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May 15, 2008

Van Brody

Why do some people feel Van Brody is a bad developer?

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First of all, Van Brody is an architect, not a developer (though I believe he may have a finger in the development pie of 457 Atlantic which is, I presume, the project that prompted your post).

Before I answer your question, let me expound on what I would do before buying any new apartment, pre-construction (granted I'm fortunate enough to be in the industry, but you don't have to be to glean this information). First, determine who the architect is and who the developer is. Do a Google search for both names. If you see a phone number for the developer, do a Google search on that too; developers often adopt a new name for each project but don't change their number. Somewhere in the Google searches there will be an Excel spreadsheet from the DOB containing references to other jobs the architect and/or developer has worked on. View those projects "in the flesh" if completed and, if possible, ask folks inhabiting the building about their experiences with it. Plug the project addresses into the DOB Building Information System and get a sense of the number and severity of complaints and violations issued (457 has 21 complaints and 22 violations 4 of which are still open). I'm not saying this is "proof" of whether a job is being handled by a team that cares about the final product, but it's a damned good indication. Google is your friend. For instance I discovered a few months back that the developer of a small site on the South side of Atlantic near me is a disbarred attorney and the proposed builder was a convicted chop-shop operator. I would definitely pass on that one.

Now on to your specific question. Van Brody was the architect for 489 Atlantic / 480 State Street, a through-block development just up the street from 457 Atlantic. The zoning laws were "bent" to the nth degree in that self-certified job to maximize the built square footage (quite apart from the fact that the project itself is a joke aethetically inside and out). A few people on the block, myself included, were so outraged at what was going on that we got the drawings from the DOB and, based on what we saw, raised objections to the DOB's assumption that self-certification meant everything was fine and dandy. Ultimately the DOB mandated that substantial changes to the almost-finished project had to be made. At least one of those changes has not been executed and I presume that's the reason why the development still lacks a C of O. Yeah, it sucks for the developer, sucks for the buyers, but, you know what, having a building like that in one's neighborhood which only got built by lying on the self-certification form sucks too. I think entering into a contract with someone who uses those methods is a mistake.

The number of buildings around here that are half empty because they're crap or have C of O problems is astounding. Just take a look at that Dryvit POS on Third and Atlantic just behind Hank's some time. It's been finished for nearly a year now and damned if I see any lights in it.

Please understand that I'm not painting all new projects with the same brush. There are several in Boerum Hill and its vicinity that I think are an asset to the neighborhood and that I would be happy to live in were I in that particular market. The fact of the matter is, though, that they're all being designed and built by architects, developers and builders who have already established a reputation for quality.

Posted by: johnife at May 15, 2008 6:29 PM

I understand you feeling and I thank you very much for your response...I am also in the industry and am very involved in development of large scale projects in Manhattan. The reality about complaints and violations while a job is in process is very normal...especially since developments generally take at least 18 months from start to finish.

With regard to the self certification process you spoke of...that is industry standard and all developers/builders/contractors/architects/ect....use it. If you had to wait for the building department to do everything a project would take 15 years.

So it generally sounds like the reason SOME people don't like Van Brody is because (1) the don't like his design asthetic which is entirely subjective and you are totally entitled to your opinion, and (2) because people generally don't really understand how a development really works and how the DOB works.

Posted by: guest at May 16, 2008 8:38 AM

John Ife,

You are incorrect. Van Brody is not just an architect - he's also a developer and has been involved in several projects in the south slope.


Posted by: guest at May 16, 2008 9:39 AM

Was this a real post or a set-ip for John Ife's long dissertation on someone most of us have never heard of? Is there some sort of neighborhood dispute going on? Rather inexplicable.

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at May 16, 2008 10:31 AM

I agree with everything that John Ife says except that the Dryvit POS on Third and Atlantic just behind Hank's does have people living in it.

Posted by: guest at May 16, 2008 3:56 PM

I have to disagree with the poster who responded to John's post. Yes, the self certification process is used by just about everyone in the industry, but that does not mean that everyone abuses it. The last project that I worked on was a 12 unit building in the Bronx and the architect was scrupulous with regards to self certification. I had a design change that I wanted to put in to give visual interest to the facade where the first course of bricks would have been bumped out literally ONE INCH!!! The architect refused to allow it, despite the fact that there was some discrepancy as to where the lot line began. So while it is normal for developers to use the self certification process, there are those who abuse the process to a ridiculous degree and those who don't. I was annoyed that the architect wouldn't budge, but he'll do another project for me because I know that he won't deviate from what he believes is right for the sake of a few bucks, which is what many architects do.

Posted by: guest at May 16, 2008 9:02 PM

I am currently in contract for a unit in 457 Atlantic. The closing date has been moved back several times and there is no definitely closing date in sight. Is this because of the open violations? Based on what John Ife said about Van Brody's other development on Atlantic, I fear that I may never move in!

Posted by: hk4bk at May 16, 2008 9:27 PM

hk4bk,

Just to be clear, I have no evidence that the open violations at 457 are an insurmountable impediment to the building getting a C of O. I would strongly suggest that you both ask the developer what the status is with regard to getting the C of O and go down to the DOB in Brooklyn to get verification of the status. If the two stories differ.......well, draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: johnife at May 16, 2008 10:39 PM

Oh, and I just checked on the DOB site, and the State Street building of the 489 Atlantic /480 State project did finally get a C of O in February even though the Atlantic side building still doesn't show one. About the same stats as the Mets so far this year actually. "You Gotta Believe!"

Posted by: johnife at May 16, 2008 11:21 PM

Well, I am a big Mets fan. Hopefully, both the building and the Mets will come through soon. I will keep checking with the DOB and the developer. Thanks for the info!

Posted by: hk4bk at May 18, 2008 9:03 PM

I am also in contract to purchase a unit at 457 Atlantic Avenue. I recently set up a google group for future owners at the building. If you put your email address in a post I can invite you into the group.

If anyone else wants to join the group, please post your email address as well.

Regards

Posted by: guest at May 18, 2008 9:43 PM

John is right about everything that he wrote there. As a neighbor of the Monstrosity that is 480 state/489 atlantic, I recommend anyone who wonders about the quality of Van Brody Style (yes, his ads say that)to take a stroll down the block (between nevins and Third.) It's a site/sight to make your eyes sore. The ugliest building and cheapest interior I, for one, have ever seen.

And boy, were they bad neighbors during construction. That is another long story that does not bear repeating.

Horrible. Absolutely horrible. Thanks John, for shedding the light here for the original questioner.

Posted by: guest at May 19, 2008 5:42 PM

Great - I've been looking for other people who are in contract at 457 Atlantic. Please e-mail me: cynosure916@yahoo.com. Thanks!

Posted by: hk4bk at May 19, 2008 5:42 PM

Hi, I am also in contract at 457 Atlantic. Please send me an email at varghesemary@gmail.com - thanks!

Posted by: guest at May 31, 2008 8:42 PM

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