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September 1, 2009

Park Slope Bedbug Disaster

I'm hoping someone can offer some advice about this difficult situation - I've spoken to some lawyers but I wanted the Brownstoner take.

About the middle of September, I signed a lease on a dream apartment - recent gut renovation, really close to the park, beautiful block. The property manager allowed us early access, since the place had been empty for some time. Apparently the entire building had vacated; we and the ground floor duplex were both 9/1 leases.

So last Friday, we loaded up the U Haul and spent all day carrying things up the stairs. It literally wasn't until the last item was walked through the door that I looked down at a speck on the wall and realized I was staring at a bedbug.

I caught it and stuck it in a bottle, and immediately got online to verify. It was the real deal. I just happened to google the address of the place, too, when I found a posting about an infestation there on bedbugregistry.com. I thought I recognized the poster's username from some of the old mail in our mailbox, so I googled that person as well - turns out they lived nearby.

Forgoing inhibition, I walked directly over to the previous tenant and knocked on the door. 'Lo and behold, they knew exactly why I was coming. Turns out, there had been a serious problem with bedbugs in the building, and all the tenants had moved out before their leases were up. The landlord was not only notified, but was well aware of the problem and had not effectively addressed it, requiring previous tenants to hire their own pest control people.

The next day, I phoned the property manager to ask if he knew anything about a prior infestation, which he denied. When I mentioned that I'd spoken to previous tenants and could substantiate with email chains, photos, and an actual specimen, he relented and said that if I wanted to get out of the lease and get my money back, that would be alright since it wasn't even the 1st yet.

At great expense, I hired a moving company to come get all our stuff and take it to a storage facility while we found a new apartment. The apartment was completely vacant by last night, the 30th. Both the property manager and broker were informed that the apartment was open to be shown to prospective tenants.

I called the property manager this morning to schedule a time to come pick up the rent and deposit (they have first, last, and security). He told me to stop by the office tomorrow afternoon.

Not less than an hour later, I got a call from the landlord himself, informing me that I didn't know what I was talking about, that the building had no bedbug problem now or ever, and that he considered the lease to still be in effect and binding. I told him that not informing us ahead of time that there had been an infestation was something I considered fraudulent, and that he had plenty of time to rent the apartment, that all we wanted was our money back and no bad blood was necessary - I was willing to eat the cost of the movers. He responded that he wouldn't allow it. I told him that I guessed, then, we'd have to talk to an attorney. He dared me to do so.

He also suggested that my own home (I own an investment property) might just as easily turn up on a site like bedbugregistry.com - although I'd never mentioned the site. I asked him what exactly he meant by that and he quickly changed the topic. But I'm pretty sure we both understood what he was after.

So that's my nightmare, which is as of yet ongoing. Does anyone here have any thoughts or advice? I'm contacting everyone I know to try to figure out what our next step will be.

ANY advice will be appreciated!

Comments

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Posted by: howrealnyc at August 31, 2009 6:37 PM

I'll ditto howrealnyc's advice except, in the interest of saving some money, I'd reverse the order of those two points.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 31, 2009 6:48 PM

For someone who has investment properties you have acted kind of impulsively. One bedbug in a bottle does not an infestation make. Maybe you could make a case of constructive eviction but usually that requires you to move in first, document the cause of the eviction and then move out. I seriously doubt that LL/Tenant Court will take into evidence a "registry" of bedbug infestations on the internet.
Maybe you should take "possession", (don't actually move in) and immediately stop paying rent based on breach of habitability laws. You're going to have to have some solid evidence to show the court and if the LL actually fumigates successfully then you'll have to pay up. But maybe you just want out?

Posted by: modsquad at August 31, 2009 7:35 PM

Call the local news. Park Slope + bedbugs= juicy.

Posted by: Maly at August 31, 2009 7:47 PM

Sounds like a nightmare. Unfortunately "one bedbug in a bottle" does an infestation make, plus you have the information from previous tenants to support it. If I were you I would do whatever I could to get out of the lease, and I would also be slightly concerned about my belongings in storage. This isn't paranoia, it's just fact about the way bedbugs infestations work. Do you have any lawyer friends who could call the landlord...he's not going to want the expense of a lawsuit either. A lawyer might signal that you mean business, and even if you have to lose some amount to make this go away it might be worth it in the long run.
Good luck!

Posted by: kwar228 at August 31, 2009 7:53 PM

To the point, what evidence exists that the apartment is currently infested? Walking around 7th Avenue with a sample bottle containing the remains of one (1) bedbug will not get you a ride on the subway let alone a segment on NY1. What former tenant is going to sit around LL/Tenant court, for a complete stranger, to testify that the apartment used to be infested. "A lawyer might signal that you mean business",? give me a break!

