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December 17, 2009
House of the Day: 220 Seeley Street
This cute one-family at 220 Seeley Street just hit the market with a price tag of $1,250,000. It's got some very nice original details (parquet floors, beamed ceilings) and that holy grail of New York real estate, its own driveway. The broker is unknown (to us) but did a thorough job on the listing. What do you make of the price?
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> What do you make of the price?
Two stories x 17 ft x 38 ft = 1292sf.
$1,250,000 / 1292sf = $967/sf.
In Windsor Terrace.
LOL. That's what I make of the price.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at December 17, 2009 1:22 PM
I HATE when they take an old house and do that driveway thing. Hideous!
The house not including the basement appears to be a total of 1300sft.
Way over-priced considering the kitchen needs to be done and probably the bathrooms.
Not worth more than 800k imo. And that's high for the footage.
Posted by: denton at December 17, 2009 1:24 PM
Thorough job on the listing? I'd say the lack of a floor plan alone gives the lie to that assessment.
Posted by: johnife at December 17, 2009 1:25 PM
When you consider PS houses have been selling in the 500's/psf, this price seems especially ridiculous. Cute, but small house, and I would not consider this a prime WT block.
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 17, 2009 1:25 PM
Agreed. Way over priced.
Posted by: Architerrorist at December 17, 2009 1:31 PM
so how does this comp to house marty mark. just bought in WT? sounds reasonable.
Posted by: Petebklyn at December 17, 2009 1:33 PM
Hooh Chua -- Your photos are decent and it looks like it could be a lovely house. But your site is difficult to use and it's extremely hard to get an idea of what this house actually is like. It's clumsy having to go thru the photos like that; we should be able to go thru from one enlargement to the next without having to go back to thumbnails each time. Also, without a floor plan (did I miss it), it's very hard to get a real sense of the house. And your text is too small, too hard too read.
Just wanted to give you feedback from an ordinary user. It's a shame here because it does look like charming smaller house.
Posted by: Nomi at December 17, 2009 1:35 PM
eh...
It's ok but there's nothing special about it.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at December 17, 2009 1:36 PM
This might be one of the houses with an extra large lot. There's about 2 half blocks of them. The listing says 150 ft, but the picture makes it look like a small backyard. If it is indeed one of those lots I believe it will go over 1 million.
If it does indeed have a 100 foot backyard, the agent has been criminally negligent by not emphasizing it.
Posted by: MR at December 17, 2009 1:40 PM
zzzzzzzzz
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 1:40 PM
Driveway is hardly a holy grail. The vast majority of brownstone brooklynites don't have cars. Driveways are also anti-urban and ruin streetscapes.
Posted by: zinka at December 17, 2009 1:47 PM
That kitchen is a riot of bad style. Since it's 150 feet deep they could become a farm and get a govt subsidy to help pay the mtg.
Posted by: DeLepp at December 17, 2009 1:51 PM
The broker's website says:
"Lot dimensions - 17 ft x 150 ft"
Is this accurate?
150 feet?
Posted by: Pigeon at December 17, 2009 1:53 PM
Property Shark, too, says the lot is 150 feet deep.
Yes, DeLepp, the buyer could start a farm!
But why are there not photos or emphasis of the depth of the lot?
Posted by: Pigeon at December 17, 2009 1:57 PM
I can't believe a house like that is over 1M.
Kinda sad, if you really think about what you're getting for the price.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at December 17, 2009 1:58 PM
What's the zoning here? Can I build a 12 story 17' x 150' sliver condo? That seems the only possible justification for the price.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at December 17, 2009 1:58 PM
Speaking of the 150-foot lot, looking at Google Maps, it seems that the lot adjoins a deep 10-story apt building. This would cast a cloud - both literally and figuratively - over the 150-foot lot.
Posted by: Pigeon at December 17, 2009 2:03 PM
At least the broker had wonderful sunlight on the day of the photoshoot!
Posted by: hooky at December 17, 2009 2:10 PM
WT prices are very strange to me.
In kensington this house would be 700k, and it's 2 blocks away with better train service and a better neighborhood.
Posted by: slick at December 17, 2009 2:10 PM
"The vast majority of brownstone brooklynites don't have cars."
Not true at all. The vast majority of brownstone owners that I know in Park Slope (and elsewehere) have cars. We use them to leave the city most weekends, go on major shopping outings, get into the city quickly, and to take the kids to soccer and other activities. I do agree that driveways are an abomination. Walking a few blocks to the garage is not such a big deal.
