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June 16, 2009
Sanitation Tickets: Time of Day?
Got another absurd Sanitation ticket, but this one was written at 5:30AM! I vaguely recall that there were limited hours when the Sanitation gestapo are allowed to ticket buildings but have been unable to find the hours. Does anyone have a link to or know the schedule? Thanks.
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i got one, i didn't appeal, i just paid the 25 bucks. hmmm i wonder what are the chances to appeal the thing?
Posted by: armchairwarrior at June 15, 2009 3:12 PM
I'm assuming you can't appeal by mail. Correct?
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 15, 2009 3:15 PM
FYI, I called 311, and apparentlythe type of ticket I got (having one recyclable juice carton in a black bag) can be written any hour of the day! Gotta love NYC. I'd rather they just be honest about it and raise taxes rather than send out brownshirts to harass you to death with bs like this.
Posted by: ejalbk at June 15, 2009 3:31 PM
If they just increased the taxes there would be no chance to train people to recycle.
Don't put your juice cartons in black bags anymore.
Posted by: SenatorStreet at June 15, 2009 3:40 PM
There's plenty more out there, and some of it is not easily accessible/navigable:
Department of Sanitation, FAQ and rules and regulations:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/faq/faq.shtml
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/rules_reg/rules_reg.shtml
ECB, Understanding, Responding to Violations:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ecb/html/understand/understand.shtml
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ecb/html/respond/respond.shtml
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ecb/downloads/pdf/read_nov_200703.pdf
Recycling:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/downloads/pdf/rules/noa/recy-fr404.pdf
http://www.nrdc.org/cities/recycling/gnyc.asp?gclid=COWsgvWKjZsCFQXGsgodR3QVog
Laws of the City of New York:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ecb/html/legal/rules.shtml
http://24.97.137.100/nyc/AdCode/Title16_16-123.asp
§16–123 Removal of snow, ice and dirt from sidewalks; property owners' duties.
Posted by: vinca at June 15, 2009 4:17 PM
SednatorStreet,
You're assuming that the OP actually did have a juice carton in that black bag. Sanitation's thugs (err, sanitation "police") are quite capable of committing fraud.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at June 15, 2009 5:39 PM
I'm with Bob Marvin on this...and also note how frequently passersby throw their stuff in the any trashcan that's closest. The result is that I usually make a quick inspection before bringing cans forward, for the specific purpose of avoiding tickets. Here are two more URLs with sublinks that are useful:
http://nyc.gov/html/nycwasteless/html/recycling/recycle_what.shtml
http://www.cenyc.org/Oroe
Posted by: vinca at June 15, 2009 6:08 PM
The only sanitation ticket I ever received was patently fraudulent because-- 1. it was written for recyclables in a black bag and I don't use black bags and--
2. ALL of my neighbors had similar tickets taped to their doors that day.
Fortunately, the Sanitation employees evaluating mailed "not guilty" pleas are a lot more honest than those writing tickets and it was dismissed. However, I doubt that they disciplined the offending officer (who, IMO, SHOULD have been charged with "filing a false complaint", which is a misdemeanor).
Posted by: Bob Marvin at June 15, 2009 6:18 PM
my garbage is on a corner :(, so alot of passer bys would use it.
blah they would throw garbage into the recycles all the time. try to weed out the regular stuff. but sometimes it gets through!!
Posted by: armchairwarrior at June 15, 2009 6:23 PM
Unfortunately the system is set-up so that people who's very jobs are dependent on us breaking the rules (Sanitation Police) means that there is an inherent conflict of interest in finding violations.
When I was in Japan I witnessed their system which seemed highly efficient. Basically, each block had a designated person on recycle day whose job it was to accumulate the recyclables at central point on the block. Everyone would bring their recyclables to that spot it a certain time frame and they would sort out any mixing issues right there on the spot. The designated person would rotate each week and it was job of the residents to volunteer to do it each week. In all maybe you ended up doing 1X or 2X per year depending on how many people were on the block.
I liked that system because there was no fines, bogus violations, etc.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at June 15, 2009 8:29 PM
newsouthsloper...yes, and the Japanese line up to travel down one side of the escalator to allow for others to walk by them. They also don't push onto the subway before passengers have exited.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 16, 2009 8:48 AM
Excellent point DIBS. Perhaps our society is not ready for something like this as you aptly point out.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at June 16, 2009 10:07 AM
The city needs cash. end of story.
Posted by: sam at June 16, 2009 11:23 AM
that limited hours you were referring to has to do with cleaning curb .
Posted by: Petebklyn at June 16, 2009 11:31 AM
sam is right. You can't take it personally, it's more like a randomly administered tax.
Posted by: Bklyn Fire Alarm Guy at June 16, 2009 2:15 PM
I sometimes throw away "designated" recyclables... not often, but I do. And my landlord (old fart downstairs) NEVER recycles anything. I'm the only one that puts out recycling in my house.
We've never gotten a sanitation ticket.
Honestly, I didn't know recycling was "mandatory" in NYC, just suggested/encouraged. Is it really required?
btw, I'm all for it, just surprised.
Posted by: tybur6 at June 16, 2009 2:38 PM
(by the way, I don't produce a lot of garbage... so I put out recycling only about once a month. So there are many recycling pick-up days where it's just my landlord's garbage bags...)
Posted by: tybur6 at June 16, 2009 2:41 PM
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