Open House Picks
South Slope
189 15th Street
Corcoran
Sunday 3:15-4:15
$1,200,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Park South
180 Rugby Road
Mary Kay Gallagher
Sunday 1-3
$1,200,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Heights
52 6th Avenue
Brooklyn Properties
Sunday 2-4
$940,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
605 Jefferson Avenue
Bergen Basin Realty
Sunday 12-2
$699,000
GMAP P*Shark
89 Comments
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 1:14 PM
By DitmasSnark on January 22, 2010 1:17 PM
Rugby Road ridiculousness
By johnife on January 22, 2010 1:19 PM
The entirety of the 15 St. description: "Great brick two family house in very trendy South Slope"; and what's more, it's a three family!
By gemini10 on January 22, 2010 1:20 PM
ok the 15th street house is totally overpriced as someone would have to gut it
the 6th avenue house is VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRY interesting! -wow why so cheap?
By CGar on January 22, 2010 1:22 PM
Could someone please tell me why the Prospect Heights house is so cheap? Narrow at 17' and shallow lot at only 75' perhaps? Cause it looks nice and that's a good location. Is it in the middle of the new Barclays stadium or something??
By CGar on January 22, 2010 1:23 PM
That tiny 15th Street house is carved into 3 apartments???
By CGar on January 22, 2010 1:24 PM
Gem, you and I are totally in sync today.
By newsouthsloper on January 22, 2010 1:25 PM
Looking at the floor plan of 15th - it is definately a 3 fam. What would the rents be on these apartments?
By ProfRobert on January 22, 2010 1:25 PM
Is the 6th Ave. house on a horrendous block or next door to Atlantic Yards demolition or something? It's steps from the subway and not to far from the park. It looks like it's in good shape. I must be missing something because it looks like it should list for at least $500k more.
By antidope on January 22, 2010 1:26 PM
as long as you dont mind living across the street from the police station, within spitting distance of atlantic ave then it's fine. oh and you are contiguous to the biggest real estate development in brooklyn -- big trucks, snarled traffic for 10 years. easy.
By gemini10 on January 22, 2010 1:26 PM
Cgar! - I know
however i can't comment on the other properties as I simply don't know - but I def know my South Slope housing
I wonder if they want that 6th avenue house to go into a bidding war - am really surprised by how cheap it is
By antidope on January 22, 2010 1:27 PM
worse, flatbush ave
By johnife on January 22, 2010 1:27 PM
6th Avenue house is within a quater of a block of the arena.
By Boerumresident on January 22, 2010 1:27 PM
DIBS -- How is that price for Jefferson Ave? Seems closer to a 4 story price outside of the landmark district, but I could be wrong.
By newsouthsloper on January 22, 2010 1:27 PM
If you could get 2K from each of those apartments on 15th, that would pretty much cover the mortgage after 20% Down, no?
By Brokedeveloper on January 22, 2010 1:29 PM
Yeah, the Prospect Heights house looks (gasp!) resonably priced in this market. It is right by the Po Po station and pretty close to the Big Dig, but other than that....
By more4less on January 22, 2010 1:29 PM
CGar, that 6th ave looks nice. low ball them with 50% down if you find it to your liking.
By setancre on January 22, 2010 1:29 PM
15th St can't be legal in its current configuration... Top floor is actually chopped into 2 apartments. Front room is a living room/kitchen and there's a tiny add'l bath carved out for the front apt as well. 4 kitchens in that tiny house.
By Boerumresident on January 22, 2010 1:30 PM
The 6th Avenue is maybe 3 doors up from the corner where Freddy's is located, so yes, it is very close to the construction. Also, it's a short lot blocked in by one of the houses on Dean. Still, if you are of the camp that the arena will eventually be good for the neighborhood, this might be a good investment property for the next 5 years, then renovate and move in or sell.
By antidope on January 22, 2010 1:33 PM
what if ratner successfully lobbies the pols to expand the footprint? watch out for e.d. creep.