Posted by: shillstoner at December 17, 2009 2:10 PM
"Not true at all. The vast majority of brownstone owners that I know in Park Slope (and elsewehere) have cars. We use them to leave the city most weekends, go on major shopping outings, get into the city quickly, and to take the kids to soccer and other activities. I do agree that driveways are an abomination. Walking a few blocks to the garage is not such a big deal."
this would be in the dictionary next to "Soccermomification of Brownstone Brooklyn"
Posted by: dirty_hipster at December 17, 2009 2:15 PM
shillstoner, where have you been? I've missed you.
I actually agree with your post here though.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 2:16 PM
1.1 perhaps?
That crazy wedge of a house on 161 ppsw sold for 919k!
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/05/house_of_the_da_696.php
If that 200 terrace pl house drops another 200k I'll go for a look.
Posted by: smatlantic at December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
I believe most homeowners in bed Stuy have their own cars as well.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 2:17 PM
The latest figure I read said that 27% of Brownstone Brooklyn residents own cars.
Far from the majority. If I find the article, I'll post it.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 2:30 PM
I guess there's a difference between residents and homeowners though...
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 2:31 PM
11217, I belive they were talking Brownstone owners, not Brownstone Brooklyn residents. Quite a difference.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at December 17, 2009 2:32 PM
"The vast majority of brownstone brooklynites don't have cars."
Just for fun I tried to fact check this. In Park Slope above 6th Avenue, 57% of households do not have a car. A majority, but maybe not vast. Among households who own their units, whether a house or co-op/condo, only 36% do not have a car, and nearly two thirds do. And this is from the 2000 census. Since vehicle ownership is very strongly correlated with income, I would bet that as the neighborhood has become more affluent over the past decade, even more households have cars. Anecdotally, it's certainly harder to find a parking space than it was ten years ago.
http://nyc.gov/html/dcp/download/census/sf3huh10bk.xls
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 2:34 PM
11217, I belive they were talking Brownstone owners, not Brownstone Brooklyn residents. Quite a difference.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at December 17, 2009 2:32 PM
In more ways than one!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 2:35 PM
The comment initially from zinka was that "the vast majority of brownstone brooklynites don't have cars"
She didn't say owners.
And Sprafucile's info that 57% of households in PS above 6th Avenue DO NOT have cars would prove that is true. That area is probably one of the more affluent areas of Brownstone Brooklyn and there's a lot more to Brownstone Brooklyn than North Park Slope.
Since we're splitting hairs here, it would in fact seem that Zinka's statement is true...the only question is whether it's a vast majority who don't own cars, or just a majority.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 2:40 PM
Ah, I was responding to Shillstoner, who was responding to Zinka who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at December 17, 2009 2:45 PM
"shillstoner, where have you been? I've missed you.
I actually agree with your post here though."
Strange things happen.
57% is hardly the "vast majority" and as Sprafucile states that data is from 200--the number of car owners has definitely incresed a great deal.
In my comment, I said brownstone owners--and that is what matters when we're talking about how important a garage is to a brownstone. Whether or not renters have cars is irrelevant. According to Sprafucile, 66% of Park slope owners had cars in 2000.
Posted by: shillstoner at December 17, 2009 2:51 PM
"Driveways are also anti-urban and ruin streetscapes."
So "urban" would be putting a chair in the street to save your parking spot and beating the crap out of anyone that moved it?
Posted by: etson at December 17, 2009 2:51 PM
quote:
Since vehicle ownership is very strongly correlated with income, I would bet that as the neighborhood has become more affluent over the past decade, even more households have cars.
than please explain the 50 gazillion free parking spots in the projects :-/
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at December 17, 2009 2:52 PM
so again I ask how does this compare to WT house marty markowitz just bought for $1.45M?
http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/12/17/2009-12-17_markowitz_ends_years_of_renting_with_purchase_of_145m_home_in_windsor_terrace_ma.html
Someone that knows area should be able to figure out which block Marty bought on and compare it to this house.
Posted by: Petebklyn at December 17, 2009 2:57 PM
Pete, I know you. You've got a crush on Marty and just want to find out where he lives.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:00 PM
"than please explain the 50 gazillion free parking spots in the projects :-/"
Positively correlated. The richer a household, the more likely they are to own one or more vehicles.
Most housing projects were built at a time when Tower in the Park was the prevailing aesthetic, which left a lot of open land for parking, playgrounds, etc. Those built after 1961 were required by zoning to provide ample accessory parking, even though the projects would be occupied by people too poor to own a car. So the amount of required parking often exceeds demand.
