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August 25, 2008
Aga ranges
Anyone have one? I just bought a Legacy duel fuel. How easy/difficult is installation? It says on their website, "Must be installed by a competent gas mechanic or appliance technician in your area. For a list of preferred vendors, please use our service locator." Is this really necessary? Do you need a specialist, or can any competent handyman/contractor handle the job?
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I have an Aga 6-4 DF. It's not installed yet, but I don't plan to use an Aga certified technician to install it. I'm trusting that my GC, who has done plenty of pro-style range installations, is competent enough to handle the job. I've talked with Aga-Heartland tech services about this very question. Aga recommends a certified technician for their traditional cookers. But, as for the Legacy and 6-4 units, that is pretty standard equipment and no specialist should be necessary for installation.
Posted by: Brooklynista at August 26, 2008 6:29 AM
Don't, especially if you are thinking about the ridiculous Aga range that is "always on (meaning it has its burners permanently on)", which is a terminal waste of fuel (maybe not in winter when it will heat your parlor quite well 24/7.)
Hmm, I note the 6-4 is only $9,000 and maybe it does not stay on all the time.
Aga is even more pretentiously overrated than Viking. Prone to failure. Expensive to repair. Expensive to run. Remember, it's British, and they gave us Lucas electronics and Lotus cars.
Looks good, though. I suggest a large photo mural for the backsplash instead.
Posted by: cmu at August 26, 2008 9:25 AM
First of all, there are different kinds of Agas. The Aga that is "always on" is the traditional Aga Cooker. That is an all gas unit, constructed of enamelized cast iron and which cooks/bakes by way of radiant heat. That unit has very few bells and whistles and, as such, rarely breaks down, if ever. It is known to have very long life lines, and in fact, I have yet to hear of one to be pronounced as irretrievably dead. (As an aside, Aga, the company, has been in business for approximately 90 years. No way would they have lasted this long if their product was as faulty as CMU claims.)
The Aga Legacy and 6-4 are much more contemporary, dual fuel models that have been introduced to the North American markets (and elsewhere) only a few years ago. Unlike the traditional cookers, they do not stay "always on" but can be started up and shut down, just like any other range. I'm not sure about the construction of the Legacy, but the 6-4 is also an enamelized cast iron unit that is an excellent conductor/conserver of heat for cooking/baking. Neither of these models are any more expensive to run than a standard DF range. Nor is there any credible repair history/ track record that has developed as yet on either of these units. At this point, any so-called record of rate of break downs is totally anecdotal, as are the many rave performance reviews I have seen and/or personally received from Aga Legacy and 6-4 owners.
Deepbtuz, as with anything, I'm sure you know to take care in placing reliance upon advice and opinions that are culled from the internet. You have no way of knowing why, how, or on what people are basing their claimed knowledge. I have found this to be especially true when it comes to Aga ranges. At this point, these products are marketed to, and serve, a small, niche market. They are not well known in the US and, unfortunately, most of what is known pertains to the traditional Aga Cooker and not the Legacy or 6-4.
At any rate, if you want more informed data and opinions on Agas, I suggest you (1) call Aga-Heartland technical services (in Canada); join other Aga owners on the Agalovers group on Yahoo Groups or the Forum on the Aga-ranges website.
Good luck!
Posted by: Brooklynista at August 26, 2008 10:14 AM
Oh my gosh, that's a horrid waste of fuel, CMU is right. What kind of company would design something like that in this day and age? Very much a product for the consumers who bought Hummers all those years.
They're pretty though, the Aga.
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 26, 2008 10:15 AM
I stand corrected on the Aga cooker vs the "normal" Aga, thank you, brooklinista.
But the point I was trying to downplay (oh heck, why bother, I've made this plenty of times,) is that there's a level of ostentation and pretension in buying a $10,000 stove.
Unlike say a car (BMW vs Yugo) where the sheer complexity of the functions served are vast and therefore legitimately subject to a wide range of standards, there's not much a 10k cooker can do that a 1.5k one cannot. And this is spoken from experience (first hand, and chef friends') If one wants to wax eloquent over the abilities of the Viking over a Magic Chef, of course one can do so, but there's not much objectivity there. Even as a fairly regular cook myself, a range is an dumb appliance and if it turns on and flames evenly and regularly, that's enough for me.
Posted by: cmu at August 26, 2008 10:53 AM
"Remember, it's British, and they gave us Lucas electronics and Lotus cars."
Why do the British like warm beer? Because they all have Lucas refrigerators!