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 1:46 PM
That poor 6th Ave home is trapped.
North: Ratner Arena.
South: Flatbush Ave.
East: Police station.
West, perhaps a backyard, but judging from google maps, it looks like it has no back yard. Does anyone know if it has a back yard?
By more4less on January 22, 2010 1:52 PM
6th ave house is priced at 940k. if not for those issues mentioned above posts, wouldnt it be price around 1.2M or so?
By Brokedeveloper on January 22, 2010 1:52 PM
That 15th St. house is so overpriced its not every funny.
By InsertSnappyNameHere on January 22, 2010 1:57 PM
I'm counting 4 apts on the 15th street house. Am I the only one who sees 4 kitchens?
By InsertSnappyNameHere on January 22, 2010 1:57 PM
And how the eff did they get away with 4 kitchens in a legal 2 family?
By sweetlou on January 22, 2010 1:58 PM
The 15th street floor plan actually shows 4 kitchens, so maybe its cut up into 4 apartments?!?
By ichimunki on January 22, 2010 2:00 PM
I was checking out the 6th Avenue house online and it is in lis pendens. It looks like there might be $300,000 lien on the house and there might be more liens...
By InsertSnappyNameHere on January 22, 2010 2:01 PM
Ok, so I'm not imagining things. You see it too, Sweetlou!
By ProfRobert on January 22, 2010 2:04 PM
6th Ave. is 45' deep on a 75' lot, so presumably there's a 17' x 30' backyard.
By InsertSnappyNameHere on January 22, 2010 2:04 PM
And on top of that, all the layouts blow. Bottom floor bedroom has no windows, second floor and upper rear apartment the terlet is directly off the kitchen, and the upper front apartment is just plain itsy bitsy.
By gemini10 on January 22, 2010 2:10 PM
Like I said Snaps
the 15th Street house is WAY overpriced and will need a lot of gut work!
super silly!
I think the 6th avenue house will be well attended by many brownstoner posters this weekend - hahahaha!
By newsouthsloper on January 22, 2010 2:10 PM
Definately 4 apt's on the 15th Street House. DOB has it listed as a 2 Fam. Is that a major problem if someone actually wants to buy this place?
By newsouthsloper on January 22, 2010 2:13 PM
Also, looks like 15th street has a lien on it and is the middle of foreclosure, at least thats how I read the P-shark profile.
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 2:26 PM
OK. I hope Ty is here cause that 1965 split level house for 1.2 million is crazy even to me.
But I do realize that's my own prejudice. I way prefer pre-war homes to (most) post-war ones, so .. . . that.
If someone else prefers this, there's no reason it should be cheaper just cause I don't care for it and have icky associations with them or whatever.
By priced_out on January 22, 2010 2:28 PM
EWWW! The Rugby Road house is a time capsule! Gross. I've seen it on her site for ages now, and no takers, and no price drop. If you can afford a $1M+ house, wouldn't you want this one http://www.marykayg.com/html/0559.html instead??????
By slopefarm on January 22, 2010 2:28 PM
Just a hunch -- 15th street is priced to avoid foreclosure. If they don't get it, bank forecloses. But yeah, snaps, no window in a bedroom is not a legal bedroom. $1.2 + 300k to make this work? No way. And why would you buy this to rent out two floors? And lots of trucks pass through that block. You can do better in So Slo.
By gemini10 on January 22, 2010 2:32 PM
sorry to go on
but what is with the open house time for 15th street
3:15 - 4:15 - like huh?
By MR on January 22, 2010 2:36 PM
15th street gets my nomination for worst listing of the year.
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 2:36 PM
"sorry to go on
but what is with the open house time for 15th street
3:15 - 4:15 - like huh?"
Less time to see the .. . um, flaws?
By bessie2 on January 22, 2010 2:39 PM
No one mentioned the description "retro 70's glam" in the description of the 6th Avenue house.
