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September 9, 2009
Questions About Subletting
Hello. I've been renting a rent-stabilized apartment in Brooklyn for about 14 years, but am now in China for the next year. I didn't want to lose my apartment, so I arranged an informal sublet with the brother of a friend. I didn't bother to tell my landlord because my apartment is well below market-rate and I was concerned that they'd probably look for a way to get me out if they knew. Nor did I check my lease for any sub-clause concerning this, as I felt it would be beside the point (for the above reason). The super is already coming around asking questions. No sublease was signed; what recourse do I have? Among other things, if I do make an official request to my landlord (clearly after the fact), could I say that I at first thought my trip would be temporary and that they were initially apartment-sitting, but that now work will require me to be away for a longer time and that my apartment-sitters will now be subletting from me instead? Or are there any other loopholes I can use here? Thanks...
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loopholes? I can't wait for this one... this is a landlord site, ya know.
Posted by: denton at September 8, 2009 3:55 PM
You've clearly set up an illegal sublet - no loopholes there. You could lose your lease.
Posted by: buttermilk channel at September 8, 2009 4:30 PM
I'm not a landlord, and my sympathies tend to lie w/ tenants, but those like the OP are exactly what gives rent control/stabilization a bad rap.
If I was the OP's landlord, and I found out my tenant was cheating the system and me, I'd get him out of that apartment asap.
Posted by: jcarch at September 8, 2009 4:31 PM
rest stabilized apartments are governed by laws and I believe that a landlord must allow you to sublet for one year before they can kick you out -- if you have a standard lease. I'm sure you can find this on line to confirm.
This is a landlord site and many on this site are not landlords, but homeowners (apartment owners) -- and still care that there is affordable housing for those not lucky or able to afford the down payment.
Posted by: AnnieJ at September 8, 2009 4:31 PM
The landlord cannot refuse you to sublet "unreasonably." that said you may have royally screwed yourself by foolishly going ahead without notifying your landlord. I am as pro-tenant as you can get (being one myself) but this kind of sheer stupidity pisses me off. And now you want advice on how to be even more dishonest.
Posted by: bxgrl at September 8, 2009 4:42 PM
i'm not 100% on this, but i have heard of ppl getting into trouble when they charge the tenant more than they pay in a rent controlled/stabilized situation.
Posted by: bodhi_brooklyn at September 8, 2009 4:57 PM
what are you teaching in china? hopefully not ethics.
Posted by: panamac at September 8, 2009 5:21 PM
"rest stabilized apartments are governed by laws and I believe that a landlord must allow you to sublet for one year before they can kick you out -- if you have a standard lease. I'm sure you can find this on line to confirm."
Yes anniej, but the same lease will state that you need the landlord's permission, which shall not be reasonably withheld. In advance.
lol, panamac...
Yup, another reason why rent stabilization should end up on the dustbin of history.
If you didn't want to lose your apt, all you had to do was pay the damn rent!
Posted by: denton at September 8, 2009 5:29 PM
You've already broken your lease by subletting in the fashion that you have.
Won't be helping you with loopholes, as all you needed to do was comply with actual law, and ask questions before rather than after the fact. The requirements for a legal sublet are very specific. This is a description of the terms for rent stabilized apartments, it is not a citation of law: http://www.housingnyc.com/html/resources/faq/subletting.html
Posted by: vinca at September 8, 2009 6:15 PM
i guess that the subject that you teach in china is neither commonsense or ethics
Posted by: eman1234 at September 8, 2009 8:53 PM
Oh what a tangled web we weave.
Tisk tisk... I hope some stimulus change can be put towards investigating these leeches.
Posted by: jack slade at September 8, 2009 9:50 PM
The good news is that you are not in violation of your lease if you are currently writing the rent checks and the LL is cashing them. Fill out the information required in a legal sublet, and have your subtenant mail it certified from a New York Post Office. Continue supplying any info the LL requests in this manner. No legal requirement that says you have to appear in person.
Posted by: modsquad at September 8, 2009 9:56 PM
Furthermore, LL has no knowledge of your current whereabouts I presume. Don't offer any story as to house sitting or trips or whatnot. It has absolutely no bearing on obtaining the sublet.
