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August 17, 2009
Shallow Stove?
My stove is placed in front of the unused chimneys and as result it sticking out compared to the cabinets next to it. I wonder if there are stoves, with depth less then the standard 24". For example a stove with three burners in one row? And if there are such stoves, do they have an adequate oven or I will need to put the oven separately?
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PC Richard sells small countertop units that have a small oven inside and burners on the top. They're the sort of thing a student might have in a dorm room -- nowhere as useful as a normal kitchen range.
No major US appliance dealers make more shallow ranges since standard countertops are 24" deep.
Why not have the "unused chimney" removed so you have space for normal kitchen appliances? If you own, I'd seriously consider it. I've taken out chimneys and it's often not as major a job as you might imagine.
Posted by: IronBalls at August 16, 2009 9:28 PM
I have seen 1930s stoves with three burners in a row, only one burner deep.
I have also seen that sometimes people dig out part of the chimney so a stove can fit in -- but as far as I can tell, it's the width of the brick they remove, not the depth. It looks very nice when the stove is inside the chimney. If you're thinking about doing this, I would consult a chimney expert first -- you don't want the wall or chimney to collapse.
Posted by: mopar at August 16, 2009 9:42 PM
If you're looking to reno, you can replace the stand-alone stove with a cooktop in a shallow (custom-made) cabinet, with a separate oven below. Some European ovens have less depth than the standard 22 or 23". They will be smaller, though, and are usually electric rather than gas, which may mean more work.
Posted by: cmu at August 16, 2009 10:30 PM
thanks everybody for response. I would look at removing chimneys as well. Will we need to remove whole chimney to the roof or just in the first floor kitchen?
thanks again.
Posted by: bobjohn at August 16, 2009 10:47 PM
Removing a chimney is tricky and lots of $$$.
You can frame and build out the entire area with tile,stone or metal to match the depth.
Posted by: jack slade at August 16, 2009 11:04 PM
You'll have to remove the entire chimney since it's supported from the bottom,
but the added space gained might be worth the effort. Also, you'll have to repair ceilings, walls, floors, and the roof where the chimney currently extends. Repairing the ceiling, walls, and roof should be pretty easy. Flooring can be more tricky depending on what you currently have.
I'd suggest hiring one contractor to do everything.
Posted by: IronBalls at August 16, 2009 11:07 PM
bobjohn,
I am assuming that you mean cooktops when you say "stove"? If so, I have seen a few cooktops that have only one row of burners, and so are very narrow. Miele comes to mind:
Ofcourse, like you say, the oven would be separate from the cooktop.
There is also the Binova Fires Line Cooktop which is mentioned on this post by Remodelista.
http://www.remodelista.com/2008/05/14/10-easy-pieces-gas-cooktops/
Posted by: Frudo at August 17, 2009 8:31 AM
You don't have to remove the entire chimney - a contractor would know how to shore it up. I took out a similar one & we had to leave a few more bricks than in the rest of the wall but since the chimney line is also the venting for the forced air heat I needed that chase anyway. It was done over 25 years ago & everything is still stable.
Posted by: Arkady at August 17, 2009 9:13 AM
You can remove as little of the chimney as you like. You will just have to add a steel lintel supported by the remaining brick on both sides to reinforce what remains above.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 17, 2009 9:22 AM
Supporting the upper portion of the chimney from below is not easy and may or may not be possible. You'll have to consult a structural engineer, and it'll probably cost much more than just removing the whole thing.
Removing bricks to slide in a range of some sort isn't a bad idea, but again, you should consult an engineer or you're taking a big risk.
Posted by: IronBalls at August 17, 2009 10:42 AM
Make sure this chimeny isn't the one being used by the furnace in the basement!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 17, 2009 10:51 AM
LISTEN TO JACK SLADE! I did this. It is much easier to just frame out the wall to meet the chimney and make everything a straight line. You can also put new electric and plumbing if you need it in the new wall. Much easier solution.
Posted by: tomgee at August 17, 2009 11:07 AM
you would remove an historic chimney from a brownstone in order to align a stove with new cabinets? That's just daft.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at August 17, 2009 11:49 AM
Minard Lafever: you are an ignorant idiot.
Posted by: bobjohn at August 17, 2009 2:39 PM
Hi,
When I redid my kitchen I brought the stove to the front of the chimney, and all the cabinets and counter tops are 3 feet deep. It is an unusual arrangement, but I like the extra depth for appliances, etc., and tops seem less cluttered.
Posted by: chmod at August 17, 2009 3:52 PM
I framed out the wall like jack spade and tomgee to meet the chimney. Except where I put the fridge and there it was nice to have more space which made me able to have a "counter depth" fridge by just having it go a little deeper towards the old wall. But I also like chmod's approach of having deeper counters.
Posted by: pmmtenement at August 17, 2009 6:18 PM
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