Wouldn't mind a Lotus or XKE myself...
cmu, I hear what you're saying, but there are many people (including myself) who take pleasure in finely crafted things. Who needs a Rolex when a digital watch keeps better time? But that's not the point. I'm looking forward to my 6 burner Wolf when and if my kitchen gets done!
Posted by: denton at August 26, 2008 11:49 AM
My question to you, CMU, is why are you are concerned about what anyone else chooses to spend on their stove? So what if I chose to spend 7K+ on it (which is what my 6-4 cost me, btw, and not the 10k that horrifies you :)? Would my "ostentatious" and "pretentious" choice of a cooking unit be more palatable (yes, pun intended)if you knew that, while I spent that amount on my range of choice I continue to drive around in my 12 year old car with 125k miles on it? Or that I don't have a flat screen TV, or even cable TV, for that matter? My point is, most of us in America (and especially those of us who are writing into a website called Brownstoner) likely have something in our lives that others might deem "ostentatious" or "pretentious."
Truth is, I actually agree with you that the cost of pro-style ranges, and other high-end appliances has become outrageously expensive. Indeed, there was once a point in my life when, like you, I would have thought it totally absurd to even consider spending this kind of dough on a range with 6 burners and 4 ovens (one each for roasting, convection, simmering and a broiler)). But, the peculiar circumstances of my life (including the loss of my antique stove in the midst of my neverending reno - a beloved unit I'd been cooking on for over 25 years, btw) combined in such a way that this choice of the Aga 6-4 ending up making a whole lot of sense to me. And, yes, for a period style/ country kitchen remodel, the Aga's looks were very much a part of that decision. But I fail to understand why this should irk you. Would you like me to come over to your house and start speculating on where and how I think you have wasted your money?
BTW, despite my enthusiastic response, please don't read my tone as antagonistic. I'm not looking to get into a drawn-out debate with anyone over an appliance decision I've made for myself that I am quite happy to live with. At the same time, as an Aga owner, I was only hoping to share some info about the product with the OP. To each his or her own.
Posted by: Brooklynista at August 26, 2008 12:00 PM
Well, y'all got me so curious I decided to have a look at the website. I was looking at the 'Companion', a lil' stove only 24" wide.
Now I'm really curious. The specs call for a 220v 30amp dedicated circuit(!) You could power an entire electric stove with that and have room for a AC unit for the kitchen! What on earth does it use this electric for?
Posted by: denton at August 26, 2008 12:11 PM
Oops, didn't realize the ovens were electric!
Posted by: denton at August 26, 2008 12:39 PM
Thanks Brooklynista for the advice I appreciate it. Why would I defend my consumer choices on the internet? BTW, the question was about installation.
Posted by: deepBTUz at August 26, 2008 1:27 PM
I think any handyman or plumber can install just about any range. Just make sure the gas line and igniter receptacle are in the correct position behind the range and that the line is the correct amperage.
Posted by: Bolder at August 26, 2008 2:05 PM
I personally would use an authorized installer. You'd hate to have your contractor (no matter how competent they are) make a mistake and somehow void any warranties. To spend that much on the unit and skimp on the install doesn't seem worth it.
P.S. Both my aunt and my grandmother in England still cook with their original coal/wood burning AGA's and I've never tasted food so good in my life. It also heats their water. So I think if you actually use it then it's worth the scratch.(just my two cents)
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 26, 2008 2:43 PM
TownhouseLady,
Perhaps your aunt and grandmother are exceptional cooks because my mother in law in Ireland cooks with her original Aga and.....
I'd love to inherit the Aga, but shipping it would cost more than buying new here. Not that I cook. It would just be for show. And storage. So it wouldn't waste gas.
Posted by: rh at August 26, 2008 3:08 PM
Just make sure that the warranty will still be valid if you DON'T use a certified installer.
Posted by: BrooklynButler at August 26, 2008 3:18 PM
Yeah, what BrooklynButler said. Funny how sometimes the simplest solution goes right over your head! Thanks BB.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 26, 2008 3:31 PM
The AGA was originally designed for draughty country houses in the British isles and being on 24/7 with locally supplied fuel was perfectly reasonable. It was not designed "in this day and age" a la 10.15.
Also CMU, the British gave us Bentleys and Aston Martins, and many of those jet engines that hold you aloft are Rolls Royce. We could say that the US gave the world the Ford Pinto and three mile island. Not really fair tho.
Posted by: dittoburg at August 26, 2008 3:31 PM
"is why are you are concerned about what anyone else chooses to spend on their stove?"