Posted by: modsquad at September 8, 2009 10:03 PM
Sorry for the 3rd post, I'm sure people are mad enough but it is important to know that illegally subletting your apartment is NOT an evictional(sic) offense. The court would simply say that he would have to move out. There is nothing preventing you from finding someone else even from China to sublet to.
Posted by: modsquad at September 8, 2009 10:17 PM
MS: Illegal sublets are definitely evictionable offenses. Whether OP or LL will prevail depends on a number of factors. OP has set up a situation with the potential for a housing court case where OP will need to appear in person.
Posted by: vinca at September 9, 2009 8:46 AM
Your below market lease is making my market rate lease more expensive. I say booooooo to rent stabilization and booooo to people who feel like they are entitled to keep below market leases at the expense of landlords and everyone else. And the answer to your question is no, you can't keep your place.
Posted by: lechacal at September 9, 2009 9:53 AM
I know MANY people who have lost rent stabilized apartments due to illegal subletting without notifying the landlord. They were gone long-term and tried to sneak around. It does take a while for eviction, though. If you are only gone for a year, your landlord might be willing to give you a break. But I agree with others that you handled it poorly. Especially since you were NOT trying to do this for a long period of time.
Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 9:54 AM
Not true vinca. Worse case scenario would be no response from OP to an action brought by LL. Judgment would be in LL's favor and an order to cure would be issued requiring the illegal subtenant to vacate in 10 days. OP has the right to cure before an eviction order is granted. What clause in a residential lease requires a personal appearance by either party? Most LLs send a lawyer to do their dirty work and avoid LL/Tenant Court at all costs. Like I said before, if OP is sending rent checks and LL is depositing them then he is not in violation. If OP is stupid enough to "confess" and implicate himself, then he deserves to be put on the street.
Posted by: modsquad at September 9, 2009 9:57 AM
tell your friend you are subletting to, do NOT answer any kind of questions to ANYONE. when i lived on the LES i lived in a sublet that was a rent CONTROLLED apt. when the owner sold the building the new owners a management company sent around private detectives who claimed to be cops and asked if we have seen any sketchy people around and that some apts were broken into. no apts were broken into, they were fishing for information. they had asked me if i lived there and for how long. D'OH! i should have said NOTHING. a few more rounds of this, and the woman i was subletting from for 4 1/2 years got served a notice of eviction for not residing on the property and then she asked me to move out immediately so she could move all her stuff back in, paint, and make it look like she was living there the whole time :-/
you sleep with dogs you get bit by fleas. always remember that.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 9:58 AM
I admit to not being sure about this, but if the tenant writes the checks but someone else is living there, I don't think the fact that the landlord cashes the checks means that the LL can't attempt to evict. If he accepts check from the subletter then that is a different story. So much simpler if you had been straightforward...
Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 10:03 AM
i paid my rent in cash. but i think that was my choice at the time, made things easier.
also there have been cases where if the illegal (or legal) subletter has been paying the tenant on the lease in cash, they could after a year TAKE OVER THE APARTMENT and the person originally on the lease has no say about it.
i was informed that had i been writing checks for all those years i could have taken over the apartment legally.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 10:07 AM
Wouldn't the details about what is allowed or not regarding sublets be in the lease? My first apartment was rent stabilized and I wasn't allowed to sublet it.
Posted by: CG_ups at September 9, 2009 10:14 AM
MS: Sorry, but the details and consequences are so much more nuanced than you're presenting, including OP's need to prove (as a result of his/her own actions) that the apartment is his/her primary residence. CG_Ups: Many leases contain
no-sublet clauses. However, except in buildings of a certain size, those clauses are unenforceable under NYS law, whether or not you've signed the lease.
Lechacal: The argument that rent-regulated apartments increase the rents of market rate apartments/tenants is one of the biggest pieces of hooey in circulation. The economic downturn clearly demonstrates most LLs have the ability to adjust rent, including downward, to suit traffic. If your rent is high, it's far more likely due to your willingness to pay and the LL's willingness to charge, than it is due to fixed costs or reasonable profit margins. Not that it matters, but are there even any regulated tenants in your building?
