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November 5, 2009
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Congratulations to the Yankees.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:16 AM
Where's my Daddy? ENY? Clap time.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 9:18 AM
whats all this "who's your daddy" stuff. It sounds a bit gay to me (homo).
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 9:19 AM
Just checked out what you guys were talking about on Gothamist. Yes, DIBS, your comments were hysterical.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 9:20 AM
"whats all this "who's your daddy" stuff. It sounds a bit gay to me (homo)."
Back when Pedro Martinez played for the Sox - and was good - the yankees used to kick his ass. after one game in a lockeroom interview he stated "the yankees are my daddy"
hence - whenever he is pitching in yankee stadium he hears "WHO'S YOUR DADDY"
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 9:20 AM
Should I be revising the "Welcome letter" in anticipation of new posters? ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 9:23 AM
Yes cobble...it's akin to the Catholic Church inviting over the disenfranchised Episcopalians.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:24 AM
Thanks DH, I'd better add that to my pop-culture notebook.
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 9:25 AM
Do we have to talk about the Yankees?
However, speaking of the "Who's your daddy"... the woman at the bakery this morning (who I like very much because she calls me "Papi" and that makes me feel tingly) said, "Hmm... who's your daddy as she perused the bagel rack to find the one I asked for." Seemed very odd. And she didn't call me Papi this morning.
Posted by: tybur6 at November 5, 2009 9:25 AM
Did you guys see the link at the bottom of the pigeon story? Must see pictures of "trapped rat" (NOT CRUEL), complete with Junior's cheesecake and a hot blonde:
"Sad Trapped Rat Captures Zeitgeist Of An Anxious City"
http://gothamist.com/2009/10/27/trapped_rat_captures_zeitgeist_of_a.php?gallery0Pic=6#gallery
Snappy, even YOU will find these pics hysterical.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 9:25 AM
tybur - you like it that the server calls you daddy?
What is all this weird stuff. Gives me the shivers, not the tingles. eerugh.
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 9:28 AM
The trapped rat was soooo cute.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:29 AM
lmao tybur - that's awesome.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 9:33 AM
An unusual complaint about carriage horses was sent in to the NY Times' Metropolitan Diary.
A woman tells of her harrowing parking experience, saying she was about to back in to a spot on Central Park West, across from her apartment building, but "as soon as I put the car in reverse to parallel park, I noticed a horse and buggy. I checked my rearview mirror and couldn’t believe that the horse came as close as possible to my car and started licking it, from the trunk to the back window. The horse’s saliva created a film over my children’s college decals." Not the decals!
She then, of course, got out of her car and screamed at the driver. College decal destruction: Just one more reason to ban the carriage horse industry?
-Gothamist
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:34 AM
No... not "daddy," that would be creepy to me too. The word has to be "papi."
Though, I really don't understand why she was saying "Who's your daddy?" to the bagels... that's odd on many levels.
Posted by: tybur6 at November 5, 2009 9:34 AM
Horses licking decals. Isn't that a sign that the apocalypse is near? ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 9:37 AM
That horse was those decals' daddy.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 9:39 AM
Aren't decals installed on the inside of windows?
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 9:39 AM
Poor rat. According to Gothamist he did not survive. I wonder what the exact cause of death was? I hope no one stepped on him...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 9:40 AM
quote:
The horse’s saliva created a film over my children’s college decals.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate horses and ponies (except for the My Little Pony franchise, but that's different) with a passion, but what that horse did is AMAZING and he gets mad respect from me! go horse!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at November 5, 2009 9:41 AM
Lots of guys call me papi
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:42 AM
as I'm walking down 3rd avenue last night...sign outside lunch place sez 'Toss Your Own Salad $8.95'. I almost went in for a demonstration.
DIBS comment this morning in Forum--"I do however spend a lot of money impulsively on cosmetic things but that's totally discretionary" -- I think should have included '(no homo)' at end.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 9:42 AM
cobble- I thought so! the woman should have thought a little more about this. If that's what horse saliva does to decals, maybe this is the Botox treatment of the future?
Anyone see the news about birthing parties? The new trend in having a baby? UGHHHHHH!
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:42 AM
Tybur - i just went to a Spanish-English translator and put in papi - it said "papi"
masculine noun1. daddy (informal), pop (United States).
