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House of the Day: 775 East 19th Street

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Back in 2005 (when it was an Open House Pick) 775 East 19th Street sold for $965,000. The new owners proceeded to do a detailed renovation of the old Victorian charmer, and just put it back up for resale with a price tag of $1,425,000. The 11-room house certainly is a nice one that'll have no shortage of interested suitors. The question is whether the price is right.
775 East 19th Street [Mary Kay Gallagher] GMAP P*Shark
775 East 19th Street [Corcoran]




43 Comments

By daveinbedstuy on December 8, 2009 1:17 PM

Too bad about the exterior color.

Mary Kay...get a floorplan.

By DeLepp on December 8, 2009 1:18 PM

That is lovely. The barn like door is terrific.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 1:22 PM

WHY Purple?!?!?!?

Call me cynical, but not enough details for my liking. the dining room is the only nicely detailed room. Except for the floor borders, the other rooms are kinda bland.

Maybe there's more but not shown in these pics, but I'm assuming that brokers list the best pics.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 1:26 PM

Oh Oh Oh, there's a floor plan on Corcoran's site.
DIBS, go there.

A gut reno and they couldn't have put the sink in the same room with the toilet on the third floor.....and added a tub for that mater.

By Miss Muffett on December 8, 2009 1:28 PM

Is there a driveway? How big is the garden? Their choices of colors seem unfortunate.

By Maly on December 8, 2009 1:29 PM

I love this house! Straight out of San Francisco.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 1:33 PM

AND there's also the silliest descriptions on the Corcoran listing.

"The best restoration a Victorian has ever seen!"
Really?!?!?

"This Painted Lady with a hint of Arts and Crafts"
Karen, Kyle, do you even know what a Painted Lady is? I see one color on this house.

"Ascend the back stairs to the most magnificent light filled artist loft/studio south of Chelsea."
GROAN!!!!! I guess they've never seen artist lofts in Williamsburg.

By daveinbedstuy on December 8, 2009 1:34 PM

From the Corcoran site:

"The best restoration a Victorian has ever seen!" Hardly, and it's not Victorian. This mother/son team are idiots.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 1:38 PM

I like this reno... Exterior color doesn't bother me, at least it's shingle and freshly painted. Love the kitchen, and would sell my soul for that mantle with original arts and crafts clock. These homes are very transitional... I owned a tudor in the nabe that had high Victorian details; here is a shingle style house with hard cord a/c accents.

Any glass in this house? I think in this market, 1.2 is realistic. Also love what they did with the third floor space. Fiske Terrace is a walk from the park - less desirable than neighborhoods closer to Cortelyou (although FT is landmarked).

How does it compare though, to MKG listing http://www.marykayg.com/html/0558.html, for an architecturally distinctive Albemarle home in PPS? Needs all the siding removed, to appreciate bones, and cheapo metal balconies replaced. Update kitchens and baths, wiring, who knows what else... Looks well tended, though. They're only asking 1.25... I would say prices have dropped $200k in the past 2 years in Victorian Flatbush. Grateful I flipped my house when I did (not that I had much choice).

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 1:38 PM

One more question: Any stained glass remaining in this house?

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 1:40 PM

Archi...the Corcoran listing mentions stained glass in the dining room.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 1:41 PM

Ebbinger House sold for all of 1.2 million? Wow...

BTW Anyone ever call MKG when she has "CALL US FOR OTHER LISTINGS" posted above her public listings? Is it some secret stash of houses?

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 1:43 PM

Thanks, Textpert. That would suggest more original detail remains than pictures suggest. Price is what I would have expected 2 1/2 years ago (I was looking at other houses in the nabe back then), not now.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 1:50 PM

"http://www.marykayg.com/html/0558.html"

I'm loving this exterior so much more that today's HOTD!!
And the crown moulding really finishes off the rooms...that's what this house is missing..... crown moulding.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 1:53 PM

The Albemarle house does have an impressive facade (not to mention the fact that it's huge and prime location) - BUT it is encased in really horrible aluminum siding that actually distorts/hides much of the exterior detail. I'm sure it's preserving some really phenomenal trim, etc... The house has a lot of curving lines, and whoever sided this place just boxed it all in. If I was in the market for this house, that siding would have to go.