I like that block. It's right near those cute little tiny storefronts and around the corner from Bergen Bagel. That little stretch of 6th Ave and the same section of Carlton is why the whole Atlantic yards makes me so sad.
By CGar on January 22, 2010 2:44 PM
I noticed the "retro 70s" look in the listing, bessie, but figured the pics look pretty good, so it must be the baths they're referring to. And the exposed brick is pretty '70s.
By CGar on January 22, 2010 2:48 PM
Yeah, that 15th Street house IS carved into 4 tiny apartments. You think they would've listed with Awaye Realty rather than Corcoran.
By newsouthsloper on January 22, 2010 2:52 PM
I will definately go to the open house on 15th, just to see what a shitshow really looks like. Also, cant wait to hear how the broker spins this one...
By daveinbedstuy on January 22, 2010 2:56 PM
Not enough info on the Jefferson house to make an educated guess. If it has all new electric, plumbing , HVAC & roof I think it's still a stretch for jefferson.
By JohnHancock on January 22, 2010 3:12 PM
Jefferson Ave has a new oil furnace, the rest I believe isn't updated.
That would mean a lot of money in renovation.
Nice block though.
Does anyone know the price for the house across the street that's been for sale?
By daveinbedstuy on January 22, 2010 3:21 PM
Looks like a very nice block from Streetview, John.
By priced_out on January 22, 2010 3:22 PM
EWWW! The Rugby Road house is a time capsule! Gross. I've seen it on her site for ages now, and no takers, and no price drop. If you can afford a $1M+ house, wouldn't you want this one http://www.marykayg.com/html/0559.html instead??????
By rh on January 22, 2010 3:24 PM
If the 6th Ave house was a shell, what would it be priced at? It's the photographer's job to make the place look awesome, but look closely at the photos. It needs lots of work.
By CGar on January 22, 2010 3:34 PM
rh, new kitchen and baths (which I'd prefer to do myself rather than have someone else's "taste" imposed on me), floors desperately need to be refinished, and a skim coat paint job. I'd also cover all the exposed brick. Am I missing something? (I'm just afraid the house is near the end of eminent domain proceedings, or is the next facade in Brooklyn about to collapse.)
By STARGAZER on January 22, 2010 3:40 PM
189 15th street,
Who on earth concocted those layouts. They are beyond horiffic!
Do people actually live in places like that?
By Lesloaf on January 22, 2010 3:47 PM
I saw the PH house at last week's open house. In addition to the bad location (literally 3 doors down from what will soon be a massive construction site, complete with many visiting rats), it is in terrible condition. IMO, it needs a complete gut reno. The broker admitted that it needs a new roof and boiler, the floors and staircases are dangerous, etc. But there are some nice original details, including the mantles -- and yes, there's a decent back yard space. Could be a good project for someone with a lot of time and money on their hands....
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 3:49 PM
Regarding the 6th Ave home, beware of living in a construction zone for the next few years. The following is from an article in the Jan 12, 2010 Brownstoner.
"How is [the new street closing that will take effect in February] likely to impact traffic in the area? 'Expect a lot more traffic on Sixth Avenue between Flatbush Avenue and Pacific Street, which will become two-way,' says AYR."
Here is the link:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/barclays-arena-1109.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/atlantic_yards/&usg=__Rz2ygqztlkvJaDSwqa9eHgVymEs=&h=316&w=500&sz=33&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=XaEWnqIOCkPicM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Datlantic%2Byards%2Bbarclay%2Bfootprint%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS339%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 3:54 PM
Lesloaf,
Interesting that you say the 6th Ave home needs a complete gut reno.
The photos disguise that very well.
Does anyones crytal ball say what this block will be like when the AY project is finished?
By zeebee_in_bklyn on January 22, 2010 4:02 PM
15th Street listing is odd. I've been to a few open houses with Patricia Neinast as the listing broker and she does a good job marketing her properties. Wonder why this listing is so crappy - floorplan at odds with listed occupancy, one crappy interior photo of a crappy kitchen...
