being liable to a lawsuit? For legal reasons the university cannot say anything beyond the irrefutable facts of this man was shot, police said this man did it.

This girl, on the other hand, can say whatever she wants and isn't liable for anything.

Do we really believe that the university thought hey, someone was shot in a dorm, let's find the closest black girl and suspend her?

Posted by: havelc at June 3, 2009 12:06 PM in response to Wednesday Links

Has anyone ever been to east Berlin? Or former Eastern bloc countries? This looks like futurist Soviet architecture (from 1965.)

Posted by: havelc at May 20, 2009 5:22 PM in response to 580 Carroll Developer Trying to Supersize Norten Project

Agreed-- how exactly is AEI defining the middle class? There are plenty of studies out there that suggest the upper middle class starts in the $65k range since thats double the median national salary.

I make slightly more than that and am certainly not upper middle class.

Posted by: havelc at May 14, 2009 10:54 AM in response to Can Ditmas Park Save The Middle Class?

The importance of "maintaining relatively low density work areas and shopping streets"

Ha. Enjoy that one. Ditmas Park is "suburban" for NYC and its population density is 52,000 people per square mile. Downtown San Francisco (and I'm using 94111) is 6,500 people per square mile and the densest parts of Chicago, in the Gold Coast are just 29,000. In other words, "neighborhoody" Brooklyn is still one of the densest parts of the U.S.

At some point, can't we just accept that New York is a different place? And that if people want low density that they should move to the suburbs? There's nothing wrong with the suburbs or wanting to move there. This city can't be all things to all people.

Posted by: havelc at May 14, 2009 10:46 AM in response to Can Ditmas Park Save The Middle Class?

Keep in mind these stats are the metro area, which makes them pretty useless for our purposes. How Nassau County, outer Queens and central Jersey are doing doesn't seem to have much bearing on the central Brooklyn market most of us are concerned with.

Posted by: havelc at April 29, 2009 11:23 AM in response to Case Shiller Index: Negative Numbers Across the Board

prodigal--

Is it because you dislike the classics? Maltese Falcon is one of Bogart's best, and To Catch a Thief is one of Hitchcock's better films and the best acting Cary Grant or Grace Kelly did. And who can hate Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? It's some of Paul Newman and Robert Redford's best work.

Posted by: havelc at April 29, 2009 11:15 AM in response to Brooklyn Bridge Park Movie Schedule Announced

Based on Census data-- there are 50,000 people in the 11238. If we have 18 sex offenders that probably makes us one of the safest sex-offender-free neighborhoods in the country.

Just a thought.

Posted by: havelc at April 22, 2009 11:42 AM in response to The Sex Offenders Amongst Us

Look, I don't like the look of the AY buildings either... but can someone please tell me what would be contextual in that space? It's the edge of P.H. brownstones, ratty Flatbush storefronts, 4th ave restaurants with permanent garbage in front, the Ratner shopping center monstrosity and the most phallic high rise (W'berg Savings) in the entire world.

Posted by: havelc at December 16, 2008 11:47 AM in response to Atlantic Yards: Beneficiary or Victim of Economy?

It was Beyonce... and I'm pretty sure someone confirmed it.

Posted by: havelc at October 1, 2008 4:37 PM in response to Prices Seesaw at On Prospect Park

My neighbor has a cat, who watches as the mice parade around their house. Lol. In addition to steel wool, there is a foam spray that you can spray on top of the wool or in holes to help.Also put some poison in all the corners of your basement. The exterminator has packets of pellets which you can probably get at home depot. Mice find all kinds of ways to get into brownstones and then make holes the size of a penny to get into the apts. Gotta stay on top of things but it could be worse. Could be Rats, like my girl friend who is in a tizzy ever since Ratner started demolishing buildings and the railways by Atlantic Yards. I cant even visit her cause the rats are always around to welcome you...even in the daytime Yikes. They are as big as cats ...some of them.

Posted by: iluvclintonhill at November 5, 2009 3:23 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

I had this problem for the last 3 years. (Thanks to construction around me, shocker!) Finally I had a contractor come with the exterminator and they went and found every little hole in my apartment. They pulled out all my appliances and plugged up the gaps around my gas line in my stove. I also had about 12 traps set in a 700 sf apartment, and since my holes have been filled, not one of those traps have had a mouse in them! Good luck!

Posted by: Cobblehillbaby at November 5, 2009 4:13 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

"Mice can't resist the peanut buttery smelling tunnel of excitement and fun. "

LOL im dying over here.

Folks it's true the screams do send a message to the rest.

Posted by: jack slade at November 5, 2009 4:47 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

I heard a huge crashing, thrashing sound last week and rushed into the kitchen to see a mouse leap and soar like a gold medalist in the mousie Olympics over my glue trap and around a corner (while in mid-air) and then run straight at me across the kitchen floor and under my legs as I simultaneously reversed course and leapt straight upward and then onto the bed to escape it, while it ran under the bed and was not seen again.

Three hours of mouse screams from a less skilled relative two days before apparently did nothing to discourage this mouse.

We suffocate them in plastic bags after we catch them in the glue traps.

Posted by: mopar at November 5, 2009 5:31 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

mopar, seems like a golf club would have come in handy!

Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 6:12 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

LOL, Denton.

Posted by: mopar at November 5, 2009 6:22 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

"peanut buttery smelling tunnel of excitement and fun" will haunt my dreams...oh, what paradise! (until the screams begin!)

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at November 5, 2009 6:30 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

Vidiot please contact the good folks at Hershey Park I really think you have something here! I'm cracking up when ever I read that line.

Posted by: jack slade at November 5, 2009 6:36 PM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!

Another thumbs up for Eric - 917-854-7090.

Posted by: RichardK at November 19, 2009 10:40 AM in response to Mouse Infestation - Help!