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February 22, 2007
with the atlantic
project underway more and more people will be moving to Bed Stuy .I've talked to a few people about this and they are all in agreement .Even met two people who are selling in Clinton hill and buying in the Stuy . Anyone else care to post there thoughts on this ?Please if you know nothing about this topic please don't bother replying
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Er, yes, Everyone in Clinton Hill is selling their homes for 200k and moving to Bed Stuy. Puhlease. Can we say block busting? Calm down. Fight the project, getting reduced in size and enjoy the benefits. Clearly the covering up of the Atlantic yards gash will change the nature of the neighborhood, but does that mean we are all running for the hills. NOT.
Posted by: Putnam-denizen at February 22, 2007 10:40 PM
Er, yes, Everyone in Clinton Hill is selling their homes for 200k and moving to Bed Stuy. Puhlease. Can we say block busting? Calm down. Fight the project, getting reduced in size and enjoy the benefits. Clearly the covering up of the Atlantic yards gash will change the nature of the neighborhood, but does that mean we are all running for the hills. NOT.
Posted by: Putnam-denizen at February 22, 2007 10:41 PM
I think for every person who is selling in CH to get away from atlantic yards there are 2 or 3 people looking to move in because they see it giving the neighborhood a further boost.
I agree that the neighborhood will change, some will say for the better, some will say for the worse.
I really think that Clinton Hill, Fort Greene, etc. will not be impacted in a negative way because there is a strong divider between the brownstone parts of these neighborhoods and the project. Atlantic Ave to Fulton St acts as a big buffer against the construction issues people have raised. Having more people nearby once the project is complete will only serve to increase the amenities in the area and redevelop the industrial and commercial properties along Atlantic Ave.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 9:31 AM
You mean the people who love pollution and traffic and love living next to fried chicken franchises? Oh, yes them. Please get real. Stadiums are fun in high density urban areas. They do not belong in low density historic districts.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 10:30 AM
You mean the people who love pollution and traffic and love living next to fried chicken franchises? Oh, yes them. Please get real. Stadiums are fun in high density urban areas. They do not belong in low density historic districts.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 10:31 AM
Oh, you mean Atlantic & Flatbush are not high density?
I doubt very seriously that people that lived through the 6+ years of building infrastructure in Clinton Hill are now going to jump ship and endure the same pain all over again in Bed-Stuy. People that are moving to Bed-Stuy(like me) are hoping the same infrastructure will be created that was created in Clinton Hill & Fort Greene over the past several years.
Posted by: NewStoner at February 23, 2007 11:20 AM
Exactly NewStoner. The atlantic terminal mall and atlantic center already suck as a place to live right next to. The intersection of atlantic and flatbush is already extremely busy. Dropping a stadium in an empty spot next to them isn't going to change anything drastically for Clinton Hill. If you currently live in a CH brownstone you are far enough away from this area as it is.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 11:42 AM
Haven't you heard of overflow or spillover? Where do people go when they are stuck in traffic? They go down side steets looking for a way around the jam and at that point the traffic jam moves to your block. Look at the plans - that is FCR's plans. They say the traffic problem will be horrendous, but there is no way to migitate so we can just live with it. In effect their screw you to Brownstone Brooklyn.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 12:09 PM
Haven't you heard of overflow or spillover? Where do people go when they are stuck in traffic? They go down side steets looking for a way around the jam and at that point the traffic jam moves to your block. Look at the plans - that is FCR's plans. They say the traffic problem will be horrendous, but there is no way to migitate so we can just live with it. In effect their screw you to Brownstone Brooklyn.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 12:09 PM
I think Ratner has scaled the AYs project as large as he has so that when he is forced to bring it down to more "reasonable" proportions it will satisfy his original design idea. Negotiating 101, and he seems to be brilliant when it comes to that area. That said, there will be more taffic than those who currently live in the CH area will be used to. Bloomberg recently budgeted to help traffice/infastructure in this area, but who knows what that will look like, how much time it will take to build, how much it will help when built, etc. Even at 1/2 the size, AY will be more than this area will be able to swallow without significant adjustment -- both to culture and traffic. I have no idea how this will impact areas like BS. Even if it does make people move to BS to escape the AY project, there are a lot of projects in the area, and the nicest brownstones I have seen are in Stuy Heights -- which are on the OTHER side of Bed Stuy, closer to East New York/Bushwick. Who knows? It's anyone's guess.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 12:55 PM
By why should Ratner negotiate? Who is going to challenge him? All our elected officials (with a few exceptions) facilitated his winning approval, even cheering him on and no one stands in his way. He can build everything he wants now, as of right. I don't even think he need building permits. The city is locked out of the process. There seems to this belief that he will scale back his project, be a more responsible citizen, but there is *nothing* that has happened so far that indicates that this is the case. Look at the Barclays deal - millions for him and he doesn't care what the citizens of BK think.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 3:10 PM
By why should Ratner negotiate? Who is going to challenge him? All our elected officials (with a few exceptions) facilitated his winning approval, even cheering him on and no one stands in his way. He can build everything he wants now, as of right. I don't even think he need building permits. The city is locked out of the process. There seems to this belief that he will scale back his project, be a more responsible citizen, but there is *nothing* that has happened so far that indicates that this is the case. Look at the Barclays deal - millions for him and he doesn't care what the citizens of BK think.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 3:10 PM
It seems like you want to move into Bed Stuy but you're scared or nervous.. so you want it to be a group effort.
That seems very lame to me.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 23, 2007 3:17 PM
the original poster is absolutely right-i have neighbors in fg already moving to bs to escape the impending mess that fort greene/clinton hill/prospect heights are going to have to endure. i am a long-time resident of fort greene and all of my neighbors that i've spoken with (homeowners and renters) agree that this neighborhood will change dramatically for the worse-traffic will be a nightmare-as well as the general increase in noise-foot traffic, etc. more businesses like bagel world/sports bars will only add to the bland mall-ification of these once quiet areas. it makes perfect sense that the areas just past ay-bs/crown heights will become highly sought after.
Posted by: anon at February 23, 2007 8:51 PM
Anyone living in Ft Greene or Clinton Hill who thinks they will not be profoundly impacted by the Yards in sadly mistaken (or on the Ratner payroll). My advice is SELL NOW before traffic begins to stand still and horns are blowing non-stop in front of your windows at all hours....NOT to mention how traffic will be congested and rerouted while construction takes place. Also, get your kids into a good boarding school now because over enrollment in all of the local schools is already out of control. How lucky for all the owners in BedStuy who never dreamed that their ghetto would now be worth millions (as was the case in Ft Greene where my neighbor owned a brownstone valued at 20k 20 years ago is now worth 2.5 mil)!
Posted by: tomas at February 27, 2007 3:52 PM
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