Open House Picks
Midwood
803 East 17th Street
Fillmore
Saturday 12-2
$1,300,000
GMAP P*Shark
South Slope
297 12th Street
Betancourt
Sunday 1-3
$1,295,000
GMAP P*Shark
Windsor Terrace
574 17th Street
Brooklyn Properties
Sunday 11:30-1:30
$1,290,000
GMAP P*Shark
South Slope
189 15th Street
Corcoran
Sunday 2-2:30
$999,000
GMAP P*Shark
61 Comments
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 1:19 PM
By daveinbedstuy on February 5, 2010 1:23 PM
Corcoran has a really shitty listing.
that 12th street house is prety with the shingling and the porch...inside, not so much.
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 1:26 PM
15th was an open house pick last week.
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 1:27 PM
here are my thoughts:
12th street house is cute, but overpriced! - come down 150K and maybe it makes sense!
15th street - um didn't we see this listing like 2 weeks ago when I think they were asking over 1.2mil and we all went nuts on it b/c it's a POS
again - still overpriced and no photos - grrreat
get it together ladies!
East 17th Street - cute house, loads of space but are these houses worth 1.3mil? - Also please do spell check in your listings!
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 1:28 PM
I like 12th Street inside and out. Walked by it many times. Love that place.
By IMBY on February 5, 2010 1:31 PM
189 15th street dropped 200K from last showing. The three family thing (it's a legal 2 family) didn't go over so well.
12th st needs a new kitchen. Looking at another $200K drop for this one as well.
By CGar on February 5, 2010 1:33 PM
"12th street house is cute, but overpriced! - come down 150K and maybe it makes sense!"
Gem, we're in agreement again. This is what I'm looking for if I buy another house rather than a condo, but I think it's overpriced.
And, I'm sorry, but is a floor plan too much to ask for for a house asking $1.3 million?!?!?!
Is Slopey around? He warned us away from a block of 12th Street a couple of weeks ago, but I can't recall what block.
11217, do you happen to know the cross avenues?
By Bklnite on February 5, 2010 1:34 PM
Windsor Terrace listing (in case mr. B. doesn't get around to fixing it)...
http://brooklynproperties.com/house124.htm
By DitmasSnark on February 5, 2010 1:38 PM
Awesome, 15th Street is dropping $100k/week!
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 1:39 PM
Cgar:
It's 12th street between 5th and 6th Avenues, but closer to 5th Avenue.
That section of 5th is awesome, and it's just a small walk up to 7th and 14th for Union Market, Beer Table, the new Thistle Hill Tavern coming on 15th and 7th, etc.
I think 12th Street is fantastic.
By Architerrorist on February 5, 2010 1:40 PM
Hmmmmm.... Someone must have just informed the Fillmore broker that Ditmas is hot. So he or she has priced this house at 2007 asks. Newish, but not nice, kitchen, baths? House will sell between $950 and $1.1, given whatever the real deal is with this place.
By Bklnite on February 5, 2010 1:40 PM
East 17th Street ... are these houses worth 1.3mil? ...
Posted by: gemini10
No, probably worth 10-20% less than ask, like the other listings.
By Butterfly on February 5, 2010 1:41 PM
you think EVERYthing is fantastic. is there anything you DONT like hahah
*rob*
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 1:46 PM
Yup. I don't like people who enjoy finding the negative in everything. Including my posts.
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 1:47 PM
Hey, CGar, this is one block west of the noisy 12th Street block. This block has the famed "yellow house" which we saw and loved, although I later learned it had problems. I'm wondering if any of our resident architectural historians kinow if there is a name for the criss-cross siding pattern on the house. Ours had it, too, in the 1939 tax photo.
If I said I thought the price high, would that constitute a "statement against interest"? $1.3m might have worked at the very edge of peak, like when 237 14th went for $1.95m. I don't know that there are comps for that now. Also, the lot is shallow, 80 ft -- is there a bridle path back there? Of course, everything's relative. Looks like our house went for about $4,820 in 1868, I learned today.
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 1:50 PM
Cgar!!
it was meeee who said that 12th street btwn 6th and 7th(closer to 7th) is wacky b/c of the bad news bears "gang" of kids
11217 - I just think the 12th street house is reallllly overpriced for that area (remember I lived right in that nabe for 6 years)
17th Street house in WT - ARE THEY KIDDING WITH THAT PRICE??
omg the kitchen needs to be redone and it's only a 2 storey
the bathroom is a joke - UGH UGH UGH
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 1:58 PM
gemini -- we both said it. I lived that nuttiness for the better part of a decade 15-20 years back. But this house is between 5/6, and well down the block from 6th. Not a factor.