Just in two days, we get a post from someone who has bought a new, hi-end range and is thinking of replacing it with a newer, higher-end one.
And at the top, someone's throwing out a (probably) perfectly serviceable 3-year old medium-end range to install a 'dream 36"' range.
I guess a (over) concern for the well being of the planet when people waste resources because they have the money drives me to comment. No doubt uselessly. But I cringe when I hear the words "gut renovation."
At least there's one person who's doing something very green on board...way to go, lisa, yesterday.
Posted by: cmu at August 27, 2008 1:27 PM
So the Brits specialize in elitist, hand-built, very expensive luxury products. Okay. They don't have a real space program and they didn't invent the personal computer or cure Polio. If I had to choose what kind of technology is more helpful to the world, gee, think I'd choose the latter.
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 27, 2008 1:30 PM
traditionalmod where are you going with this? Are you mad at the Brits for making those things? Should they cringe in shame because they made a stove and not a rocket? Are all of your life successes meaningless because you haven't discovered the cure for cancer?
I don't get it.
Tangent, sorry.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 27, 2008 1:47 PM
Let's not get off track. The question is about installing an Aga range, not the relative merits of British industrial contributions.
I had the Aga Companion installed about a year ago. My regular plumber hooked up the gas connection. My electician put in a 220 line and I plugged it in. No problems. It comes all put together in a big crate, just open the box and connect. I love it. It is the best range I have ever used. I got mine at Krups Kitchen and Bath on 18th Street in Manhattan. It cost about 3400., which was about 1100. less than the Aga showroom charges.
Don't be afraid of installing the dual fuel Aga.
Posted by: hancock1 at August 27, 2008 2:33 PM
Silly question - how do you correctly pronounce "Aga"? I've heard it 3 different ways, none of which from anyone from the UK, just pretentious Americans. Last time I was in London, I was going to ask, but I didn't want to sound like an ignorant Yank, and no one brought it up in conversation.
Is it Awe-ga? like awesome
Ahh-ga?
or ay-ga? long a, like amen
Posted by: Montrose Morris at August 27, 2008 6:05 PM
It's pronounced Ah-Gah, MM. And I am definitely NOT a pretentious American, Aga owner and all! :)
Posted by: Brooklynista at August 27, 2008 6:19 PM
Townhouselady, it was Dittoburg who brought up the Brits and he listed the luxury items they make then indicated Americans make or do nothing of quality. Dittoburg's snobbery is what I was reacting to. Try reading up a little further! Goodness.
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 27, 2008 7:08 PM
This is what Dittoburg said that I responded to, which confused and enraged Townhouselady so much. But CMU's post ended up between Dittoburg's and mine:
"Also CMU, the British gave us Bentleys and Aston Martins, and many of those jet engines that hold you aloft are Rolls Royce. We could say that the US gave the world the Ford Pinto and three mile island. Not really fair tho."
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 27, 2008 7:15 PM
Traditionalmod, I usually dig your posts, but I think you're a bit off target this time. I actually shared a similar reaction to your post about the Brits with Townhouse Lady (although I would not have expressed in quite the same way she did). :) If you follow the line of discussion from Cmu to Dittoburg, Dittoburg doesn't come off as snobbish. He's only suggesting that countries can produce all kinds of things that can be either "good" or "bad," including America. He even qualified his reference to some of America's lemons as being "not really fair tho." Similarly, just because the Aga is a British product doesn't immediately render it suspect is the point.
Well, you are right, Hancock1 and DeepBTUz, we have definitely gotten off the track of initial point of the post. Although IMO, whenever Agas come up for discussion, this kind of passionate back and forth that strays far from the point of origin is pretty typical.
Posted by: Brooklynista at August 27, 2008 7:36 PM
(waving a white flag)
Posted by: TownhouseLady at August 27, 2008 9:58 PM
Well, I still think overall it was suggested here if people don't sacrifice to buy the top of the top, they end up with junk. Whether with an automobile or a range. Or a stroller, the other big debate always on Brownstoner. It rubs me the wrong way and it's unfamiliar to me. I grew up in the Midwest and though we were very comfortable financially, we just didn't participate in that kind of thing (much to my chagrin as a teen, believe me). My father could afford Armani but he wears whatever he found on clearance in the local department store or Sears. I really do think the new way to be in our society is to be less focused on status items. It's feeling more modern and cool. We're seeing it. Like the handmade movement. Green re-use movement. It's awesome.
Anyway, apologies for again going off topic!
Posted by: traditionalmod at August 29, 2008 10:38 AM

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