By Brokedeveloper on January 22, 2010 4:08 PM
"I've been to a few open houses with Patricia Neinast as the listing broker and she does a good job marketing her properties."
Looks like maybe the 15th St. listing is Junior's first exclusive and mom is helping out.
Don Corleone might never have been shot if Fredo wasn't his body guard that fatefull day, so perhaps even the best of professionals make rookie mistakes when their kids are invovled.
By Lesloaf on January 22, 2010 4:14 PM
Yes, Pigeon, they did a very nice job with the listing (and I think they deserve some credit for that), but it is obviously an estate sale. The broker told me the owners had not done anything to the house, except for some staircase repair, since they bought it in the 70's. I'm not very fussy, but I really didn't think the house was livable as is.
Last week's open house was packed, though. So I'll bet they do pretty well....
By Lesloaf on January 22, 2010 4:16 PM
Also, even when AY is finished (which won't be for many years), you'll be living next to a huge stadium. Imagine the basketball fans peeing on your doorstep after every game.
By tiptoe on January 22, 2010 4:19 PM
Mary Kay must be high to think the PPS house can command anywhere near 1 million. The same house in Jersey would be ASKING $350,000.
By daveinbedstuy on January 22, 2010 4:25 PM
Mary Kay must be high to think the PPS house can command anywhere near 1 million. The same house in Jersey would be ASKING $350,000.
Posted by: tiptoe at January 22, 2010 4:19 PM
And $87,000 in East Greenbush
By antidope on January 22, 2010 4:30 PM
50k in detroit, tops.
By Brokedeveloper on January 22, 2010 4:32 PM
Anyone want to break into the Rugby Road house this weekend and play some Beer Pong?
By Brenda from Flatbush on January 22, 2010 4:44 PM
That Rugby Rd. house got built after the original one burned; presumably in 1965 it wasn't landmarked yet or they just weren't very vigilant. It would be a real bummer to shell out big bucks to live in PPS, surrounded by gorgeous Victorian mansions of every imaginable style, and live in...this.
By Suburbandude on January 22, 2010 4:44 PM
Would you buy the PPS house knowing that every time someone came over for the first time they would be saying "eww, what's that ugly suburban split-level doing on this gorgeous block?"
The broker needs to go to broker AA. $1.2M and everything needs to be redone. Sheesh!
By daveinbedstuy on January 22, 2010 4:49 PM
50k in detroit, tops.
Posted by: antidope at January 22, 2010 4:30 PM
Ha!!!!!! $5,000
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 5:10 PM
"Imagine the basketball fans peeing on your doorstep after every game."
Posted by: Lesloaf at January 22, 2010 4:16 PM
Will that scenario be Ratner's legacy?
Will Atlantic Terminal become the Herald Square of Bkyn?
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 5:32 PM
No doubt the seller is insisting on that price. Mary Kay is too shrewd to suggest such an outlandish price. Plus she generally low balls. Seller must be delusional. PPS was landmarked in the 70s and their are several late 60s early 70s horror shows in PPS, built on lots where houses either burned or just rotted. A few of those lots were annexed by neighboring houses and turned into fab double lots. A handful got the suburban split-level treatment (two on Albermarle, including the unsellable half reno, still asking $900...). Well, it was conceived of as the "suburbs in the city" by Dean Alvord. Killer - houses like this pre-date landmarks and now MUST be preserved as their current nightmarish states. This was a big problem with the unfinished reno house on Albemarle. Had to keep nasty picture window and ugly brick in the reno plans. Landmarks would not approve an historicizing "Victorian home" with a front porch, believe it or not!
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 5:40 PM
Antiterrorist,
Your story is baffling.
Does Landmarks really require that 1960's and 1970's style homes, when they sit in historic districts, be preserved?
That's hard to believe.
That would be crazy.