Posted by: vinca at September 9, 2009 10:22 AM
Finding this took all of three seconds:
http://www.housingnyc.com/html/resources/faq/subletting.html
Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 10:23 AM
CG: Especially since I'd already posted it above ;-)
Posted by: vinca at September 9, 2009 10:27 AM
Hey, whoops! I didn't realize. I was responding to "Wouldn't the details about what is allowed or not regarding sublets be in the lease?"
Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 10:39 AM
CG ups- by law your landlord cannot refuse you a reasonable sublet. You got screwed. Of course, what's "reasonable?" And who gets to decide that? But still- they can't refuse a reasonable sublet.
Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 10:43 AM
It worked out fine. I sublet to a dude for the remainder of the year lease. He got the stinkeye from a couple of the neighbors but then moved at the end of the lease anyway. No harm no foul.
Posted by: CG_ups at September 9, 2009 10:46 AM
+1 vinca on the link you provided days ago above. Regarding the primary residence issue. Being away for a year would not jeopardize that.I think the LL would have to prove someplace else was the primary. At this point as long as the LL accepts rent checks the tenant is not in violation no matter what is going on in the apartment. I would simply suggest to OP to begin subletting discussions immediately based on the legally required information. Will it be easy? Probably not, but he has not lost his apartment yet.
Posted by: modsquad at September 9, 2009 10:47 AM
"D'OH! i should have said NOTHING. a few more rounds of this, and the woman i was subletting from for 4 1/2 years got served a notice of eviction for not residing on the property"
You ratted. Snitch.
Posted by: East New York at September 9, 2009 10:51 AM
pisses me off. rent control was designed to prevent people from being forced out of their neighborhoods. you are abusing it. I paid market rate 3000 a month for 3 years in manhattan, subsidising a 70 year old guy who had been in the building since the 1950s paying under 400. No problem with that. leave the guy alone.
But not you. you want to live this sweet international life and abuse the protection that was set up for that guy and others like him. give up your place.
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at September 9, 2009 11:07 AM
Dear Mr. Bummer,
OP has the legal right to sublet. Contrary to what you and others are implying, the only thing he has done wrong is not following the letter of the law. He still might be able to pull victory from the jaws of da feet. If anything, he has screwed himself.
OP appears to be teaching while in China. For all intensive purposes a noble endeavor. What do you do Mr Bummer besides smoke crack and play Wii all day?
Posted by: modsquad at September 9, 2009 11:16 AM
Grease the super=problem solved
Posted by: IrieMan at September 9, 2009 11:23 AM
ENY i didnt know they were fishing for information! they asked if i heard about any apts being broken into and asked which one i lived in and how long i lived there and with whom :( they also had some sort of badge and ID so i thought they were legitimate undercover cops.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 11:27 AM
Bummer we're talking about a rent stabilized apt not rent controlled. Why should this person give up their home they've lived in for 14 years while they work abroad for a year? The apartment can be legally subletted, he just needs to follow the procedure. God, you all are like a pack of hungry wolves. Reading this thread is nauseating.
Posted by: boofer at September 9, 2009 11:27 AM
I would only offer two points of advice in addition to what vinca and others have provided:
(1) Don't make up any stories or nonsense. If you have improperly sublet the apartment, don't make matters worse by telling falsehoods now.
(2) Don't charge your subtenant more than you pay the LL. I think there may a permissible 5% mark-up, but am not sure, and why take the risk for maybe an extra $40 a month? Illegal overcharges are actually one of the best ways for the LL to succesfully bring an eviction case.
Also, Mr. Bummer -- this is a rent-stab apartment not a rent control one.
Posted by: Boerumresident at September 9, 2009 11:28 AM
":( they also had some sort of badge and ID so i thought they were legitimate undercover cops."
How long have you been here, anyway? Jeez. You don't have to talk to ANYONE about ANYTHING! Guys like you would never have made it here in the old days.
Posted by: East New York at September 9, 2009 11:36 AM
I'm pretty sure a lot depends on how much you're charging the tenant. Our sublettees were accused of "rent-gouging" us because we were paying $650 a month for a 2500 square foot loft in Hell's Kitchen and they were only paying $350/month. There is some percentage of what you pay over rent you're allowed to charge... but it's very, very small, like 10%.