Posted by: modsquad at August 31, 2009 8:08 PM

It would be more appropriate to refer to it as an investment property (singular). I am by no means experienced; I'm not even a landlord yet.

As for my impulse - I've had friends who have experienced bedbug infestations firsthand, and I know how awful it can be. On top of that, I have the aforementioned documentation (pictures, emails from the landlord to the previous tenant acknowledging the problem) that substantiates my concern.

I also happen to know that where one bedbug can be found, there are most definitely more. I could have proven this theory by staying and using myself and my family as bait, but the price of being right was not worth it for me.

I am most certainly retaining a lawyer. And given that I have access to testimony from previous tenants about the situation, I never presumed to have used bedbugregistry.com in court.

Posted by: twinreverb at August 31, 2009 8:40 PM


I would tell the landlord two things:

1) If he doesn't return all the money immediately, you will also sue him for moving costs.

2) If he doesn't return all the money, you will get NY1 to run a special on the scum bag.


I'm a landlord myself, and your story really pisses me off. You should make it your life obsession to make this jerk pay if he doesn't play ball.

Posted by: IronBalls at August 31, 2009 8:55 PM

Given the rate at which bedbugs multiply, I highly doubt that the single bedbug spotted by the OP is the only one in that particular apartment or the entire building. I don't think he/she's wrong to freak out over the sight of the one bedbug. And, I also agree with him/her that he is under no obligation to remain in the apartment as the 'test case' to see if the infestation remains. Furthermore, there is no real need for a former tenant to sit around in court all day waiting to testify on the OP's behalf. That's what duly sworn and notarized affidavits are for. OP, you are already out of there. Stay out and keep doing whatever you have to do to get your money back. Good luck to you.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 31, 2009 9:36 PM

If there were previous renters, who had to move out because of the problem, I am sure, they suffered enough and would love to testify in court.

This landlord sounds very strange. It would make a lot of sense to fumigate whole building while it was vacant. Sounds like he thought that the problem is solved before getting new tenants.

Posted by: bobjohn at August 31, 2009 9:53 PM

also as previous posters stated: call exterminators and make them to clean your belongings before moving them from the storage.

Posted by: bobjohn at August 31, 2009 9:55 PM

You guys are funny. How can former tenants testify to current conditions. OP has not shown any evidence that proves there is a current and ongoing infestation. He has a bed bug allegedly taken from the wall of the apartment. LL has a signed Lease. By all means sue away.

Posted by: modsquad at August 31, 2009 11:02 PM

I'm not without sympathy for the OP. I've spent many days in Part 52 in Manhattan. I would sooner live with bedbugs than deal with that place. I just don't think this is a slam dunk. Unless there is a current condition that shows a lack habitability I think he is stuck. The burden of proof is on his shoulders, not the LL to prove anything.

Posted by: modsquad at August 31, 2009 11:10 PM


Modsquad,

I guarantee the OP can win back his rent and security deposit in court.

Whether he can get moving expenses, I'm not sure.

He has the bedbug as proof plus testimony of previous tenants.

He doesn't need anything else. He will prevail in court, no question about it.

Posted by: IronBalls at August 31, 2009 11:41 PM

If you hire a lawyer, offer to bring in the former tenants. I bet they are out money and would like to get it back. Having them as a party would destroy any credibility from the landlord.


Posted by: slick at September 1, 2009 12:16 AM

modsquad, you are an ass.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 1, 2009 9:32 AM

Under what conditions did the prior tenants move? Did they still have time on their leases? Was there any exchange between them & the LL or mgr. about bedbugs? Did anyone undertake any extermination?
Find out the above info & also whether anyone kept any form of correspondence about it all.
I'd immediately get on to Gersh Kuntzman, Only the Blog Knows Brooklyn, etc. They'll phone the LL so he knows you're not making empty threats & that might move him to agree to your requests. I also think you're entitled to reimbursement of your moving fees & any other expenses you may have incurred. Your lease guarantees livable conditions & you don't have them.

Posted by: Arkady at September 1, 2009 9:39 AM

Ironballs is right. This aint TV. Judge will side with OP in heartbeat. Ask prior tenant for a short letter, signed and with his/her contact info. With their emails as backup.


I'm a landlord, but wtf. This is sleazy.