The current zoning includes a drastic reduction in the amount of required parking for lower-income housing.
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 3:02 PM
"Kinda sad,if you really think about what you're getting for the price"
Yeah,in most other cities on the east coast this place goes for 10% of the price these people are asking for.In the nicer,safer parts of Philly,this kinda house goes for 80-90k tops.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:03 PM
Realtor is deluded. Check out their other listing on Berkeley Place: http://www.turnerstructures.com/000167.html
Saw the place. Way overpriced. It's listed as a 3-bedroom - guess what, the third bedroom is the living room!
Posted by: bklyn1977 at December 17, 2009 3:07 PM
"In the nicer,safer parts of Philly,this kinda house goes for 80-90k tops."
No it doesn't.
Here's a similar home for sale in Philly...3 bedrooms...probably around the same size, no garage, nice enough area.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/reb/1514532225.html
Listing price is $769,000.
Even this house in fishtown (certainly not as nice as Windsor Terrace) is 200K. And this place looks rather ghastly.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/reb/1514376020.html
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:11 PM
"It's listed as a 3-bedroom - guess what, the third bedroom is the living room!"
Interesting. I see 3 bedrooms on the floorplan, plus a living room. Granted one of the bedrooms is tiny, but it's still there.
It's 2000 square feet for #1,290,000. That's $645 psf. And monthly cc's are only $426 a month.
LOTS less than this place is asking in Windsor Terrace.
That Berkeley Place apartment looks terrific, in fact.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:15 PM
I know very few people, other than a few senior citizens and a few youngsters just starting out on their own, who do not own a car in brooklyn. It is the one thing that poor and rich have in common. Cars. Rob is right most public projects have tons of parking and the residents use it. People take the subway to work if they can, but they have cars at home, or live with someone who owns a car.
You have to have a ton of money to buy a home in Brooklyn but not to buy or lease a car.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at December 17, 2009 3:23 PM
why do u argue about things u know nothing about 11217? Fishtown is a mostly gentrified hood now,and its a 10 min. walk to downtown Philly.When i said same kind of house,i meant in a similar hood.Such as Northeast philly.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:23 PM
I've been to Fishtown about 25 times.
It might be gentrified, but it's crappy and crime is still high there.
It's not half as nice as Windsor Terrace.
Dave, who owns a home in Philly can shed more light on this issue if he so chooses.
You're comparing Northeast Philadelphia to Windsor Terrace? Really??
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:30 PM
I'd say Windsor Terrace is more comparable to East Falls: beyond walking distance to Center City, modest but nice housing stock, near really great parkland. Northeast Philadelphia would be comparable to Canarsie or other postwar areas of Brooklyn. A house like this in East Falls would list for somewhere in the $250-$300k range.
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 3:30 PM
"than please explain the 50 gazillion free parking spots in the projects :-/"
rob if you were as 'ghetto' as you claim to be you would know that there are no empty parking spots in the pjs and the parking spaces are assigned and spoken for. Spara is close to being correct.
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"even though the projects would be occupied by people too poor to own a car."
spara, that was the thing with the pjs. They were NOT intended to be occupied by people that poor. Instead they were built for the working poor and it was assumed they too would aspire to the American dream and car ownership.
So they had used chevies and not caddys. Still needed a place to park.
Posted by: denton at December 17, 2009 3:35 PM
post war? most parts of Northeast Philly were built in the 20s and 30s.some even in the 19th century.250-300k for east falls? i dont think so.maybe Manayunk
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:38 PM
In the nicer,safer parts of Philly,this kinda house goes for 80-90k tops.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:03 PM
buckfast, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
You probably can't afford anything in center City.
And Fishtown's a bit of a hike (driving) from Center City.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:41 PM
East Falls:
3 bedroom, 1100 Square feet, 275K.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/reo/1512248303.html
Apparently YOU, buckfast are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:41 PM
Actually now that I look at it, I kinda like that house I just posted in East Falls!!
Although Philly is not for me.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:44 PM
Dave doesn't have to "shed light" on this,11217.I lived in philly,have family there,and know more about philadelphia RE prices.at least more than u and dave can look up on craigslist
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:44 PM
11217, that listing you posted in the Art Museum/Fairmont area is probably one of the more up and coming areas. it was very slow to start in the late 1990s - early 200s but has really gained momentum and surpasses other, closer-in parts of Center City.
Let me have a look at the Fishtown listing....