That being said, a roommate situation is a little different. I know someone who is barely in her apartment (has lived in multiple places over the last decade) whose roommate pays a larger percentage of the rent than she does, but has managed to hang on to her apartment.
If I were you, I'd try and have some semblance of residence: have some mail coming there, stop by occasionally, maybe keep some clothes in the closet. It makes it much more of a gray area.
Posted by: Heather at September 9, 2009 12:14 PM
Ok the crack and wii thing just made my WEEK.
I don't know or care about the legal nuances. I stand by my statement. ANY rent cap makes market rate rentals less affordable. ANY affordable housing requirement makes market prices higher. Unless people truly can't help themselves, they should not be given handouts, and they should live where they can afford to live. the city is unaffordable precisely because so much of the housing stock has been transformed into a legal squat.
My issue is not legal, it's moral. If you don't need a handout, don't take one. if you have one and you don't need it, give it up.
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at September 9, 2009 12:54 PM
IrieMan, most supers don't want to upset their neighbors so don't ask questions. Landlords with significant numbers of rent stabilized tenants sometimes pay bonuses to supers who provide evidence of illegal subletting or non-residence and it will be a lot more than a tenant has to offer. My guess is that the landlord in this situation offers such bonuses to the super, could be as high as $10,000 for every apartment deregulated.
All well and good to have 20/20 hindsight, but OP (and any other rent stabilized tenants reading this) should have done his homework before leaving. My understanding is that you can sublet while out of NY on a temporary work assignment (e.g. teaching in China for a year), landlord needs to be advised and approve the subtenant, and the rent can't be more than 10% above the legal rent, and I believe the rent goes to the landlord - the head tenant can't profit from the sublease in any way, shape or form.
Most illegal sublets are because the head tenant wants to make a profit, that's not allowed under the Rent Stabilization Code. The RSC grants rights and imposes obligations on both tenants and landlords, if you don't follow the RSC faithfully you risk losing your rights and incurring penalties.
OP might want to contact a tenant lawyer to try and rescue his/her lease.
Posted by: bohuma at September 9, 2009 12:57 PM
as the crack wears off I would be interested in a refresher on the difference between stablized and controlled, if anyone wants to... Still, my position: free handouts of any kind distort markets and invite abuse. They are only socially useful for true welfare cases.
And by the way, teaching english abroad is not the freakin peace corps.
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at September 9, 2009 1:01 PM
rent control makes me so angry that my throat closes up.
socialism. disgusting.
Posted by: wine lover at September 9, 2009 2:24 PM
It's really shocking and disgusting how some posters who call themselves "pro-tenant" (they're really not pro-tenant; they're pro rent stabilization. Rent stabilization actually hurts many tenants) support these low rent freeloaders who break the law.
I hope the LL throws this guy out on his ass.
The entire RS system is sick.
Posted by: starfish1948 at September 9, 2009 4:54 PM
When you do things in the dark..they always come to light.
Posted by: scarter at September 9, 2009 5:58 PM
Hey OP do you feel like a crook? Teaching in China? Charging the sublet much more than the actual rent right? Shame on you! Hopefully you don't get caught trying such treachery over there...can be punishable by imprisonment or even worse.
You are abusing the system in a rather disgusting way and such corruption clearly illustrates why RS & RC needs to be eliminated or revised significantly.
BTW we are market rate tenants right here in Brooklyn.
Posted by: pierre de taille at September 9, 2009 6:20 PM
The law for rent regulated tenants allows you to sublet your apartment for two years in each four year period. This is your right by law, regardless whether your lease grants you this: if you are rent stabilized and your lease states otherwise, the law trumps your lease. You have rights, but along with your rights come obligations, it's a two way street: fail to meet your obligations and you may forfeit your rights. It's great that you have a teaching opportunity, but it's time to become a student and get a better education in NYC housing law.