Posted by: Johnny at September 1, 2009 9:40 AM

I'm a landlord and I've had tenants get bedbugs on about three difference occasions. I hate it when it happens because if a person on the third floor all of a sudden gets beg bugs and no one else has them, it's because they bought some used furniture or stayed overnight in a hotel with them and that's not my fault. Anyhow, everytime the problem was solved after a visit by the exterminator. I don't think they travel between floors. They attach themselves to your body from furniture or a mattress but I think they're fairly easily dealt with. At least in my experience.

Posted by: Brooklynnative at September 1, 2009 10:06 AM

This is no slam dunk for twinreverb here....

sure if the old tenants REALLY all moved because of a bedbug infestation, and are credibly willing to testify - then the LL is out of luck. BUT

I wonder....I mean if a LL loses all his tenants, is he really going to NOT treat the building before re-leasing

What was the reason given to TR for an entire rental building being empty???

Also I dont doubt that you have a BB in a jar but if I'm not mistaken BB dont crawl on walls in broad daylight - they are light adverse and I believe are only active at night.

Former tenants may hate the LL for many reasons (such as rent increases that forced them to move)...are the former tenants REALLY willing to testify/sign affiidavits to BB infestation? - I assume they called 311 or HPD to file complainnt and the building had BB related violations....right?

How "former" was this former tenant - usually takes quite awhile before a new address would show up on Google?

What evidence is there (assuming that former tenants are not 100% credible) that you didnt being BB with you (either from former apartment or moving truck)

Basically - the law is on LL side. Unless you can PROVE that apartment was inhabitable at the time of lease signing (did you inspect), and the LL knew or should have known - the tenant is responsible for the lease, and will be liable for the rent until the tenant finds a suitable replacement.

That being said, justice is very human centric especially at this level - so depending on the judge, the litigants (how big an A-hole anyone comes off as) etc...ma very well decide the case.
But if I was TR here, I wouldnt approach this with a chip on the shoulder or any arrogance - it is not slam dunk and btw - forget about moving expense, unless you can really prove willful hiding by LL

Posted by: fsrg at September 1, 2009 10:08 AM

You will easily be able to recover any monies given to the landlord up to this point and be entitled to break the lease for material breach by the landlord of habitability.

Get testimony from the formet tenants as well.

You can get your moving costs too - detrimental reliance on the contract (the lease) being upheld. You relied on that and incurred moving costs. You could arguably get you storage costs and costs of ensuring your furniture is not infested covered as well. It does not sound like you want to push it this far, but all of that is a possibility if the landlord had knowledge of the infestation (which according to your story he did - even though he initially lied about it and then made veiled threats regarding your investment property).

I'm a landlord and this guy sounds like a real scumbag.

Posted by: 1842 at September 1, 2009 10:10 AM

Brooklynnative - You should write up what you do - all the press says it's an intractable problem. You might make a fortune!

Posted by: Arkady at September 1, 2009 10:10 AM

Obviously this landlord doesn't live in the building b/c he doesn't seem overly concerned.
He needs to get a bedbug care package in the mail to see what it's like on the other side.. *cue Vincent Price horror flick laughter*

Posted by: bitter retort at September 1, 2009 10:11 AM

quote:
Also I dont doubt that you have a BB in a jar but if I'm not mistaken BB dont crawl on walls in broad daylight

yes they do, ive seen them at a friend's apartment. we smashed them on the walls and blood literally squirted out.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at September 1, 2009 10:15 AM

it would be funny if all the previous tenants dressed up like bedbugs and picketed outside the building too. that would get media attention. it would be like those people who put the giant rat in front of buildings!

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at September 1, 2009 10:17 AM

compared to the time and expense of hiring a lawyer to sue and finding a new place to live, would it be a cheaper and faster resolution to hire an exterminator to treat the place?

i realize that you want your money back, and i agree that in an ideal world you would get it back without the undue hassle of what sounds like a unsympathetic/crooked landlord, but if the apt were free of bedbugs, it sounds like -- based on your post -- it would be your dream apt. can you get together with the new tenant downstairs and split the cost to do the whole building (while your apt is empty)? then move in.

Posted by: panamac at September 1, 2009 12:13 PM

Unfortunately, there are tenants on the first floor now - and with small children. They also found a bed bug in their apartment, although it was already dead.

The kicker here, I think, is that I provided an easy out - I never asked for my moving costs (both in or out) to be reimbursed, and I vacated before the lease term even began. My assumption is that the landlord simply wants to keep the money I gave him and will probably rent the place relatively soon while still trying to strongarm me into submission. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he's already rented it.

