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January 2, 2008
negative attitudes
Are you sick of negative, nasty remarks on this site?? We are so sick of these haughty and cocky comments - everyone out there can't be such A-holes, so those of you who aren't, help me out (please....). I also think that there should be some compassion for those brave enough to actually take on these renovation projects - thank you for bringing back these fabulous brownstones!!! Without these do-it-yourself-ers, Bed-Stuy risks becoming just another investment neighborhood -- we, on the other hand, live here, love our homes and our neighborhood, and should be celebrated for that. We use this site to learn from our mistakes and to share our knowledge, so maybe we should remember to be a bit more helpful and a lot less critical. Amen.
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Yes, I'm with you. I'm sick of the negative, nasty remarks. However, the poor behavior is reflective of the general public. Sad but true.
Posted by: Rick at January 3, 2008 7:57 AM
And how/why is this relevant to Bed-Stuy alone? Don't get it.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 8:14 AM
Agreed - it would be nice if people here were a little more considerate with their remarks. But I think the occasional obnoxious remark is par for the course for an open commenting board.
Posted by: Mrs. Limestone at January 3, 2008 8:45 AM
Absolutely! I think it's a few trolls stirring the pot. I can't believe there are that many obnoxious people in the world. Gotta admit though...like a train wreck, I can't look away.
Posted by: rh at January 3, 2008 8:57 AM
While I can understand a request to keep comments focused on helpful feedback or constructive criticism, I think it is silly to think you should be celebrated for living in a neighborhood and loving your home.
Why do you think you should be celebrated for living in Bed-Stuy?
Also, I think asking for compassion from people because you bought a brownstone and are finding it difficult to renovate is as annoying as negative posts.
I would guess that most people's primary reason for buying a brownstone is to create a home for their family or as an investment.
Have you heard of the old saying that "where there is risk there is reward"?
I doubt that the primary reason you bought a brownstone is because you wanted to improve your neighborhood.
And besides, you're on this site because it is a resource for free advice.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 9:13 AM
Ditto, 9:13.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 9:16 AM
get real people. In a perfect world everyone is nice, couteous, respectful, etc.
This forum is simply a reflection of the REAL world. People can be blunt, antangonistic, rude, insensitive, and downright irate. Tis the way things are - expecting anything different from the anynamous world of cyber-space is simply foolish.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 9:50 AM
such a baby.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:17 AM
The OP has a great point. The quality of discourse on this blog has deteriorated greatly since Brownstoner changed from being a blog "about historic Brooklyn brownstones and the neighborhoods they define" to "Brooklyn inside out." Bottom line is that the earlier, more narrow focus of the blog probably didn't generate the revenue that the new, more major developer/real estate market -oriented blog now does. The latter change in focus has also brought in a different type of reader/subscriber as well. I'm guessing that, as on most blogs, the majority here are regular lurkers more than posters. However, that's also likely to be especially true for those subscribers who have been following the site for years --and used to post regularly -- but have now dropped off from commenting. Meanwhile, it is clear that juvenile snarkiness has become the new literary currency around here. How unfortunate!
I don't think that the rude, flaming tone that is fast-becoming the standard for this blog is simply a reflection of the "real world." NOT! True, these are definitely tension-filled times in which all of us are likely to be more stressed out, more impatient and more weary with the world than ever before. But few of us would ever dare to regularly address others, especially strangers, in real life in the manner that occurs here. (If that were the case, it might be wiser to shift financial investments from real estate to stock in hospitals or the mortuary business!) And, in fact, not all blog cultures are dominated by immature cyberspace bullies who hide behind their keyboards in order to vent about their various "isms", phobias and general social angst. I base that claim on my active participation on several blogs and internet forums where the posting community is able to discuss diverse points of view in a vigorous, honest and mutually respectful manner.
Although Brownstoner has always tolerated a few immature, ignorant cowards who would prefer to engage in nabe bashing, race and class baiting more than in healthy discussion, it seems as if such tolerance has now morphed into indulgence. The result is that the level of anti-social vitriol around here is beginning to skyrocket off the chart. Just the fact that it has now even crept into the Forum -- the last "safe" haven for mature dialogue on this blog-- is a damn shame.
It's a new year. One hope I have is that in going forward, we will also get back to practicing more civility in this online community.
Posted by: Brooklynista at January 3, 2008 1:28 PM
I agree with Brooklynista and have noticed a marked increase in juvenile comments which leads only to one logical conclusion: that those posters are not serious about real estate, owning (or aspiring to own) homes, renovating them or making any contribution to improving their neighborhoods, or have any legitimate interest whatsoever in any of the topics that Bstoner is/was known for. Go ahead and just make any nonsensical, immature, bitter, or (increasingly) vulgar remark just to get it off your chest or to get a rise out of people. I, too, have noticed that many posters who had constructive input over the past couple of years are no longer participating. Sad, very sad. Let the juveniles go to other sites that indulge and tolerate their silliness. Let's hope that Bstoner can regain in the New Year what it is slowly but surely losing...like-minded, intelligent posters who really care about real estate, brownstone Brooklyn, and more importantly, their homes. As a long-time resident (and I mean longer than many of you are alive), that's what I care about, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 2:54 PM
I think making people register would help. Once they can't stay anonymous, people tend to be less brazen about their stupid comments.
Posted by: champura at January 3, 2008 5:33 PM
Gee Champura - I wonder how many brazen comments you have made as a "guest" seeing as how your profile shows only 2 postings under your current alias.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 6:56 PM
Thanks for proving my point, "guest".
Posted by: champura at January 3, 2008 11:58 PM
Wha da matter sumone hurt poor baby feelin?
If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. What do you fucktards (I really like that word) expect for asking stupid questions about your overpriced homes in some of Brooklyn's shittier neighborhoods? Oh I know Bed-Stuy, Bushwick they are all wonderful, everytime I go through them I feel like the movie Pleasantville. Having an anonymous blog allows the truth to come out without the politeness of having to worry about the other persons response or retaliation for the TRUTH!
Posted by: guest at January 4, 2008 2:28 AM
Wha da matter sumone hurt poor baby feelin?
If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. What do you fucktards (I really like that word) expect for asking stupid questions about your overpriced homes in some of Brooklyn's shittier neighborhoods? Oh I know Bed-Stuy, Bushwick they are all wonderful, everytime I go through them I feel like the movie Pleasantville. Having an anonymous blog allows the truth to come out without the politeness of having to worry about the other persons response or retaliation for the TRUTH!
Posted by: guest at January 4, 2008 2:28 AM
I can't believe that someone is calling someone else a "fucktard"
middle school?
I would love to read this blog for the chat about historical home renovation and the real estate watch-dog content without all the negativeity, sarcasm, name-calling and other sillyness.
Posted by: clementine16 at January 5, 2008 5:53 PM
I am with OP, Mrs. L and Brooklynista--constructive input is ALWAYS appreciated-check the southstuy blog for my rant on this issue.
Posted by: HomeSweetstuy at January 6, 2008 6:45 PM
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