So yes, you have the right to go and teach in China for two years and sublet your apartment, the only problem is that you did not do the sublet via the correct legal procedures, but rather that you attempted to sublet informally. I would suggest contacting a tenant attorney...not an all-purpose attorney but specifically a tenant attorney whose practice is focused primarily on representing tenants in NYC. Call by phone from China and explain the situation and see if you can get a free phone consultation and/or purchase a consultation (usually 45 minutes to one hour where you discuss your situation and get a sense of your options). This can be done via phone and I'm sure payment can be arranged via credit card or other means. You may be able to handle the entire process from where you are in China, casually. OTOH, yo umay need to contract an attorney to assist you and/or you may need to return to NYC...get some sound legal input before you do anything.
It sounds to me like you may have a 'roommate' situation now - that you took on a roommate and that you are just out of the country for a few weeks/months (you haven't been gone a full year yet, have you)? If an opportunity to teach has opened up in China, maybe you can sublet your apartment to your roommate....he would then become the tenant for the duration of the sublet, and that may even mean he can take on one roommate of his own if he so chooses. Of course, you would have to do this LEGALLY, formally, and with the landlord's permission in order to preserve your rights to continued tenancy when the sublet terminates.
If you act foolishly now, you very well may lose your apartment. Do not be penny wise and pound foolish. Get advice and/or representation from a practitioner who is experienced in these issues.
You will need to document in writing many things during this process. This is NOT a matter to be handled informally as you are now doing. You need to document the process in writing so you will have proof in the event you are unreasonably denied the sublet by the landlord and also so that you will retain your tenancy rights after the sublet terminates.
Here is some more info for you and for the edification of those following this thread (sorry for the length but this cuts through much confusion):
http://tenant.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4933
"Subletting
Even if your lease forbids it, you have the right under the law to sublease your apartment, and the lease provision is null and void. The subletting procedures below apply generally to tenants renting an apartment pursuant to an existing lease in a building having four or more residential units. The exceptions are tenants in public housing, limited-profit housing, or housing subject to rent control. Rent controlled tenants may, however, sublet if they have a current or prior lease that contains a clause permitting subletting, or if the landlord consents. To sublet, you must closely follow these procedures:
1. Send a letter to the landlord by certified mail, return receipt requested, requesting permission to sublease. (You should retain copies of this correspondence, as well as all other correspondence sent to the landlord.) This letter must contain the following information:
The term (starting and ending dates) of the sublet, not to exceed two years. (If you are uncertain about the term, choose the longer period, because it is difficult to extend the sublet. You can always return early.)
The name of the proposed subtenant. (Choose someone you know if possible. Subleasing to strangers is risky and often full of unhappy surprises.)
The business and permanent home address of the proposed subtenant.
Your reason for subletting (work transfer, school attendance, family crisis, etc). Your reason must reflect an intent to return.
Your address for the term of the sublet.
The written consent of any co-tenant or guarantor of your lease.
A copy of the proposed sublease, to which a copy of your lease is attached, if available.
A separate letter wherein both you and your proposed subtenant state that the attached sublease is a true copy of such sublease. This statement must be signed and notarized.
2. Within 10 days after you mail your initial request, your landlord is allowed to ask for additional information, in order to determine if rejecting your request would be unreasonable. Expect a list of inquiries about the proposed sublessee's resources and rental history.
3. Within 30 days after you mail the initial notice, or after you mail the additional information if requested, your landlord must send you a notice of consent to the sublet, or their reasons for refusal.
If your landlord consents, you may sublease, but you remain liable for future rents.
If your landlord reasonably withholds consent, you can't sublet, and you are not released from the lease and can be held liable for future rents.
If your landlord fails to send a response within the 30 days, this shall be deemed consent to the subletting.
If your landlord unreasonably withholds consent, you may sublet in accordance with the request. If your landlord then tries to evict you, you may recover the costs of any eviction proceedings, together with attorneys' fees, if it is found that your landlord acted in
Posted by: Oxygen at September 10, 2009 2:52 AM
[cont.]
...bad faith by withholding consent.
4. If your apartment is rent stabilized, the following provisions also apply:
You cannot charge your subtenant more than your current rent unless the apartment is furnished during the sublet. In this case, a 10 percent surcharge may be added. The landlord may also collect a vacancy-allowance increase during the term of the sublet. It is rolled back when the prime tenant returns. The increase is the vacancy allowance, if any, provided in the Rent Guidelines Board Order in effect at the beginning of the lease, provided the lease is a renewal lease.