By DistractedMom on December 8, 2009 2:03 PM

I love this house.
But something in the basement description of that first listing is driving me nuts: 'Lots' doesn't need an apostrophe.

By Kyle Talbott on December 8, 2009 2:07 PM

Hey Dave, thanks for the laugh, she's my wife!

By rashomon on December 8, 2009 2:34 PM

Texpert-

"Painted Ladies" usually refers to the famous picture of 5 Victorians in a row with the San Francisco skyline in the background. Maybe that's what Mary Kay is going for with that reference...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PaintedLadies(1).jpg

By Boerumresident on December 8, 2009 2:34 PM

Is this asking price really within 30% of what they will get? I put in a price in the widget above a million, but I can't really imagine that's what this is worth esp. with the large 6 (or is it 8) story apartment building hovering over the back yard. It really is surprising that it got so much in 2005 -- I figured then something like this would go for 800K.

OTOH it appears to have a separate garage, FWIW. I kind of like the purple, too.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 2:40 PM

Painted Ladies - from Wikipedia

"Painted Ladies is a term used for Victorian and Edwardian houses and buildings painted in three or more colors that embellish or enhance their architectural details."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_Ladies

By Nokilissa on December 8, 2009 2:46 PM

I like this house.

Don't know that it's a 1.425 house, but that floorplan makes me happy. It seems very liveable and open while maintaining formality if that is wanted. I don't mind the light lavender either, and think it would grow on me. Very "Lady In the Tramp" looking.

I would love to see the yard.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 2:46 PM

Okay, I see two colors, still doesn't qualify as a Painted Lady.
And this house to me is NOT Victorian. I'm guessing it's build around 1910's...that would be late late Victorian :-)

Where are the architectural historian, correct me if I'm wrong.

And it was Corcoran with their freedom of throwing out inaccurate architectural terms.

By daveinbedstuy on December 8, 2009 2:49 PM

I agree, Noki, I too like the floorplan.

Can we all say "ENSUITE MASTER BATH?" Not to annoy, though.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 2:51 PM

Noki, if you like this house, you should check out PPS. The homes there are grand!

By Nokilissa on December 8, 2009 2:51 PM

ENSUITE MASTER BATH!!!

:)

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 2:55 PM

The Victorian era (architecturally) ends around 1900, but the following decade is frequently lumped in with the earlier era, as much of the same architectural vocabulary continued to be employed. The houses which now occupy Stratford and Westminster Roads in Beverly Square West (originally Matthew's Park) were built around 1890 - a decade before the rest of BSW was constructed. There are architectural differences, but it's a good, living example right in the nabe of how Victorian architectural models continued to be employed after the official end of that era. Most of the homes in Victorian Flatbush were built between 1900-1910, often referred to as "transitional," between Victorian and Arts and Crafts. Victorian Flatbush interiors often reflect a blend of Victorian and Craftsman detail.

The term "Victorian" actually encompasses many different sub-styles of architecture, Eastlake, Stick Styly, Folly, etc... There's quite a bit of variety.

House in question is definitely not a SF Painted Lady, however!

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 2:56 PM

Didn't realize that this house backed up against a row of apt. buildings. Not a selling point. Owners over paid in 2005, IMO.

By Expert Textpert on December 8, 2009 3:04 PM

Thanks Archi.
I really don't consider these types of homes true Victorians.
Considering your link in PPS, I think this house is overpriced. If I was throwing down this kind of change for a house, I'd prefer PPS.

I thought houses around Brooklyn College area weren't at this price point yet. But then again, I really don't know the market there.

By dittoburg on December 8, 2009 3:24 PM

Its Edwardian, and as grand and open as Edwardian places require.

Its not purple, its lilac.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 3:48 PM

It was built during the Edwardian period, from an historical perspective, but Edwardian isn't really an architectural term.

Textpert, I think you are focusing on Eastlake Victorians.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 3:49 PM

There is much money to sink into the PPS house - $400k, my bet. This house is turn key, if overpriced. Different markets?

By Zarathustra on December 8, 2009 3:51 PM

This is not even close to Victorian. It is a basically a colonial with arts & crafts influence, though it appears the dining room is the only room left intact. Also, the picture rail, beams, and mantle are way too dark (perhaps its the original linseed oil finish). Not sure what the broker means by "wireless ready." Nothing significant was done in the past two years to justify such a premium. Pus there is an aging oil tank buried in the backyard, definitely not a good thing. Under a mil.