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 5:59 PM
It is true and it is crazy. There was a huge public hearing PPS when the renovation of the house on Albemarle was first proposed. Many residents wanted an historicizing Victorian, but Landmarks refused. Their position was that the character of the mid-century house has to be maintained. If you are on Albemarle today, you will see the unfinished house (ask $900k) with the ugly picture window and bricking around the front door. Landmarks insisted they keep it.
By cottontop on January 22, 2010 6:05 PM
I live across the street from the house on 15th street.
1) it's not a terrible block, it's not the best either.
2) I believe they were asking 1.4 for this place a year ago.
3) perhaps it's one of those deals that if you add up the rent role, the numbers work at 1.2
4) not that hard to pull out a kitchen
5) back yard looks great
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 6:24 PM
"EWWW! The Rugby Road house is a time capsule! Gross. I've seen it on her site for ages now, and no takers, and no price drop. If you can afford a $1M+ house, wouldn't you want this one http://www.marykayg.com/html/0559.html instead??????"
Yes, I would.
But isn't it interesting that the 1965 house is a "time capsule" but the 1910 house is a beautiful antique to be loved and preserved?
I bet there was a time in the 50s and 60s where the pre-war houses looked like "time capsules" to many people, old fashioned fussy grandma houses.
I like to think the 1910 house is more aesthetically pleasing, but I don't know. Maybe if I live long enough, the 50s/60s/70s subdivision houses will look quaint?
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 6:39 PM
Doubt it, Nomi. They were built cheap, and look it. The Victorians in PPS are stunning, for the most part, inside and out.
By Pigeon on January 22, 2010 6:59 PM
Yes, Nomi, I too think you are being overly optimistic.
But maybe when all the ugly cheap stuff from the mid 1900s all rot and are destroyed, if this house is still preserved -- like a time-capsule -- it will be prized as one-of-a-kind... and a glamorous young movie star with dark glasses will move into it.
That's a scary thought.
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 7:02 PM
Yeah, I thought of that, how cheaply those houses were made. But can't a cheaply built .. . I don't know, bungalow, or something, look charming? Was everything built before 1948 well built?
By I came I saw I rented on January 22, 2010 7:09 PM
For those of you who are appalled by the exterior of the Rugby Road house, I invite you to go to the open house and keep your jaw from hitting the floor in mixed company. Good lord, it is a dump in half a dozen ways (tiny, outdated kitchen, poorly cared for, outdated bathrooms, ceiling stains...and that bay window? Needs to be replaced). It's four levels, each a half flight apart, and a strange, gigantic crawl space in the middle. Not only is it in bad shape, but it is also small and depressing. It is truly a marvel of delusion to behold.
The good points? The backyard is nice. The end.
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 7:31 PM
OK. I really don't like to laugh at the expense of people trying to sell their house. Honest, I don't. But, I came (can I call you that for short?), your post cracked me up. I don't know why, but the "strange, gigantic crawl space in the middle" made me laugh the most.
OK. So it is probably completely legitimate to say that the property is over-priced, rather than a question of taste. Though, I suppose, that taste, even if it's only relative to what people in this area are likely looking for, is not irrelevant.
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 8:03 PM
$550k.
It has a nice yard? So why are those heinous vertical blinds closed in the photo of the living room!?
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 8:06 PM
$550k? Is that what you'd pay for an empty lot?
By Architerrorist on January 22, 2010 8:54 PM
No, it's what I'm betting that house will go for. In another year.
By Nomi on January 22, 2010 11:33 PM
Ah.
By the chicken on January 23, 2010 5:45 AM
So, hypothetically, a meteorite crashes onto the PPS house and destroys it.
You HAVE to rebuild it as is? You can't even go back to what was originally built there in the early 1900s?
By rh on January 23, 2010 8:18 AM
CGar & Pigeon, I don't know how bad of shape the 6th Ave house is in, I just know to take a good look into the pretty photos. I do real estate photography and obviously I get paid to make a house look good. This means NOT shooting anything nasty and concentrating only on the selling points. A well lit, staged photo can make any house look good and draw people in.
