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May 2, 2009
More on "Problems w/Pitbulls"
On last week's thread titled "More Problems with Pit Bulls — And Their Owners" I posted a seemingly feel-good story about a really sweet well-behaved pitbull who had been abandoned on my block:
http://tinyurl.com/ca8wcd
[my comment was at 1:06 PM]
Unfortunately, the people who were thinking about adopting this great dog could not do so and he ended up at Animal Control--here's his description:
http://tinyurl.com/cpl7qs
I WISH I could take him, but I can't :-(
If anyone is interested, I don't think AnimalControl keeps dogs very long before euthanizing them.
MR B.--I KNOW THIS ISN'T PROPER FORUM CONTENT, BUT PLEASE HAVE A HEART AND LEAVE IT UP FOR A WHILE
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The link to the dog's info is no longer good (neither the "Tiny URL" link, nor the 259 character long full link).
I fear the worst :-(
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 2, 2009 2:17 PM
Oh, this is so sad. Hopefully he got picked up by one of the many foster groups who rescue pits from the ACC. That's where I got mine. I think they keep dogs three days before euthanizing them.
Posted by: mshook at May 2, 2009 2:39 PM
Unfortunately CAC doesn't answer their phone, so there's no way to check.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 2, 2009 2:52 PM
BTW, if anyone has any contacts at CAC (or a number, other than the published one, that gets answered) their ID # for this dog is A807822;his name (given to him by one of my neighbors) is Cyrus.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 2, 2009 2:55 PM
GOOD NEWS! After making many phone calls, my wife was able to reach someone at CACC, who confirmed that Cyrus, the pit bull, was adopted by a family :-)
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 2, 2009 6:23 PM
YAY! And bless you, Bob, for caring so much.
Posted by: mshook at May 2, 2009 7:14 PM
I have no problem at all with the pitbull my greivience is with the idiots that own them. The best phrase they say after their dogd has attacked and eviserated someone? "Strange he never did something like that before!"
Posted by: hannible at May 2, 2009 7:47 PM
adopting a grown up dog is a risk. Friend of mine got a lawsuite with her adopted lab. The dog attacked a woman.
Pitbull is a much bigger risk then an average dog because of the pitbulls genetics. How we have an abandoned pitbull. Sounds like an attack waiting to happen.
And when it will happen I will have no pity to the pitbull owner.
Posted by: bobjohn at May 2, 2009 11:29 PM
Actually, in many cases pit bulls are abandoned precisely because they are not mean or aggressive enough. Some fool breeds a litter hoping for big, hard, mean dogs, and gets the soft, eager to please pit bull that turned up in Bob Marvin's yard (or the CACC, where mine got dumped, half starved and sick). And I would be interested to hear actual examples of real pit bulls "eviscerating" a human being.
Posted by: mshook at May 3, 2009 7:48 AM
"Cyrus" showed no signs of abuse or having been in fights. I suspect the story behind his being abandoned is very complex, but we'll never know it. I'll take his letting me pick him up and carry him out of my yard as evidence of overall good nature.One reason I couldn't take him was that I was afraid of what he'd do to my cat, but that was because Max, the cat[who thinks he's a catamount], is so aggressive towards big dogs that he might have goaded Cyrus beyond endurance.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 3, 2009 8:39 AM
mshook, please do not disinform people. If pitbull looks soft it does not mean, that one day it will not snap and moul somebody. I just typed "pitbull attacks" on google and here is the fist website from the list: http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
it has a list of attacks handy.
there are many others sites like this for your info.
Posted by: bobjohn at May 3, 2009 1:15 PM
bobjohn,
You could truthfully substitute any mammal, homo sapien included, for pitbull in your statement, although I doubt that anyone in the history of the world has ever been "mouled."
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 3, 2009 1:35 PM
You're right mshook, don't think there are too many eviscerated humans, just dead ones. However pits do specialize in eviscerating other dogs. When a dog gets in a fight with a pit, and realizes he will lose, he will often roll over on his back as a sign of submission. That's when the pit will rip his guts out.
Yeah, I know, it's not the dog, it's the owner, and the vast majority of pits are sweet and loveable. But when the sh*t hits the fan with a pit it gets real ugly real quick.
Type pit bull and eviscerate into a search engine and you'll get some nice stories.
Bob, that don't mean I know you're not trying to do a nice thing :-)
Posted by: denton at May 3, 2009 2:09 PM
That dog was very lucky to be adopted! I'm so glad! CACC keeps them 48 hours, I think. That's how I ended up with my current Pit. The woman who brought her in didn't realize it was a kill shelter, then freaked out. We pulled her off of death row and the rest is history.
Bob, the next time you pick up a Pit, you can try introducing him to your cat while he's on the leash...just in case. I've rescued and kept a few Pits and my cats always take care of themselves.
People fear the unknown and need to educate themselves on the subject.
Posted by: rh at May 3, 2009 2:56 PM
rh,
I suspect the problem might be that my cat might think he can take care of the pit. He's OK with small dogs and does have one large dog friend (or, at least one large neighbor dog who he tolerates) but he's pretty aggressive towards most large dogs. Max has a very brash personality and seems to think he's much bigger than his 14 lbs.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at May 3, 2009 4:00 PM
Ok, you can test him out on my dogs one day. I think it's funny when they run from cats. :)
BTW, I didn't mean you when I said "people need to educate themselves".
Posted by: rh at May 3, 2009 4:14 PM
rh, with all due respect. I brought facts. each of them illustrates how pitbull ruined somebodies life. there is a clear statistics about pitbull attacks. If I would be an insurance company, I will consider huge systematic risk. You arguments about cats cannot be quantified (and only idiots in AIG would buy it).
In other words: I have fasts - you got nothing.
Posted by: bobjohn at May 3, 2009 10:52 PM
Bob Marvin,
I agree that adopted adult dog poses greater risk. So as adopted child. But then you have to multiply this risk on the pitbull's character and this is where it becomes too much. Let's start from the profile of original owner. People have golden retrievers to play with kids, labs to have fun, German shepards to guard premises and dalmatians to meet girls. Pitbull's owner as was mentioned want to have scary dog. Not just scarry as "big scary dog", but scary in its unpredictability and ferociousness. Usually this is a ghetto attribute next to the Scarface t-shirt. So most likely the risk multiplied by the improper upraising of the dog because the first owner tryed to use the dog as a tool of projection of his insecurities.
The pond has many other dogs. So really if you about to save a dog - why not try any other but pitbull.
Posted by: bobjohn at May 3, 2009 11:08 PM
bobjohn, please google golden retriever mauling humans, and you will find a three year old girl losing her face. ANY dog can be agressive if not trained and treated correctly. Labradors are also more likely to bite humans. Hell, dachsunds have recently been cited as the dogs most likely to bite. Before blaming an entire breed of dog (and one which was once known as the "nanny dog" for its excellent behaviour with children; one that has been awarded medals for its service in war time; one that was once America's favorite dog) why not think about the social and economic realities of the situation. Bad people take advantage of this breed precisely because pit bulls are eager to please humans, and will work hard to do what they are trained to do. That, even in these circumstances, there are pits who still are incapable of being aggressive and who are then used as bait dogs, says more about their temperament than the fact that some of them get out of control.
Posted by: mshook at May 4, 2009 9:00 AM
"In other words: I have fasts - you got nothing."
You have "fasts". I have first hand experience with the breed over many years.
Posted by: rh at May 4, 2009 9:08 AM
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