By Sparafucile on February 5, 2010 2:02 PM
East 17th Street is in the Fiske Terrace section of Flatbush. It's not south of the LIRR cut, and therefore not Midwood.
I like that area, but those pictures look like a lot of the interior details are gone or painted over.
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:05 PM
Thanks very much 11217, Slopey, and Gem.
Slopey, at the risk of asking you to make an admission against interest, what do you think this house should go for? I like it, and I love the area (now that I know this isn't the block with the "gang", lol) and all the PLUSAs who live nearby, but it's more than I want to pay for a 1-family.
I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts on price, too.
By donatella on February 5, 2010 2:07 PM
I love the kitchen of the 12th St place. How nice. The price looks way too high to me though. Is the market back? Will someone pay 1.3 for that house? Seems too high though.
By bupe on February 5, 2010 2:12 PM
Wait, why aren't we discussing the 12th street gang???
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 2:13 PM
Cgar:
I ABSOLUTELY loved living in that stretch of Park Slope
disclaimer I actually lived on 15th btwn 6th and 7th
loved loved loved it! -it's not as congested. I love Black Horse tavern and Bar Toto and Naidres and Russos and yes even union market. I think you would really dig it over there
FWIW - Betancourt is dealable - just make a reasonable offer and they will work with you and the seller
I think 1 million is reasonable offer and work up to maybe 1.065, not sure if it's worth 1.2, maybe 1.1
PS = there is someone who owns a Chow around that area, I used to see him walking the dog in the mornings!
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 2:15 PM
Given how hot South Slope is these days, I'd say 12th Street could go for 1.1 or maybe 1.2. Just a guess.
As you know...this neighborhood is really developing fast...even during the recession. There's Lot 2 on 6th Avenue and 19th Street (one of the best new restaurants in PS), and the new Lucali 2 (better known as Giuseppina's) opening on 20th and 6th Avenue. As I said, Thistle Hill Tavern on 15th and 7th is going to be a big one (same guy as Inoteca in Manhattan). There's that great Bakery Little Buddy on 18th and 5th, Sidecar, some great bars, etc.
I think someone will find this home and location a winner.
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:15 PM
Thanks, Gem! BTW, CDog turned 15 on Wednesday.
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 2:16 PM
CCar, S. Slope is hard to appraise these days as there have been so few comparable sales. 3 floors, 2100 sq. ft., seenms to be renovated. Kitchen looks like a bit of a tight squeeze. Gemini and IMBY are probably right -- something in the $1.1-1.15m range. Too far north and too big to be six figures for something that doesn't need an overhaul. Not sure if it is a full 3 floors or whether some of the bottom fl. is gobbled up for utilities.
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 2:16 PM
bupe:
b/c it's not really a gang! - I categorize them as a group of bad news bears. They are kids of different races and ages and are pretty harmless. They aren't doing drivebys with guns or picking fights with strangers or robbing folks.
They just are loud and play ball and turn on the fire hydrants in the summer. However I think one of the posters who lived on that block had their car window smashed by a flying baseball recently -so that's not cool!
By Pigeon on February 5, 2010 2:16 PM
I agree, Donatella,
Lovely kitchen in the 12th Street house.
By bupe on February 5, 2010 2:23 PM
The house on 15th needs a gun reno but if you are a gym monkey, it's right next to Harbor Fitness - that is the lovely leafed wall you see in Corco photos...
By Bklnite on February 5, 2010 2:23 PM
re: WT house
It's got LR w/5 Speaker Surround Sound...Pull Down 120" Projection Screen
Isn't it worth $1.3 for a nice place to watch the superbowl?
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:26 PM
12th Street is not a deep lot OR a deep house (only 35 feet). Hard to know if there's a garden (listing says there is) or just that deck out back. I agree with those who love the kitchen - I love the tin ceiling and glass front cabinets with mullions. Maybe need to spruce up the hardware and countertops, but it works for me.
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 2:27 PM
11217 --
Apart from the fancy stuff, the new little Indian restaurant on 6th & 14th is quietly turning out to be a cut about the other local curry houses.
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 2:27 PM
Cgar,
It's not all about the depth.
Width counts too.
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:30 PM
I know 11217. (We are still talking about the house, right? ;-) Sorry, need to leave that in the OT.) I don't need to be sold on the house or the neighborhood. I'm just not sure the price works for me without tenants. It could, but you just never know what people are holding out for.
