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August 13, 2008
Commerical Airplane flying over Prospect Park
Wanted to know what can be done if anything about all of the commercial planes flying over Prospect Park West? They are extremely loud.
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You live in a metropolitan area surrounded by 3 major airports. Are you serious? My answer would be to move to Montana.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 13, 2008 11:25 AM
write your congressman
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 13, 2008 11:46 AM
First get a nice tall ladder and a big net on a long pole. Then, climb to the top of the hill across the lawn from the Garfield entrance (or better yet, the roof of Turner Towners). Then . . .
Prospect Park has been on the LaGuardia approach route for as long as I can remember. Good luck getting that changed.
Posted by: slopefarm at August 13, 2008 12:13 PM
that is the most stupid post i have ever read.
ever.
Posted by: sarahpgee at August 13, 2008 12:46 PM
Don't fly anymore in or out of New York - then the planes will be less full by one and therefore less noisy
Posted by: JasonB at August 13, 2008 12:57 PM
Commence digging.
Posted by: James Patience at August 13, 2008 1:09 PM
This is not the quality of life issue for me that is for others. However, see the link below for people in Prospect Park neighborhoods who are already working on this:
www.bbparkslope.com/psqol
Posted by: vinca at August 13, 2008 1:20 PM
FWIW- One fine windy day I noticed a kite flying very very high over Prospect Park, in fact the kite was so high it almost unrecognizable as a kite. I thought that a plane was going to hit it. For the rest of the afternoon (as long as the kite was flying) the planes steered clear of Prospect Park.
Posted by: southslope at August 13, 2008 1:34 PM
Have you tried yelling out the window and shaking your fist at them?
Posted by: slopenick at August 13, 2008 1:35 PM
The photos shown on the Prospect Park Quality of Life Committee sight are HYSTERICAL showing the planes like UFO sightings!
I'd heard the talk but never knew they really existed! Thank goodness they provided proof that airplane travel is real and not just some hooey some person on the inter-web made up!
Get a grip people (or at least a hobby).
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 13, 2008 2:03 PM
vinca...i wouldn't have believed that site existed if I hadn't viewed it with my own eyes!!! So much time and effort put into such a ridiculous effort where anyone with an once of sanity knows that nothing will ever come of it.
Mr. B...please add emoticons....Where's that "Loser" one with the fingers making the "L" when you need it???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 13, 2008 2:10 PM
Maybe if you ask nicely they'll tell the airplanes to cut their engines over Bay Ridge and coast in.
Posted by: Steve at August 13, 2008 2:10 PM
Dave- so not true. They can route them over the armory here in Crown heights so the passengers can wave to all the homeless.
I want to protest the sirens from fire trucks- why can't they go to a fire quietly?
And why must I suffer with hot pavement in the summer? Why doesn't the government put cooling fans on every street?
Seriously- where do these people think the planes should be rerouted to? Oh, let me guess- over some other neighborhood. For the record I am under a flight path too, and close to the LIRR which I hear all the time. It's not a big deal. On the other hand, there are people in Queens who really have a problem with airplane noise. And shockingly enough, they cope.
Posted by: bxgrl at August 13, 2008 2:23 PM
Exactly. The complaint from these people isn't that planes are flying over Brooklyn, but that planes are flying over Park Slope. Where the people have more privileges. To ask for the flight paths to be moved simply means asking them to send the plans over some other neighborhood. I understand hating the sound of planes and this stinks for people, but I'd hardly proudly proclaim in public I want to torture another neighborhood so I'm more at peace. What's with that? That's something a wealthy Republican town in South Florida where my parents retired would do. Not a supposedly liberal enclave in Brooklyn, NYC.
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 13, 2008 3:07 PM
How about building a new airport out over the ocean - then when you land you can get a boat to Manhattan or Red Hook and then continue your journey from there?
Posted by: JasonB at August 13, 2008 3:21 PM
JasonB...then they'd expect the boat to be free as if it was taking them to Ikea!! There's no end to what entitled people think they should have.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 13, 2008 3:28 PM
If you find a way to do anything about maybe you can help with the traffic helicoptors that used to hover over my old apartment in Carroll Gardens. I always enjoyed when they started hovering at about 5:00 AM.
Posted by: Boerum Hill at August 13, 2008 3:37 PM
dave sez:
"write your congressman"
Yes! Send a letter to Senator Charlie Schumer and ask him to do something about the horrible airplane noise in Prospect Park.
You can just drop it off with Senator Schumer's doorman. He lives on Prospect Park West.
Posted by: WonTon at August 13, 2008 4:07 PM
Why not enjoy them? My wife and I spent many pleasant summer evenings on our roof deck watching them fly over. Didn't seem particularly loud.
Posted by: denton at August 13, 2008 4:17 PM
From the petition
"....THAT WAS NEVER--AND CAN NEVER--ACCOMODATE THE INSANE AMOUNT OF INCOMING AND OUTGOING TRAFFIC"
One of my pet hates is when people miss the second M in accomModate (the other of course, is when the put the E in SepArate!" :D
Posted by: 99luftballons at August 13, 2008 4:27 PM
Denton,
That's actually Senator Schumer himself flying overhead in the Delta shuttle to/from LaGaurdia, at least twice a week. Maybe OP can come up to your roof and hold up a sign with big letters asking for a route change (I'd offer mine but there's no deck or guard rail).