Perhaps a Spanish speaker here can explain waht it means besides "daddy".
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 9:42 AM
My favorite sign from last night, draped from the railings outside the Stadium by a bunch of local kids (picture a huge paiting of a burning Cigar):
"This is New York: We smoke Phillies."
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 9:43 AM
""This is New York: We smoke Phillies."
HAHAHA!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 9:45 AM
Must be the frilly underwear, dibs
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:45 AM
ditto, it doesn't really mean daddy or pop in terms of a father. it's used broadly as a term of endearment towards someone and that someone does not necessarily have to be older.
Look up Papi Chulo in urban dictionary!!! There is a NYC DJ named Papi Chulo...he's a young guy!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:47 AM
Ditto... I'm not disputing that Papi means Daddy. However, there is a connotation in spanish that is not creepy like "Daddy" in english and it makes me tingly (around the penile region). What can I say.
Posted by: tybur6 at November 5, 2009 9:47 AM
What's a birthing party? Surely a group can't time the event?!
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 9:48 AM
"This is New York: We smoke Phillies."
People, please! Let's not be cruel- dibs must feel like he's been hanging by a string for days. Emotional wounds like these will fester.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:49 AM
Bxgrl - are you kidding, no I didnt hear about birthing parties - ugh
Rob - can you NOT like horses????
Posted by: gemini10 at November 5, 2009 9:49 AM
I thought a birthing party was a get-together to discuss the fact that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii?
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 9:51 AM
arkady- I guess as soon as the labor pains start, the woman calls her friends and family in and they stand around watching. There's no doctor or nurse. They just stand around looking uplifted while the mom is screaming on the bed. And they videotape it.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:51 AM
no, broke- that's a birthER party. They also stand around, usually munching on sour grapes and drinking whine.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 9:53 AM
"I don't know nuthin 'bout birthin no babies."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 9:53 AM
bxgrl: that's outrageous, what woman would want to do that? for reals!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at November 5, 2009 9:55 AM
DIBS - I hear you weren't invited to the Breeder's Cup
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 9:55 AM
Right. Those people give some great interviews.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 9:56 AM
http://who-will-kiss-the-pig.blogspot.com/2008/10/monday-night-in-marine-park-brooklyn.html\
A few amazing new-to-old pictures of Marine Park, Sheepshead, Midwood and Ditmas Park.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 9:56 AM
gemini- Having been present at the birth of my niece and nephew, and having gotten bit by my sister9 who also sucker punched her husband during labor- I can truly say I have no idea. Don't get me wrong- watching a baby being born is amazing- but a party? With a video of you screaming and cursing and getting into strange positions? What do they do with the placenta? Spread it on crackers afterwards? Ugh ugh ugh.
The news also said about 40% of women who do this wind up going to the hospital for complications.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 10:01 AM
Broked, you are on a roll past couple of days. Welcome to the PLUSA boot camp. You are fitting right in.
Ty6, I am with you. I love being referred to as "papi". I have a weak spot for Latinas, what can I say. Where do you get your morning breakfast? Hopefully in our neighborhood. I need to visit that place.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at November 5, 2009 10:01 AM
Congrats yanks. Wish the series had been a little better (e.g., 7 games with Phils winning...).
Posted by: northsloperenter at November 5, 2009 10:02 AM
"I'm not disputing that Papi means Daddy."
And here I was thinking people would argue over anything in the OT.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 10:09 AM
The Rise of Japan's "Girlie Man" Generation....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6903043.ece
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 10:09 AM
"Spread it on crackers afterwards?"
Ok, I just hurled my breakfast.
bxgrl, you owe me a new keyboard and a box of Cheerios.
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 10:11 AM
placenta on crackers....is that originally from china or italy?
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 10:12 AM
there was an English cook who fried up placenta with onions on TV. Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall or some complicated posh-nob name.
Posted by: dittoburg at November 5, 2009 10:16 AM
"whats all this "who's your daddy" stuff. It sounds a bit gay to me (homo)."
"What can I say? I tip my hat and call the Yankees my daddy."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/tom_verducci/09/28/pedro.yankees/
"This is New York: We smoke Phillies."
