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April 22, 2009
Speaking of Permits & Code...
Watching the TOH episode on the Brooklyn renovation, the electrician said that Romex was allowed for 1 & 2 family and three stories or smaller. I thought that BX was required for all work. Can anyone confirm?
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I have barely skimmed this, but see NEC (National Electrical Code) 334, and pages 43 and 44 of this link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/pdf/ll49of2006.pdf
I think if you google NEC 334.12 you'll come up with more links.
Posted by: vinca at April 22, 2009 3:05 PM
I guess its true, Vince. I don't think the electrician would have said it if it weren't and he was very specific about it. Now those extra light outlets I installed in my basement are all to code!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 22, 2009 3:29 PM
I figured that would make you (and someone's grandfather) happy. Never mind what the electrician said, you think the network would want to be liable for passing along false info?
Posted by: vinca at April 22, 2009 4:03 PM
Fairly sure that Romex is OK except in NYC. Even other parts of NY State allow it to be used. NYC code has always been very stict and it is my understanding that the do not allow the use of Romex.
Posted by: JoeBushwick at April 22, 2009 4:42 PM
Well, that licensed electrician on TOH in Brooklyn was pretty specific about it when he described when and where it could and could not be used.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 22, 2009 4:45 PM
The TOH info regarding Romex vs. BX sounds true for the NEC. For electrical wiring I had always heard that NYC would only allow BX no matter what the building type. NYC did revise its electric code but I haven't really been inclined to read it.
And what about PVC pipe? Under the ould cold it was clearly not permissible to use except for 12" or larger sections not attached to supply piping or storm or sanitary sewer. Yet, go to any Lowes or Home Depot and there it is with all it's availble sizes and connections....
Posted by: bessie2 at April 22, 2009 5:18 PM
I understand Romex is now OK for one or two family houses under the new building codes. Ditto for some PVC. I can't back that up tho.
Posted by: denton at April 22, 2009 5:48 PM
Romex and PVC are both legal in 1 and 2 family here in Brooklyn. No mixed use buildings though. I did a building (one fam) not too far from you Dave. Did BX and Iron pipe. Overall cost is not that far apart. Romex needs open wall inspections. PVC is crap.
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Posted by: planettech9 at April 22, 2009 7:47 PM
For all out there confused with PVC waste pipe for Plumbing...Old code stated that it could be used in a residential building 3 stories or less (regardless of 1 or 2 family status). New code brings that up to 5 stories. Not to be nasty, but I wish the Plumbing Code advice on this blog would be left to the Plumbers who study the code!!
Posted by: Brooklyn Plumber at April 22, 2009 10:32 PM
Agreed, Brooklyn Plumber. Thanks. Yes, I knew that PVC waste had been allowed for 3 stories or less but it was the recent inclusion of Romex as well that surprised me. My building has a mix of cast iron & PVC. If you don't insulate around your PVC waste pipes, Pig three is right, it sucks because you hear all the water flowing down; not with cast iron.
Oig Three I can understand the open wall inspection issue with Romex due to the need to staple/attach properly and the protection required at each stud for nailing.
Just glad I can use Romex now for minor projects and still meet code.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 8:12 AM
Dave, the noise is one of the main reasons we try to install cast iron instead of PVC (3 stories or less). For the difference in price, it's worth the quiet!!
Posted by: Brooklyn Plumber at April 23, 2009 1:25 PM
I just joined and stumpled on this thread. I am an electrician so I wanted to correct erroneous postings. NM cable is approved for use in NYC under certain situations (1 or 2 family dwelling is one example) and does NOT require any different inspections than BX. In other word there is NOT an open walled inspection for romex.
Posted by: richie921 at June 17, 2009 7:25 PM
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