Posted by: slopefarm at August 13, 2008 4:57 PM
NIMAS...Not In My Air Space
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 13, 2008 5:00 PM
Lots of people are giving you bad information. Ed Towns' office is very interested in where planes fly and in the past his office was working closely with the FAA. I know one flight path is supposed to be over the Gowanus Canal but it's easier for them to go at an angle over dense residential so they were taking the short cut. Towns office put a stop to that quickly. Just call his office. I've called the one on Court St about a couple of different issues over the years and found them very responsive.
You wouldn't be so entertained if they were flying low over your house every 4-6 minutes - in Carroll Gardens which is not exactly near an airport. And then there was the time a blue blob about 6-8" diameter landed in my front yard. And you know what that is. It came straight down and went through a thick, hard crust of ice over snow. Not acceptable.
Call your Congressman.
Posted by: jfss at August 13, 2008 9:43 PM
ATC isn't that capricious about routing aircraft on intermediate approach. Pilots flying into Laguardia normally fly a straight precision approach under instruments but winds aloft will sometimes require the aircraft to fly a different vector for the turn to final. Because the aircraft are flying relatively slowly it's a safety thing.
Posted by: Steve at August 14, 2008 1:12 AM
This makes me embarrassed to be a Park Sloper. Come on, people, stop giving the snarks such good material!
-- double-wide-pushing park slope mom who is already defensive about all the stereotypes and hates when they're proven true
Posted by: bennylava at August 14, 2008 8:47 AM
ifss- and the only solution is to make it another neighborhood's problem. that's what rerouting will do, and while yuo may not care, the rest of us do. Its a fact of modern day life.
And I speak from experience- I live under a flight path now, and also growing up in the Bronx.(We also lived above the rail yards, a circumstance known in my family as "the Great Congruence." We dealt with it. You'd be surprised at how well people can cope. You seem to think planes are like cars, "but it's easier for them to go at an angle over dense residential so they were taking the short cut."
But I am sure you want airports conveniently located, and access to flights when you need them, because as we all know sitting in the airport for hours is not fun. So complaining about the noise begs the question- what's the solution? rerouting is no answer because there are many reasons why it is difficult if not impossible. And again, rerouting just makes it someone else's problem. Maybe we should just stop all flights and raze the airports? Become Luddites?
Posted by: bxgrl at August 14, 2008 9:03 AM
Bxgirl: that's exactly what it is, or as someone else said, Not In My Air Space. Here in Bay Ridge I live about a quarter mile from the (IIRC) R-221 approach vector to LGA. But winds aloft often bring those planes directly over me. I just tell myself it could be worse. I could live in Howard Beach.
I also have the NYPD heliport three blocks away so I have very loud Bell 412s under full power zooming about 150 feet over my house after they refuel. Fortunately, I dig helicopters.
Posted by: Steve at August 14, 2008 10:03 AM
Whahhh....Whahhhh!
"Ed Towns' office is very interested in where planes fly" "I've called the one on Court St about a couple of different issues over the years and found them very responsive."
God help the poor people who work in that office!
If you can't take the noise of living in the city. Quit whining and move.
Ridiculous!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 14, 2008 1:04 PM
"Hello"
"Hi, I'm calling about the noise that the planes overhead make."
"Yes?"
"Is there anything that Ed can do about this?"
click
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 14, 2008 1:16 PM
I can't help myself...
I'm just so curious as to what the other "couple of different issues" were that Ed Towns' office had to assist you with.
Do tell...
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 14, 2008 1:42 PM
I think this post was a joke and you all bit. Otherwise this person is a complete presumptuous boob, what next, the traffic and buses? the garbage trucks? close all the bars and restaurants at 8pm? This is fucking NYC, it took us centuries to get rid of those damn crickets.
Posted by: bmfesq at August 15, 2008 3:04 PM
Go to any public meeting of a community board and you'll hear at least one person griping about aircraft noise so, no, I don't think it was a troll. Hell, they even gripe about loud fish down here in Bay Ridge:
http://www.brooklynrowhouse.com/node/98
Posted by: Steve at August 15, 2008 3:35 PM
Most people seem to miss the point here. No one is asking that the planes fly over other neighborhoods. The people who are fighting this, for example, http://AirTrafficParkSlope.org, make the point that this INCREASE in air traffic is a result of the FAA redesign of the air space that took effect July 31, 2008. You may have noticed that since that date, 85% of the traffic into LGA is flying over Park Slope. Before this date, the air traffic was fairly rotated over WestChester and Rockland counties as well as Connecticut and Long Island. This increased air traffic has been redirected down from activist communities in these communities. Senator Dodd of Connecticut has threatened to cut the FAA funding over complaints from his constituents. Would that Senators Schumer or Clinton be so inclined. In any case, if you want to help fight this, sign the petition at http://AirTrafficParkSlope.org and/or contact them to help fight for a more fair rotation pattern.
Posted by: artsyogaman at August 20, 2008 5:49 PM
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