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July 23, 2009

Washer + Dryer Recs?

Have been looking at w/d reviews and basically none look reliably good. Have never owned them before and am looking for suggestions. Would prefer a stackable or combo unit with a shallow depth. Venting and large waste pipe drainage is available.

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I had to replace my small, apartment-sized Frigidaire Gallery stackable front-loading washers and electric dryers about 6 months ago and decided upon the Bosch Axxis stackable units based on their reputation and size. While they are physically smaller, they hold a larger load than my original Frigidaires.

After a few mis-starts ... had to re-wire my laundry closet for the new 4-plug 220 line, the dryer needed to be fixed as it didn't get hot enough ... all is finally working as it should.

One caveat ... the Axxis models that stack CANNOT use bleach! Bosch says the units heat the water enough that bleach for whites is not needed. The real reason is the hoses that are used ... they degrade with the use of bleach. My whites are not as white as they used to be ... even with using a detergent w/ bleach alternative.

If you have the space, get the Whirlpool Duet units ... the full-size units; NOT the smaller Sport models. I had these Duets when I owned a weekend home. They were great and I never had an issue with performance or any problems with operation. They are stackable or can be placed side-by side.

Posted by: tlocane at July 23, 2009 7:48 AM

If our budget fits, we are going to buy a pair of the Electrolux washer and dryer. I heard its best to buy the gas powered versus the electric ones.

Posted by: namahs at July 23, 2009 8:33 AM

If you're concerned about energy (as some posters are not,) 1. get a front-loader, never a top loader--1/2 water usage, gentler on clothes, less detergent use; 2. get gas dryer (3x as efficient as electric); 3. wash in cold water (proven to be no different than hot in most cases.)

I have 2 sets of Frigidaire, one 9 yrs old and one 2. No problems, and 1/2 the price of those Duet things. Note that the more expensive machines have more quirks (see above).

Don't get the extended warranty either (see Consumer Reports), it's not worth it.

Posted by: cmu at July 23, 2009 8:49 AM

tlocane, try Ecover's powder "bleach", it works really well.

Posted by: mshook at July 23, 2009 9:31 AM

We love our new Electrolux units....the capacity is huge and they have the same dimensions as smaller units.

Posted by: PHfamily at July 23, 2009 10:24 AM

I recently purchased a LG stackable washer and dryer (gas) set from Home Depot. I have used them almost daily and I am very happy with them. I shopped around and Home Depot definitely had the best prices.

Posted by: aocbklyn at July 23, 2009 11:46 AM

I have the full size Duets. I love them, but the washer is a replacement for a lemon. Luckily, I bought the warranty with the set at Lowe's with a 10% off coupon.

Lowe's was good about honoring the warranty and replaced when the tech couldn't fix.

I asked the tech if he repairs a lot of the Duets. He said he fixes lots of different new front loaders with a lot of electronics. All brands seem to have a glitch now again and he didn't seem think it was any one brand - high end or low. Just make sure to get the the warranty was his word of advice.

Once replaced, we've been going strong and I now love it. I have seen a drop in my water bill and I love the capacity. If you have the room for them, go for it!

Posted by: HmmWhichNeighborhood at July 23, 2009 11:47 AM

We bought a Kenmore washer and drier about two years ago. They're designed to be stackable or used side by side, and we stack them. We used Consumer Reports for research and bought at Sears. No complaints yet: they're quiet and use far less energy than the previous ones, which came with our coop.

Posted by: since 2000 at July 23, 2009 11:56 AM

I replaced a Maytag with the stackable Duet about 4 years ago. All in all it's ok but the dryer has a tendency to smell like mildew because of the way the gasket around the drain works. When you pull back to the gasket to clean it, you find dark shower mold. Whirpool sells packets to clean out the machine periodically. As far as I can tell, it removes the smell but getting rid of the mold/stain is trickier.
Like a fool I opted for the extended warranty. When a problem developed in the washer, it took 8 weeks to get it fixed. Company 1 decided after ordering the part (actually it was the wrong part) that they were no longer doing business with extended warranty co. Company #2 insisted that I remove the dryer and replace it when they were done. $150 for removal and $150 for replacement - the machine was fixed. NOT! - magically Company #2 was able to remove the dryer themselves after the screwed up the first time. I yearn for theold Maytag which had a stand allowing the washer to be pulled out for service. (Downside - a top loader - hard on clothes). The basic problem is that most of washer/dryer market in the US has space for side by sides and uses electricity to dry clothes.

Posted by: jmcg at July 23, 2009 1:47 PM

I have the Bosch Axxis stackable. But clearly made a mistake getting the condensation dryer. Can I change to a gas dryer? Takes light years to dry things...so I generally hang clothes on the line as a result. Nothing like crunchy towels.

Posted by: HurricaneKate at July 23, 2009 2:18 PM

I have the Bosch Axxis stackable. But clearly made a mistake getting the condensation dryer. Can I change to a gas dryer? Takes light years to dry clothes...so I generally hang clothes on the line as a result. Nothing like crunchy towels.