By Bklnite on February 5, 2010 2:30 PM
Re: 12th house comps ...
267 12th St Sold 12/07/2009 $1,185,000
328 12th St Sold 10/05/2009 $995,000
One the next block 5th/4th, the other in the gang block 6th/7th
I think both are bigger - 297 12th Street is 1300 square feet - 2 floors? An appraiser would adjust downward for less space as well as for the fact that prices are declining. Not many of these wider 2 storey country looking houses, and someone may like the kitchen enough to pay more psf, but I think a mansion tax avoiding number is realistic.
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 2:32 PM
I've heard that place is good Slopefarm. Plus there's Provino on 13th and 8th. There's Cafe Grumpy which has awesome coffee up on 7th and 14th. I get my haircut at Vespa salon on 15th and 7th, the Korean bodega on like 13th and 7th has some of the best plants in the neighborhood come spring and summer at low prices.
I just think South Slope rocks.
By Ringo on February 5, 2010 2:34 PM
12th St is nice but too much, and the others... eh.
Most people here see co-op/condos and note, "for that price, I'd rather have a house!" Well I look at these places and think, "for a million bucks plus, I'll take a nice loft in Dumbo thank you very much" A lot less space, I know, but I just get a big case of the blahs for these places.
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:35 PM
Thanks, Bklnite!
Cafe Grumpy. What a great name. That's just what I would name a coffee shop since I'm not good when I'm pre-coffee.
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 2:37 PM
CGar, frames typically are about 30-35ft deep. With 20' width you actually get something most brownstones don't have, rooms that are relatively square and feel like they belong in a house. But you will be shortchanged on the yard with the 80' lot, most lots are 100'. You probably have the requisite 30', but no legal room to extend the house. I like the kitchen's style -- it just looks cramped to me for doing serious cooking, a bigger deal with two chefs and kids underfoot. But worth seeing if ballpark on your price range. It would be great to have you as a neighbor.
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 2:37 PM
http://www.cafegrumpy.com/locations/cafe-grumpy-park-slope/
By CGar on February 5, 2010 2:47 PM
"It would be great to have you as a neighbor."
Thanks, Slopey. I was just thinking the same thing (no homo)! Compared to some of my NYC kitchens, and some of the kitchens I've seen in condos and co-ops, this one is palatial!
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 2:55 PM
Slopefarm:
WOW - why is that indian place a cut above?
we've been dying to go to an indian place forever, but so many places in the slope are simply lacking
11217: I prob bumped into a million times on the weekends, and didn't say sorrrry - haha!
b/c am sort of a badass
By rh on February 5, 2010 2:59 PM
Gemini, when did you live on 15/6&7? That's my old block: 1994-2002.
By DitmasSnark on February 5, 2010 2:59 PM
> the new little Indian restaurant on 6th & 14th
Oh, good to know. I had no idea one had opened up there.
By 11217 on February 5, 2010 3:02 PM
6th ave in the teens is becoming it's own little foodie destination with Indian, Lot 2 and Giuseppina's.
By greenwoodgeneral on February 5, 2010 3:06 PM
The 12th street house is a beauty, and it always seemed so pleasant- well gardened, bright fence, kids toys on the front porch. Hope whoever gets it keeps it up - and doesn't knock it down.
35' depth on a frame provides light through the whole house- you get the nice north/south light all day on the parlor/kitchen floor.
Also that house has a really cool copper roof on it's porch.
Wasn't there just a fire directly next door- when I walked by recently, looked like it had been gutted.
By DitmasSnark on February 5, 2010 3:14 PM
> 6th ave in the teens is becoming it's own little foodie destination
Sweet. That gives you three avenues of restaurants (etc) in the South Slope.
By gemini10 on February 5, 2010 3:22 PM
rh:
We bought the house 2003
really loved living there, loved most of my neighbors
By rh on February 5, 2010 4:16 PM
2003? Rats, we were gone by then. Little gray house? No wait, 302?
By slopefarm on February 5, 2010 4:52 PM
I think the Indian place is a bit better because it is real honest mom and pop. Ingredients taste fresher, more substance, less sauce. Nothing fancy.
12th St house has no floor plan in listing, but I think it has 2 real floors, a top floor rear bedroom (sloped roof in front) like a lot of Charette renovations (which this might be, not sure), and a floor below the main flor that might open onto the back but that is nearly entirely below grade in the front with no windows. Hard to tell what the real usable sq. ft. is without floor plan.