In the meantime I've been researching this property every way I know how - trying to put together some kind of dossier on it to provide whichever lawyer we end up going with. I can't find any registration information with the HPD, and according to the DOB there is no certificate of occupancy on file, either. I know that may not mean anything if it's just an administrative snafu, but can anyone here shed any light on these things?

Unfortunately, no violations are registered with the HPD regarding bed bugs. But I've researched other properties with known bed bug problems and I haven't found one yet that lists that violation in the HPD database.

Posted by: twinreverb at September 1, 2009 12:34 PM

you did the right thing, one bedbug is too many. where there is one , there are others. this probably wasn't a bedbug just taking in the sights. we had bedbugs in our brownstone, we lease the top floor with 2 other tenants in the building. our neighbor under us went on a vacation and unwittingly brought back bedbugs. 3 weeks after they got back the whole building was infested. $5000 / 3 and 2 months later we were bedbug free. complete horror story. my wife is so freaked out now, she bought bedbug sprays,diatomaceous earth, allersac travel sheets and bedbug proof bags for when we travel. thank god they don't spread diseases, at least that we know of.

Posted by: foreveryoung at September 1, 2009 1:48 PM

So the entire building vacated without one violation being filed by the city? Are you all smoking from the same crack pipe? Srsly!

Posted by: modsquad at September 1, 2009 2:36 PM

I appreciate both your considerate tone and your helpful observations, modsquad.

Posted by: twinreverb at September 1, 2009 3:10 PM

modsquad's pleasure to serve.

Posted by: modsquad at September 1, 2009 6:20 PM

Seriously twinreverb, I don't think you have a case. I know of no law that requires the LL to divulge previous infestations. You have one bedbug allegedly from the apartment and the people downstairs have a dead one. You have a bunch of emails (worthless in court) from the wimpy former tenant(s) attesting to past infestations but no inspections by the city. There's plenty of people on this blog willing to give hand jobs, I'm just not one of them.

Posted by: modsquad at September 1, 2009 6:38 PM

1. BOP rests on tenant; 2. No evidence of a current condition; 3. Serious chip on the shoulder (at least you come across that way). OP your claim is specious at best.

Posted by: Zarathustra at September 1, 2009 7:27 PM

The landlord is just trying to pressure you. He won't follow through. I had a similar problem in an apt with a noise issue. I moved in and moved out one week later.

If you do go to court, you will win and you will set a precedent. It's a very current topic. I am sure the media would love to cove this.

Posted by: mopar at September 1, 2009 11:51 PM

i think everyone is overstating the media's interest in a single infestation. you never know. Are there any cute blonde kids with bites?

Anyway, I think a judge will be sympathetic. you should subpoena the individual you spoke with and ask him the following questions:

1. On ______ [date of lease signing], were you aware of any complaints of bedbugs in the building located at [______] within the six months prior?
2.When did you first become aware?
3. Were there any complaints of bedbugs in apt ____ within the six months prior to [date of lease]?
4. Were there any steps taken to remove them?
- Name of exterminator?
5. Did you inform the new tenants?
6. When asked about bedbugs by new tenants, did you make any reprsentations regarding bedbug complaints within the 6 mos prior?
7. Are you aware of a claim that bedbugs were found in the apt on [____]?
8. Was the claim investigated?
9. Were any extermination steps taken?
- The name of the exterminator?
10. Is the apt vacant or rented?
11. Was the current tenant/s advised as to any prior claims of bedbugs?


Presumably, these questions would result in a useful concession or perjury on a verifiable fact.


Posted by: slick at September 2, 2009 5:37 AM

Thanks to everyone - this is all appreciated! We may actually be close to a resolution on this, but I'll post here to update when I get a final answer from the landlord.

Zarathustra - specious though my claim might be, I reread all my posts here and I am having an equally hard time discerning the chip you claim is on my shoulder. I've been pretty straightforward and even-handed in this, even in my explanation of the landlord's actions.

I understand that some of you disagree with my actions and perhaps with my motivations, and I respect that. Perhaps I was remiss in my research on the apartment, and the law may or may not be on my side in the end. Regardless, I am willing to do whatever I have to in order to make sure my family doesn't end up having to deal with this.

Posted by: twinreverb at September 2, 2009 9:49 AM


No matter what, don't hire a lawyer.

You don't need one in Small Claims Court.

Why waste the money? The case is very simple.

Posted by: IronBalls at September 2, 2009 2:50 PM

Case closed. We are released from our lease, and money returned. Thank you to everybody for the help.

Posted by: twinreverb at September 4, 2009 3:59 PM

Great news. Congratulations. And good luck in your apt hunt.

Posted by: mopar at September 5, 2009 12:25 PM

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