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:45 PM
Buckfast:
You've just been proven wrong by me (I found a VERY similar home to the one we are talking about today for 275 in East Falls), by Dave AND by Sparafucile.
How many people need to tell you you're wrong?
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:46 PM
> I know very few people... who do not own a car in brooklyn.
That's funny, I know almost nobody in Brooklyn who owns a car. Car-free living is one of the best things about living in this town.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at December 17, 2009 3:46 PM
Can't really comment on Fishtown....it's a neighborhood whose boundaries are somewhat in flux and I've not spent any time there. I suspect on a block-by-block basis it may be OK.
That place looks expensive for that far away from CC>
buckster...mannayunk is way over $250-300,000. Again, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:47 PM
"That's funny, I know almost nobody in Brooklyn who owns a car. Car-free living is one of the best things about living in this town."
I have the same thoughts and experience on this matter.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:48 PM
backfast, I own property in Philly and you really sound clueless!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:48 PM
how is Girard Ave a hike from center city,dave? craigslist is not how u find a house,11217.craigslist is for yuppies such as ur self,who wanna overpay
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:48 PM
"craigslist is for yuppies such as ur self,who wanna overpay"
Funny, and see I always thought craigslist was where post college students went to find cheap rentals and real estate brokerages were where yuppies went to look to buy a home.
Guess I learn something new every day!
Thanks buckfast! You're so smart.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:52 PM
bucky...Girard is about 20 blocks NORTH of Spring garden for God's sake.
You've got no clue!!!!
You probably call red sauce "gravy" as well and Italian Ice, "water ice."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:53 PM
You guys consider that maybe buckfast is just winding you up?
Posted by: Jail_Bait at December 17, 2009 3:53 PM
buckfast, name the top three RE brokers in Philly....
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:54 PM
Wasn't Fishtown renamed Northern Liberties by the real estate brokers? Or is it back to Fishtown the way Hells Kitchen became Clinton and is now Hells Kitchen again?
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 3:55 PM
Looking through his past comments, I think buckfast just isn't very smart. I wish that were the case, jail bait.
He also tried to say at one point that homes in Bay Ridge and homes in Beverly Hills were similarly priced.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 3:57 PM
thats the problem with u professional types.u want everything done the easy way.if u want good deals,u go and u enquire in person.my friend just bought a great 4 bed. house in Frankford for 50k
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 3:57 PM
I don't know so many people with cars....and ones that do have usually wkend places.
Posted by: Petebklyn at December 17, 2009 3:58 PM
Sparafucile, Northern Liberties is closer in...maybe considered the 10 blocks north of Spring Garden and from front St west for maybe 10 blocks, maybe less.
I think in Philly the neighborhood designations are more blurred than in Brooklyn.
I have friends that live in Queen Village and I couldn't tell you where its boundaries are!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:58 PM
I'm sure he got what he paid for, buckfast.
I can get a nice place in detroit for $5,000.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 3:59 PM
top RE brokers?that info doesnt interest me one bit,dave.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:00 PM
I know, bucky, you're above that sort of thing.
But i guess that answers my question anyway.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:01 PM
"my friend just bought a great 4 bed. house in Frankford for 50k"
Sorry to state the obvious here, but who cares?
This isn't a blog about a run-down area of Philadelphia.
Have you looked at the crime rates for Frankford, buckfast? I suggest you do that before you attempt to compare it to WT.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:04 PM
You guys consider that maybe buckfast is just winding you up?
Posted by: Jail_Bait at December 17, 2009 3:53 PM
Yes, because nobody can be that stupid.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:06 PM
Comparing Frankford to WT is like comparing Bay Ridge to Beverly Hills so at least Buckfast is keeping consistent.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:06 PM
and dave its not 20 blocks from spring garden to girard.everyone in philly know that fishtown is in walking distance of center city
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:07 PM
Seriously if you want a really fun read, take a look through bucky's past posts.
Especially the comment where he tells wine lover that he needs a big black d*ck in his mouth.
It's all class, all the time with the buckster.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:11 PM
no one was copairing the two,just giving an example of a good deal.hey listen dave,u dont have to say derogatory things.i can start talking shit too.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:11 PM
I think bucky and stevieb are long lost brothers.