By denton on February 5, 2010 5:19 PM
I've passed by the WT place a lot... there are two or three identical houses that have been meticulously renovated on the outside. They really stand out and are beautiful houses. Quiet location. Yeah, seems like the kitchen will need some help.
By stevieb on February 5, 2010 6:37 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a4yxOhOgAATw&pos=7
Senators Propose 50% Bonus Tax on Bailed-Out Banks (Update2)
**
There is no justice in this country.
Banks get bailed out through 1) TARP money infusion 2) Debt guarantees by FDIC 3) Fed buying all their toxic mortgages and giving them treasuries in return 4) Fed keeping interest rates at zero to allow banks to make massive profits through carry trades.
These same banks that got us into trouble are now able to make obscene profits again and pay their employees big bonuses while the rest of the country is still starving, suffering, unemployed, and barely able to feed and clothe their kids.
These same bankers with their fat bonuses are going into brooklyn to buy nice brownstones and denying my family from finding a house to bring up my children.
WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?!!
By Bolder on February 5, 2010 8:32 PM
Love the floorplan of the WT house; for 15k you could update that kitchen very nicely. Wonder if the english basement is usable, though. If its unfinished the price seems a bit high. I also might knock out a wall or two on the top floor, or turn that bedroom off the master into a WIC.
By cynyc on February 5, 2010 10:46 PM
The 12th street house is right beside a house that had a pretty bad fire in the basement apartment a few weeks ago. The whole house is boarded up now. They seemed to have some smoke damage in this house as well. They were ripping out insulation and dry wall on the wall towards the burned out house a few days later. This burned out place and the OTB parlor don't make for the nicest of neighbors.
By IronBalls on February 5, 2010 11:03 PM
Nobody said life is fair. It's not.
But within short order the stock market and housing market will resume their downward free-fall.
No zillion dollar government bailout with follow to prop things up.
The fan is about to get hit with something stinky and brown.
By Nomi on February 6, 2010 12:45 AM
How could not one of you far-nastier-than-I people have said anything about the table/island(?) in the kitchen in the not-Midwood 17th street house???
It's wrong to leave this up to me.
(Self-inoculation: Nice large late Victorian(?) house. Should be decorated according to owner's taste, not mine.)
By Pigeon on February 6, 2010 1:39 AM
Nomi,
The entire interior decor of the not-Midwood 17th street house is so nutty that it's hard to point the finger at any one item. If I had to point the finger, though, I would point it at the dark brown coo-coo clock against the bright blue wall. Coo-coo!
By traditionalmod on February 6, 2010 8:53 AM
I don't understand the parlor floor of the Windsor Terrace house at all. A tiny, windowless room for the living room? So depressing and creepy, like a rubber room in an asylum. They put a bedroom in what is really the living room trying to increase the number of bedrooms in the house but that room is what it is - a living room. They shouldn't show the house like that even if that's how they used the layout of the parlor floor themselves. Make some family members share a room or something but get the bed out of the living room when it's time to sell.
By stevieb on February 6, 2010 9:25 AM
Nobody said life is fair. It's not.
Posted by: IronBalls at February 5, 2010 11:03 PM
Ironballs. I am not saying life is fair, not at all.
Life is unfair, but that does not we should allow fundamental injustice to continue. The wall street washington partnership needs to end.
If we accept injustice as a rule always, our founding fathers would not have fought against "taxation without representation" and gained our independence from the British.
Vote Schumer and Gillibrand out of office this november!
By Nomi on February 6, 2010 2:13 PM
Pigeon, the coo-coo clock is in the Windsor Terrace house (also in 17th St.). I actually find that charming if a little "coo-coo." (Agree with tradmod completely though about that house's stolen living room. Do NOT understand that either. Or, rather, why they'd SHOW it that way even if it was somehow necessary to live with it like that.)
I was talking about the first listing, the one listed as Midwood which is not actually in Midwood but some other section of the vast counrty of Flatbush.
By Pigeon on February 6, 2010 10:44 PM
Nomi,
Oh... THAT table.
Yes... it's definitely out of place in that kitchen.
As is the red leather arm chair.
By donatella on February 7, 2010 6:42 PM
That's a skinny kitchen, but very nice. Big enough for anything I would do, but yeah, the table has to go; I am sure there is somewhere else for it. That's not what is important. What is nice is the look and feel of it -- the nice french doors mirror the design of the windowed cabinet doors and the butcher block works very nicely. I like it a lot.
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