You must establish, and should say so in your initial letter to your landlord, that at all times you will maintain the apartment as your primary residence and intend to reoccupy it at the expiration of the sublease. Primary-residence status requires that during your absence from your apartment, you pay New York City resident income tax, listing the apartment as your residence, and that all records of your residence, including your driver's license, car registration and voting records, reflect the apartment as your home.
You, as the prime tenant, retain the right to a renewal lease, and the rights and status of a "tenant in occupancy" as they relate to conversion to condominium or cooperative ownership.
The law limits your sublet to two years, including the term of the proposed sublease, out of the four-year period preceding the termination date of the proposed sublease. Your landlord may agree to waive this limitation, but the law allows him to refuse. There is no harm in asking. If he says yes, get it in writing.
If your lease expires during the term of the proposed sublease, your subtenant is subject to your renewal lease. The landlord is required to offer and accept a renewal lease from you during the sublet period just as if you were in occupancy.
Should you overcharge your subtenant, he or she shall be entitled to damages of three times the overcharge and may also be awarded attorneys' fees and interest from the date of the overcharge. "
If you have questions, here is a good place to ask them:
Good luck.
Posted by: Oxygen at September 10, 2009 2:58 AM
Instruct the brother of your friend to say nothing if questioned. He can pretend not to speak English. Don't start making up stories. Don't start planning intricate ruses.
Speak with an attorney and find out what you need to due to legitimate a potential sublet or prepare to either forfeit the teaching in China and/or your apartment of 14 years. It will be money well spent. If you try to game the system and trick your landlord, and he has the monetary incentive to get rid of you, as you claim he has, you may just find yourself enmeshed in a lawsuit(s) and having to spend thousands of dollars just to defend your right to continue living in your apartment.
Posted by: Oxygen at September 10, 2009 3:11 AM
OP, your "loophole" is under the provisions for sharing your apartment with a roommate sited in the link to Tenant.net by Oxygen above.
"5. You must inform the landlord of the name of a new roommate within 30 days after the roommate moves in, or within 30 days after a request by your landlord for the roommate's name. Failure to notify the landlord carries no penalty."
That's pretty important about carrying no penalty.
PS teachinginchina, Where do we send the bill?
Posted by: modsquad at September 10, 2009 7:55 AM
http://tenant.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6788&highlight=primary+residence
The above link is interesting. Talks about non primary residence.
OP if I were you I would have your "roommate" use one of your credit/debit cards every once in awhile in NYC while you're away.
There is also a good chance that being in China for a year is not in violation of your Lease. Courts don't take the 189 day provision over a single year but look to see a pattern over several years.
Posted by: modsquad at September 10, 2009 8:30 AM
As Modsquad hints at, maintaining the apartment as your Primary Residence is important if you wish to keep it, more so if you have a landlord who has an incentive to wants to deregulate it. If you are gone for a year this would be the better method for your LL to evict you.
I suggest also discussing with your attorney what you will need to do to validate your apartment as your primary residence. If you get sued, expect to have your personal data submitted as evidence in court, as per the link above in Modsquad's post. Utility bills/usage are also used to prove a tenant was not living in an apartment during a certain period. FYI, it is also very common for a landlord to video tape their tenants' comings and goings via either an exposed or hidden video camera. My landlord had a video camera the size of a thimble hidden in the lobby, by chance a flash digital photograph of someone's child showed an unusual reflection and that was how it was discovered.
I would advise against notifying your landlord that you now have a roommate. If the LL sends you a request in writing for your roommate's name, then you can consider what you wish to do.
You really need to discuss your situation with a qualified and experienced tenant attorney...DO NOT go to an all-purpose attorney as he will not be familiar enough with these kinds of cases to give you good advice.
Posted by: Oxygen at September 10, 2009 12:04 PM
The last few posts are examples of the deceptive practices advocated by rent regulation advocates. They take what they know is patently illegal action by a rent stabilized tenant and urge him to cover it up by using lies and gimmicks. And they recommend a website which specializes in such falsities.
Disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. It's abuse of a system which should have gone a long time ago because it hurts the majority of the people in the city and by all studies it's a disaster for the housing stock and market rents.
Posted by: starfish1948 at September 10, 2009 2:49 PM
The OP has a legal right to go abroad and teach temporarily, and to sublet while she is gone. It's that simple.
Due to her ignorance and fear, she didn't cross her i's and dot her t's. It sounds like she merely wants to sublet her place - not rent gouge or profiteer off of a friend or to screw her LL- but unfortunately, due to the unrestrained greed and an often predatory climate propagated by certain, but by no means all LL's, she was fearful of how to proceed and rightfully so. What she has done so far is not set in stone nor is it irrevocable. Also, since no sublease was signed I do not think any court would recognize this as a sublet: it's definition is indeterminate but it sounds to me more like a roommate situation at this stage, although the issue of the amount her roommate is paying is of concern. If it is indeed a roommate, and she is charging him more than half the legal rent, she is in violation of the law and could have eviction proceedings brought against her for rent overcharge.
She needs to follow the law, which is what I am suggesting that she do, or she deserves to suffer the consequences. From her post, I do not think she has a clue how shrewd many landlords are, nor does she seem to have a solid grasp of the monetary value as an asset that her stabilized apt. represents, and the tens/hundreds of thousands of $$ her LL stands to make if he gets her out. If she understood the money clearly, she would understand better the danger of ignoring the law and making herself vulnerable.
Since she seems naive and ignorant, I suggest she seek the advice of an attorney who can advise her what she needs to do. If she takes my advice and follows the law, she can develop her career and broaden her horizons by teaching abroad: the LL will be paid his rent and will be allowed his annual rental increases. No one is cheating anyone and greed does not consume either party. The status quo is maintained. I do not see a federal case here, other than greed, rancor, and fear in the air.
Posted by: Oxygen at September 11, 2009 12:37 AM
"If it is indeed a roommate, and she is charging him more than half the legal rent, she is in violation of the law and could have eviction proceedings brought against her for rent overcharge."
Interesting that there has been no response from the OP. I highly doubt that the person subletting is being charged half of what is already a very low rent. Most likely there is a rent gouging situation here. And that's why the tenant is mum.
The only "greed" here is being perpetrated by the RS tenant. As I said before, I hope the LL discovers the cheating and tosses the abuser out on his or her ass.
Posted by: starfish1948 at September 11, 2009 9:24 AM
Speculation. Might as well speculate if the LL is overcharging the OP. Or, if you are overcharging your tenants. The point is, none of this information is available to us, nor is it productive here.
The OP wanted to sublet her place and was ignorant of what that entailed. Now she has some good info regarding her legal requirements, along with various opinions about her situation. Hopefully now, her actions will result in an equitable and satisfactory outcome for all the principle parties.
Have a good weekend.
Posted by: Oxygen at September 11, 2009 12:42 PM
Here's a sucky but different sublet horror story:
My cousin had a large rent-regulated apartment in Soho (I think Soho, may be wrong about that). When his mother suddenly got sick, he arranged to have a friend of another cousin move in for a few months while he took a leave from his job and went home to look after things. The friend had just moved to NY to accept a job; He did not gouge the subtenant; in fact charged less than the regular rent. Pretty much only enough to cover utilities and some walking around money since he wasn't working.
One month turned into three, but it looked like he would be able to go back to NY the next month or so. His damn subtenant TURNED HIM INTO THE LANDLORD IN EXCHANGE FOR GETTING THE LEASE REWRITTEN IN HIS NAME. I'm simplifying of course, but the end result is my cousin lost his mother and an apartment in the same year.
Posted by: Minmin at September 12, 2009 3:20 PM
Not that it matters but that is legally impossible. If the subtenant admitted to an illegal sublet then the LL would have to bring suit for that illegal sublet. The court would possibly find in favor of the LL and force the Tenant to cure the violation in a certain amount of time. If he cures the condition then he doesn't lose the apartment. Even now if your cousins lease is still in effect he could get the apartment back. It would be considered an illegal eviction.
Posted by: modsquad at September 14, 2009 8:55 AM

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