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July 17, 2006

Finally, a plan

So, when last we saw our heroes, they were curled in the fetal position, sucking their thumbs, rocking back and forth, repeating mantra-like: “But we could buy a three-bedroom house in Buffalo for the cost of the master bathroom.”

We had a long meeting with Ms. Architect, consumed a lot of pizza, and drank a lot of beer (well, not me, I figured someone at the meeting should be sober, otherwise we’d end up with an elevator, a roof deck, and no bathrooms). We knew that we didn’t have enough money in our budget for what we had been planning to do. We’re fairly simple people, we weren’t looking to do anything fancy. On the other hand, we wanted to make our home as comfortable as possible, and comfort is expensive. Bathrooms are expensive. Organization (closets, pantries, built-ins, cabinets) is expensive. Convenience (laundry rooms, laundry chutes) is expensive. Air conditioning, kitchen appliances, fixtures, new wiring, new plumbing – all expensive.

We had some tough choices to make. We could do all four floors, but skimp on what was being done.

We could do two floors completely and totally the way we wanted them, and leave the rest until later. But which two? If we did the bottom two floors, then we wouldn’t have clothes closets or laundry facilities, and the two full bathrooms would be left as is (pretty ugly and fairly gross, but useable), and there would be a stinky old kitchen next to the master bedroom.

We could do the top two floors, giving ourselves three new bathrooms, laundry room, and all closets, but we’d basically be left without a kitchen (the one on the garden floor is unusable, but that must be just my opinion because the last residents of the house were indeed using it).

So what did we decide in the end? A little from all columns. We’re going to do the garden floor completely (the floor which will in all likelihood get the most use, but cost the most money), new kitchen and half bath and all. We will do the upper two floors most of the way, but only do the top bathroom (kids’ bathroom) for now, leaving the master bathroom and guest bathroom for some time in the future (although the guest bathroom will be demo’d and the plumbing roughed in; we can’t do that for the master bathroom because we’ll be using it for our temporary kitchen). We will put in window ac units in the upper two floors and leave all the radiators, with the intent of getting a ductless ac system for the entire house sometime in the future.

With the exception of a little demo, we will leave the parlor floor alone. This floor has no bathrooms or kitchen, and the main purpose of this floor will be for sitting and watching TV, playing piano, playing with the kids, and hosting delightful parties where we serve martinis and guests listen to a string quartet while nibbling delicate hors d'oeuvres served by tuxedo-clad waiters (the people who've been to our parties are having a good laugh right now). We can do all of these things in there in its present state (after a good cleaning, of course). So this floor will done at some time in the future – we have no idea when. This may work to our advantage regarding the details, too. If we did this floor now we definitely would not have the money to save most of the details. But in the future, who knows?

Everything outside, garden included, will be left for the future as well. But after this phase, three floors will be mostly done, and we will basically be able to live our lives without major disruption, just having a bathroom done here and there, and eventually clearing out the parlor floor and having that done too.

I feel good about this plan.

Comments

"Organization (closets, pantries, built-ins, cabinets) are expensive".

If you considering using a closet systems, see these threads:
http://brownstoner.com/forum/archives/2006/04/closet_systems.html
http://brownstoner.com/forum/archives/2006/06/california_clos.html

Posted by: Arsenic and Old Lace at July 17, 2006 3:29 PM

I feel good about this plan too! BTW what is a ductless AC?

Posted by: samandjoeshow at July 20, 2006 12:32 PM

Sam & Joe,

A ductless AC system is a system where the two heat exchangers usually found in an window AC unit, are physically installed in different parts of a house. They are then connected via pipes that allow heated and cooled refrigerant to be transferred from one heat exchanger to the other. They are preferred over other central AC systems because they do not require large ducts to be installed. Hence.. ductless.

Posted by: victor at July 20, 2006 1:09 PM

Thanks Victor, that was a way better explanation than I could have given.

I also wanted to add that, as I understand it, each unit on the wall is operated independently of the others, so that you don't need different zones - each unit is its own zone, with its own thermostat.

Posted by: Amy at July 20, 2006 9:42 PM

I've installed ductless AC in past projects, they work really well but they're also really fugly looking. each unit is approx 4' long and 2' wide and sticks out like a sore thumb in the room. it's equivalent to having radiators high up on the wall.... have yet to find a solution for covering them up.

Posted by: jmc at July 21, 2006 9:39 AM

We're not into that part of the process yet, so my knowledge of them is minimal, but I wouldn't get them unless we recessed them in the wall and put a decorative grate over them. That's possible, right?

There's also SpacePak, which is totally different. SpacePak.com. I think someone on Brownstoner got it a couple years ago and liked it. But I suspect that we may run into trouble finding anyone with much experience installing it.

Posted by: Amy at July 21, 2006 12:03 PM

Don't delay the a/c work -- no matter what anyone tells you, it's much like plumbing - a whole hell of a lot cheaper to do while the walls are already being chopped down and redone than after. These "ductless" systems are not as "ductless" as you might think -- they still require some relatively fugly tubing, which has to either go through the wall or be fugly on your wall -- same story with spacepak. I would highly suggest cheaping out on finishes and getting the A/C installed rather than getting the A/C installed and spending more money on tiles.

Posted by: Anon at July 21, 2006 3:16 PM

yes, it's true that there's still quite a bit of plumbing to run throughout house for these so-called ductless units. basically, the AC units have to be drained to and fro somehow, hence the need for copper pipes snaking through ceilings and walls to the outside.

I tried recessing the units but I would have had to build out the wall by 24 inches to make them sit flush, which was not practical as I didn't want to give up that much space. the other way to do it, and equally fugly, is to build out a soffit just for the AC unit. and I've never met a soffit that I liked.

Posted by: jmc at July 22, 2006 10:44 AM

you guys are brave, strong people. your plan seems good enough. having been through a few renos myself, though, i have to say i chuckled at 'having a few bathrooms done here and there'. the party never ends.

Posted by: daniel at July 26, 2006 1:35 PM

Didn't Brownstoner himself reno with a ductless AC system? I remember there was a long-running commentary about that and I'm pretty sure he said he would go traditional (ducts and all) if he had to do it all over again.

I think...?

Posted by: sandra at July 27, 2006 5:54 PM

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