What I see in these photos, like you said, are floors that don't look to be salvageable, a sagging staircase and major plaster work. Probably not a complete gut, but close.
I'm usually not one to poo-poo a house, but I'm only bringing it up because people were questioning why it's priced so low.
On the other hand, it's probably the location.
By Bolder on January 23, 2010 8:56 AM
Both SS and PH home look like gut candidates. I'd love to take a crack at the 15th St. place, but only if the starting price was 800k. Really interesting facade.
Something tells me the PH place is no bargain, and a close look at the photos (sloppy paint is a dead giveaway) only hints at what horrors probably lie within.
By Architerrorist on January 23, 2010 10:46 AM
No, I think you get a clean slate if the house is completely destroyed, as long as Landmarks decides they like it. Basically they won't let you build a piece of cheap crap, but you could get away with some fantastic modernist design. I think they want it to be of the same architectural merit... although others with experience in say, Brooklyn Heights, where this has happened will know more. But they would probably say no to Historicizing Victorian... don't like historicizing structures.
By traditionalmod on January 23, 2010 11:37 AM
"there are several late 60s early 70s horror shows in PPS, built on lots where houses either burned or just rotted."
So when residents upstate and in Connecticut were hiring major architects to design stunning mid-century modern masterpieces in that same era, residents of PPS built cheapo things like this. Really shows where Brooklyn was at economically in the 60's. These split-levels are ubiquitous in the more working/middle class towns on Long Island. Some friends of ours who have to be out there for their jobs bought one of the split-levels and gut renovated it and made it really nice. Still they're not to everyone's taste, certainly not readers of Brownstoner. Can you imagine if PPS instead of these split-levels had the mid-century housing stock of New Canaan, CT sitting amongst the Victorians? Those blocks would be a tourist site it would be so cool.
By Architerrorist on January 23, 2010 12:26 PM
I know what your saying, since we have a place on the New Canaan border... Those Harvard school/Philip Johnson houses are spectacular. It would probably horrify you to learn that several owners have tried to get permission to demolish or renovate these homes recently, because they're too small. One house, on Oenoke Ridge, is at particular risk. Only 2000 sq ft, the owner wants to build a 6000 sq ft faux English cottage at the back of the property and demolish the modernist house. If she can't do that, she'll agree to use it as a pool house. She can't get permission at the moment to built the new house or demolish the modernist house, so it's been sitting on the market up in CT for a few years now.
If only a few of those homes at been built on the empty lots. But by 1965, the money or desire to build at that level just wasn't in Flatbush anymore. It was in the 'burbs. So people with lighter pockets chose to build what they could afford - Levittown in PPS.
As far as landmarks goes, if someone wanted to build a Philip Johnson quality home in PPS, they would almost certainly get permission. A well designed historicing Victorian - no dice, apparantly. Landmarks people are purist and don't like historicizing. On the bright side - a Fedder's brick nightmare - fuggedaboudit.
By traditionalmod on January 23, 2010 6:00 PM
So maybe Architerrorist the answer is to knock this split-level down and move the so-called too-small Oenoke Ridge house to PPS! If it's true Landmarks would approve of good mid-century design to replace this one.
By Nomi on January 23, 2010 7:32 PM
70s isn't long ago enough to be retro.
By Architerrorist on January 24, 2010 10:24 AM
I think you're on to something, traditionalmod.
By ncarty97 on January 27, 2010 11:36 AM
Howdy all! I saw someone mention that they though their were existing leins on the PH house. Where can you find that information? Thanks!
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What is up with that Brady Bunch house in PPS? 1.2 million? Didn't the Ebinger house go for that? Needs new kitchen and baths, basement looks horrid. And what's up with the closed vertical blinds? I wouldn't pay more than $550 for this place. Can't imagine there's a queue of people stepping up to buy a 50s ranch in Victorian PPS. And landmarks will make you keep it as is, too!