Posted by: HurricaneKate at July 23, 2009 2:19 PM

we have the bosch axxis stackable and it's not that great. the washer and dryer are very small and takes ages to dry everyhing. the washer is ok, but i wouldn't recommend this.

previously, we had a GE stackable spacemaker washer/dryer and it was terrific. the only reason we have a different one now is because we moved. i wish we brought the GE!

Posted by: funkymonkey at July 23, 2009 3:24 PM

Hurricane... I do not have the condensation dryer, but the standard Axxis model. It too takes longer than my previous Frigidaire Gallery, but truthfully, when it's done, everything is completely dry; not damp like my Frigidaire left clothes.

As to the time it takes to dry ... at first when my new Bosch was installed, it seemed to take forever. I called the service dept and they determined the temp control was defective. They replaced it and now everything is fine. I never have to run my clothes thru a second drying cycle like I used to w/ the Frigidaire.

I know gas dryers are more economical to run. I'm not sure how much better at drying they are.

Posted by: tlocane at July 23, 2009 3:50 PM

have had 2 kenmore(sears) stackers in past 30 years...no complaints, no repairs...
parents bought one 4 yrs ago, works great!

Posted by: gnapoleon at July 23, 2009 7:55 PM

I have italian washer combined with condensation drier. The washer goes mad once in a while and you need to drain water through the special procedure. The ventless drier is a joke. Besides you cannot use it separately, or to heat up things. For example I had to put waterproof spray on my snowboard gear and heat it up in drier.

Posted by: bobjohn at July 25, 2009 7:02 AM

I live alone, so I went for the Duet Sport. I'm not that happy, so I'd love to know how they differ from the full Duet. Previously I had the Maytag Neptunes, which I miss terribly!

Although there were some recalls on the Neptunes, I never had any problems. (The recalls were about mildew forming around the washer gasket, mentioned above for the current Duets, ironically.) In fact, they're still in use by my tenants.

I'm also going to paste a Consumer Reports article about trying to track which manufacturers make which brands:

CONSUMER REPORTS 2007
Our recent tests of refrigerators included more than 70 models from 20 brands.

That's a lot of companies, until you play appliance detective and discover that the $20 billion annual market for refrigerators, ovens, washers, and other major home appliances isn't such a vast place after all.

That activity turns out to be a bit like playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, though instead of the well-connected actor popping up repeatedly, a few mammoth manufacturers and
brands do.

Got pen and paper ready? We haven't covered every manufacturer, but this rundown will give you a good idea about who actually makes all those appliances. It's also worth noting that the manufacturing arrangements change all the time.

The Whirlpool Corporation, based in Benton Harbor, Mich., makes Whirlpool, KitchenAid, and Gladiator products. The company accounts for about 17 percent of major appliance sales in the U.S., following closely behind the General Electric brand (17.8 percent) and the Sears Kenmore brand (22.2 percent).

Over the years, the Whirlpool company has gobbled up Admiral, Amana, Jenn-Air, Magic Chef, and Maytag, and makes appliances for Ikea (ovens, ranges, cooktops, microwaves, refrigerators, freezers, and dishwashers) and Kenmore (some of the brand's refrigerators, dishwashers, washers, and dryers).

Gladiator and KitchenAid are two "Whirlpool bred" brands.
Whirlpool's certainly not the only Kenmore supplier. Frigidaire and LG also manufacture Kenmore refrigerators, Haier handles some of its compact fridges, and Danby makes some of its wine chillers, Bosch makes some of its dishwashers, and Electrolux and Sanyo build some of its freezers.

General Electric is well known for a vast array of products--lightbulbs, jet engines for military planes, and "The Today Show." But this corporate colossus, based in Fairfield, Conn., also makes appliances under the GE, GE Monogram, GE Profile, and Hotpoint brands.

Across the Atlantic, BSH Home Appliances is a leading purveyor of high-end appliances. This German company brings you upscale kitchen and laundry appliances under the brand names Bosch, Gaggenau, Siemens, and Thermador.

BSH has other bedfellows, including KitchenAid, for which it will start making induction cooktops in the summer. Keeping it in the family, KitchenAid turns out a built-in side-by-side refrigerator for Thermador.

Bosch's relationships spread as far as Asia--South Korea's Daewoo Electronics makes a Bosch side-by-side refrigerator.
Elsewhere in Europe, you might think of Electrolux as the onetime producer of those old, quirky-looking canister vacuums. But this Swedish manufacturer has also brought you refrigerators, freezers, washers, and more under its own nameplate and brands like Frigidaire, Gibson, Kelvinator, Tappan, and White Westinghouse.

Proving the Kevin Bacon theory, Electrolux is also
connected to Sears: It makes Kenmore dishwashers and high-end Kenmore Pro appliances.

Viking sounds Scandinavian, too, but the company, known for its pro-style ranges and built-in refrigerators, is actually based in Greenwood, Miss. It's a small world after all: Sweden's Asko company currently makes some of Viking's dishwashers. Viking does manufacture its other appliances (and by the end of 2007 will make its own dishwashers), except for a freestanding refrigerator that's made by Amana and undercounter fridges from Marvel.

Got all that?

Posted by: BKRed at July 26, 2009 7:29 PM

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