Janko is their dog.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:12 PM
yes,wine lover was acting very racist.and i though it was a female
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:13 PM
Market
Filbert
Arch
Cherry
Race
Spring
Vine
Pearl
Wood
Carlton
Callowhill
Noble
hamilton
Buttonwood nectarins
Spring Garden
Branddywine
green
Mt Vernon
Wallace
Mellon
Fairmont
Brown
Parrish
Sartain
Poplar
W harper
girard
26 Blocks from market, which is essentially the de facto border for center City
12 blocks from Spring garden and many of those are long as you get close to 676 overpass
maybe not 20 buy 14-16 real "city blocks"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:15 PM
thats hilarious 11217.u guys really think ur on top of the world,dont u?
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:15 PM
dave,u dont have to say derogatory things.i can start talking shit too.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:11 PM
I'm sure I know more words than you do, bucky.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:16 PM
Ok, back to this little house.
I think Snark summed it all up in the first post!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:19 PM
those blocks are tiny,most built in the 19th century.and the last time i checked 14-16 blocks is still walking distance,not a hike like u stated.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:19 PM
Hey, this one's VERY near where I grew up. In fact I'm pretty sure I used to deliver their newspaper.
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/reb/1479166953.html
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 4:20 PM
buckfast, in all seriousness, if you find me a house for 80K in any philly neighborhood that's similar to Windsor Terrace (crime, schools, locale) and the house is similar to the WT in renovations and floorplan, I'll personally write you a 5K check and I am willing to sign a contract stating that. I wouldn't mind a nice philly weekend home for 85K that's fully remodeled.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:21 PM
right.cause ur so much more educated and sophisticated than me.i want to be just like u dave
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:22 PM
right.cause ur so much more educated and sophisticated than me.i want to be just like u dave
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:22 PM
Wishing will not make it so, bucky
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:25 PM
that was a fun read - thanks guys
Posted by: dirty_hipster at December 17, 2009 4:25 PM
kensingtonian,check out Lawncrest,Tacony,Holmesburg,and Wissinoming.im sure ull find what ur looking for.those are pretty safe hoods
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:26 PM
At least Dave writes out all his words and doesn't use "u" and "ur" like a 13 year old girl text messaging with her tweeny boppers at the mall.
He also seems to have a grasp on using punctuation..something which seems to have eluded you during your obviously impeccable schooling.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:26 PM
oh shit, buckfast is one of my fellow countrymen. Suddenly I want my Mongolian status back!
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:27 PM
nope.just living my life dave,dating beautiful females.nothing better than a woman dave.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:28 PM
buckfast, how far are those from Center City? what's your definition of "pretty safe"? I can walk the street at Windsor Terrace and any time of the day and feel very safe.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:29 PM
Each to his own, bucky, each to his own. i'm sure with your vocabulary, attitude and obvious intelligence you get a lot of women.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:30 PM
Kens, you can't walk from there to CC, which is where all the grat restauraants and bars are.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:31 PM
And in many of them you can't hail a cab or a car.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:32 PM
I figured that much Dave. just checking it with buckfast. I wouldn't mind driving for 10 minutes if that's how far those hoods are to CC.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:33 PM
And riding the subway in Philly is taking your life into your hands.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:34 PM
ud be surprised dave.Kens they are all in the lower Northeast.mostly irish,italian,and polish family neighborhoods
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:35 PM
thats bull.the subways in philly are safer than here.the transit plolice are a seperate entity not connected to philly PD
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:39 PM
LOL, just looked at buckfast's profile....
"Im a poser? i grew up in Coney Island BK.surrounded by public housing. where did u grow up? anytown usa? aka whiteville?
Posted by: buckfast at February 16, 2009 2:24 PM in response to Open Thread
I thought you grew up in Philly???? What a fuck&^g loser.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:40 PM
Hmmm, I'll be in Philly over New Years so might check some of those out of interest. Thanks! Hey, you never know.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:40 PM
buckfast...now I know you have no clue whtsoever. The crime rate in Philly is much, much higher than in NYC.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:42 PM
i said i lived in philly,moron,not grow up.thats ur age getting to u dave
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:42 PM
actually dave,i do think like normal people.to me,normal people are the native brooklynites like me.something u obviously would know nothing about.
Posted by: buckfast at February 16, 2009 2:58 PM in response to Open Thread
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:44 PM
Kens....meet you at dirty franks on New years day!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:44 PM
we're talking crime in the subways.stay with me here dave.i thought you were the smart one
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:45 PM
I live ther NOW, every weekend. I think you're the moron.
I've been there since 1998. You have no clue what you're talking about so drop it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:46 PM
whats ur point dave.i said i lived in philly.once again "LIVED".born and raised in C I.ok?