By dittoburg on December 8, 2009 3:56 PM

I beg to differ Archterrotirst, where I'm from, and where the term "Victorian" came from, Georgian, Victorian and Edwardian are distinct and well-understood terms.

By Brenda from Flatbush on December 8, 2009 4:38 PM

Absolutely my favorite color in the whole world. Seriously. I mean, I actually go around wondering why there aren't more lilac-colored houses. Now I know...

By Minard Lafever on December 8, 2009 4:40 PM

I wouldn't call this a Victorian house either. It's Edwardian. Nice. Classic American four-square. The light lavender with green trim is artistic and works well although the original owners would have barfed if they saw it.
It was definitely redone by pros. Three-zone a.c. nice.
Can the area support a 1.4 million dollar price tag? I don't know. This house is move-in ready and very attractive.
But you could save half a million dollars for a similar house in NJ or Conn.
I think it is very well done though.

By househunt on December 8, 2009 5:06 PM

This is Midwood, not Ditmas, as far as I'm concerned. The reno is fine, but just because they overpaid in 2005 and painted it purple doesn't mean someone is stupid enough to do so now, in this economy. It was strange earlier this week when the seller joined the thread, but having the broker explain that his sales partner is not his mother but his wife, is worthy of a mastercard commercial.

By the chicken on December 8, 2009 5:36 PM

househunt, it's Fiske Terrace - part of the wider Victorian Flatbush (there's a detailed description on the Mary Kay website). Not as convenient as Beverley Square or DP proper but it has it's own charm (and landmarked now).

It's a nice looking house and there should be a premium for having had everything done but that's too much for this neighbourhood in this environment.

For example, Ebinger bakery house went for $1.2m, the other listing above (not in as good condition but better location), and others in the area for a similar price have sat on the listings pages for months.

I guess the strategy is to price it high because you can go down but not up, and the sellers are hoping for that one family that falls in love with it but I can't see it being mortgage appraised for this and I'd expect asking to be reduced to 1.2 in 6 months time.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 8:41 PM

Spent many years (10)where (i'm presuming) you're from dittoburg, and the architectural vocabulary is different in the UK than it is over here,at least from an acadmic perspective. American domestic architecture of the early 20the century doesn't really have an Edwardian period. We never had an Edward, nor a Victoria, obviously, but we tend to use the term Victorian very broadly in terms of architecture. Transitional is usually the technical term used in the US to describe the architecture from c. 1900-1910. However, it doesn't have quite the same real estate charm.

By Architerrorist on December 8, 2009 8:43 PM

It's not a four square - look at the floor plan. I thought it was at first, too. Many around here are, but this one isn't. The living room runs the width of the entire house.

By Nomi on December 8, 2009 8:56 PM

Man you people are tough. I'm not getting how any of you know how much or how little renovation was done on this house. Do you all remember photos of it from four years ago? I don't know if this price will fly or not, but there could easily be a couple hundred thousand in work based on the now photos.

It's a lovely house. I might not make all of the same choices, but I like to see people paint a house the color they want instead of some broadest-possible-market color. For me, the only obvious negative is the apt. building behind, and what I'm assuming is a very small backyard, if any.

By the chicken on December 9, 2009 3:38 AM

nomi,

the Ebinger Bakery house sold for $1.2m (http://www.marykayg.com/html/0530.html) after being on the market for a long time. It's much larger and has more original features and in a (arguably) better location and not backing onto an apartment building.

Alternatively, this one is in the same area (less than a block away), also fully renovated and doesn't back onto a big building (1816 Glenwood Avenue) - sold for $1.15m in the summer.

I agree that it is a lovely house but the comps tell the story here. The sellers are really hoping that someone falls in love with the place on a viewing.

By Sparafucile on December 9, 2009 10:38 AM

"For me, the only obvious negative is the apt. building behind, and what I'm assuming is a very small backyard, if any."

The listing says it's a 120-foot-deep lot, so I'd guess they have a decent sized back yard.

By BHS on December 9, 2009 1:09 PM

looking at Googlemaps satellite view it appears to have a medium-sized backyard with trees, though much of the area is taken by driveway and a garage, leaving a smallish yard or patio/deck area. Still could be quite nice back there and nice to have trees and plants surrounding the house.

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