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:48 PM
Philadelphia
"A recent poll on a local television station, Fox 29 Philadelphia, says that 82% who voted on their online site say they do not feel safe on the city’s transit system"
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:48 PM
Dave, what's dirty franks??? I am down if it's nothing truly "dirty" but knowing you, who knows :o). I'll be in Crystal Tea Room in Penn Square on NYE. It looks like crappy catering hall but cousins are doing a big thing for 40 peeps or so.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 4:49 PM
dave dave.ur disappointing me.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:50 PM
It's a real dive bar, one of Philly's best. It's straight. It's in my neighborhood.
I will be at the Union League Club before that and have to be in a jacket but will go home and change for DFs. We will be out all day on New years day.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:52 PM
not feeling safe,and something actually happening to u is not the same,11217.there are way more robberies on our trains and stations than in philly
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:53 PM
buckfast, if you could clean yourself up and borrow a jacket I'd bring you to the Union League.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:53 PM
not feeling safe,and something actually happening to u is not the same,11217.there are way more robberies on our trains and stations than in philly
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 4:53 PM
There may be more here but there are not more per person, buckfast.
Crime rates in Philly are far, far higher. If you don't understrand that then just STFU.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 4:55 PM
Philadelphia's subway system is very limited (two sorry-ass lines) but many parts of the city are served by commuter rail.
I haven't attended the Mummers Parade in decades. Greater Kensington was always our favorite band.
Posted by: Sparafucile at December 17, 2009 4:56 PM
"there are way more robberies on our trains and stations than in philly"
Um, there are also 8.3 million people living in New York City and 1.5 million people living in Philadelphia.
Your comments today are really not very well informed or accurate in any way.
Posted by: 11217 at December 17, 2009 4:57 PM
so ur assuming i dont have a jacket dave? and i have to "clean myself up"? u see this is the kind of "we are so much more cultured, and sophisticated than these locals" attitude,that makes us hate u guys.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:00 PM
aight Dave. That may work! I might be in Bucks County on the 1st so may not want to drive back into Center City on the 1st but we shall see.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at December 17, 2009 5:00 PM
i beg to differ 11217.i get my facts from actually being there and doing that.ur just getting them from google and graigslist.
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:03 PM
"nothing better than a woman dave."
True, unless you are gay, in which case nothing better than a man. lol
Can you please press the space bar immediately following every period and comma please? Thank you.
Posted by: denton at December 17, 2009 5:05 PM
sure d. anything else i can do to accommodate u?
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:19 PM
sure d. anything else i can do to accommodate u?
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:19 PM
Go away, maybe.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 5:26 PM
That's it for today, bucky! Appreciate it. We'll work on the key tomorrow.
Posted by: denton at December 17, 2009 5:26 PM
We still arguing about Philly? Great city, love it, beautiful old townhouses, brick sidewalks, great restaurants and museums, etc., but no one seriously suggests it is a safer City than NYC. Wasn't even true when crime was high here 20 yers ago. Philly had a problem with a judicial decree back then limiting the jail population, so lots of multiple offenders were roaming the streets. Safer now than it was, but not safe relative to NYC.
Also, neighborhood comparisons by distance are difficult because the affluent center core is much smaller. Neighborhoods comparable to WT are closer to Center City than WT is to downtown. And no, Frankford not = WT. Much mroe solidly blue collar and downwind from all kinds of smelters, refiners and other polluters.
Posted by: slopefarm at December 17, 2009 5:29 PM
Goodnight, all. It's already past beer o'clock.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 5:29 PM
My clock says vodka, but your point is taken.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at December 17, 2009 5:35 PM
agreed slope. and once again i never compaired the two. my piont all along was what exactly about this house and area warranted this price tag. was it the sq. footage? best local schools on the city? nonexistent crime?
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:38 PM
oh and thanks for educating me denton. maybe with a little help and advice i can become an upstanding, productive citizen like u
Posted by: buckfast at December 17, 2009 5:43 PM
doubtful!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 17, 2009 9:48 PM
ive been to philly twice and have 0 desire to go back.
Posted by: slick at December 17, 2009 10:04 PM
this house has an accepted offer on it I was told
Posted by: ez at December 18, 2009 9:26 AM
DIBS, I've been to Dirty Franks and while the smell attests to its long history as a popular dive bar (you can smell it through the wall on the sidewalk), it was filled with frat-boy types. I was disappointed. Although one of the visits was on St. Patrick's Day so maybe that was poor judgment on my part.
Posted by: BHS at December 18, 2009 12:35 PM
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