That about says it all. The Yankees are the best team. The Phillies are good, but not a true match for Yankees. There was no way (CAR GAR) that they would lose a game six with Pettite on the mound. Jimmy Rollins (along with NSR, Dave, Arkady, etc.) found out the Phillies weren't playing the Mets or Tampa Bay this time around. Twenty-seven and counting, baby!
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 10:17 AM
Bloomberg and the Yankees: two examples of the fact that money will get you anything...
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at November 5, 2009 10:22 AM
THE Yankees win, ThEEEEE Yankeeeees win... Anyone buy a home lately.. I would like to know if people are buying? I have been outbid on one home in Hoboken and one in Jersey City.. Jersey City home was pure investment.. I just checked my weight and I am at 216lbs... But now I will go back to my diet.. After Friday's parade.... Smoothies here I come...
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at November 5, 2009 10:25 AM
Hiya six! When did you come in? Hows' everything going?
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 10:25 AM
Hey, 6! How's it going?
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 10:26 AM
Money makes the world go round... :)...
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at November 5, 2009 10:28 AM
6!!!! How's DC treating you? We have all these new places open up on Cortelyou and you're not around!!!
Posted by: Kensingtonian at November 5, 2009 10:30 AM
sorry cobble! :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 10:31 AM
where are you now Six?
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 10:31 AM
Hey 6- how are you? Do we detect a note of Yankee bitterness there? :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 10:33 AM
Very very busy here in DC - but it's much more enjoyable than teaching high school...lots of free conferences, receptions, dinners (the Saudi defense attache is hosting us tonight)...usually 7 hours of reading/work per day. I'll get up to those places on Cortelyou at the end of the semester, Kens! Hope all you PLUSAs are doing well.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at November 5, 2009 10:35 AM
Good to hear you're doing well.
Have you seen Obama while you've been down there? I hear he lives around those parts...
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 10:36 AM
Hey six, glad all is well. I hear our alma mater won in football last weekend. Have to admit, I only went to 2 games when I was in college, and never any since. My classmates who were jocks all ended up in secret societies, and are all making mondo bucks now. Connections rule.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 5, 2009 10:42 AM
Woo Hoo Yankees!
Bxgrl- Please ignore the invite I sent to you, and all the other Brownstoners, to the birthing party we're throwing in March.
LOL
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 10:47 AM
Kensingtonian -- At John's on Cortelyou Road. They are very inconsistent about their bagels. Sometimes they are the absolute best bagels (25%) of the time. Other times they are pretty much OK (45%). And too often (30%) they are the consistency of a strange roll with a hole in the middle....
I'm excited about the branch of Bagels by the Park "opening soon" -- but I don't know if they'll call me Papi. Time will tell.
Posted by: tybur6 at November 5, 2009 10:47 AM
Don't hate the player, sixyearsandcounting, hate the game! Besides, the Phillies lineup isn't exactly filled with a a bunch of bargain players!
TWENTY SEVEN!
(clap clap/clap clap clap)
TWENTY SEVEN!
(clap clap/clap clap clap)
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 10:48 AM
Finally the baseball world is back on its axis - Yankees=World Champions!!!!
Maybe I'm nuts but it seems like the World went crazy after the Red Sox started winning championships - Now that the baseball gods have realigned things in the correct order, I have much greater hope for our city and nation!
Bloomberg and the Yankees in a single week. Unbelievable, now if only the Arena construction would start too, I might have a spontaneous orgasm!
Posted by: fsrg at November 5, 2009 10:50 AM
"That horse was those decals' daddy.
I thought a birthing party was a get-together to discuss the fact that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii?"
Brokedeveloper, ROFL. You're on quite a roll these days.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 10:53 AM
ENY - what you think the likelihood of a repeat is?
seems they have the bones (no h) for another dynasty. Hell, they dominated with only THREE starting pitchers and a bullpen that wasn't that hot in the post season!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 10:53 AM
"I love being referred to as "papi"."
Where's my papi? Hi there, Kens, ; )
(J/K, no homo)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 10:54 AM
The Rise of Japan's "Girlie Man" Generation....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6903043.ece
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 10:09 AM
Very interesting article Dave.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 10:55 AM
DIBS, is there a Silverpapis website?
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 11:00 AM
"I thought a birthing party was a get-together to discuss the fact that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii?""
CGar- you wish. Seriously, the whole phenomenon is gross. First off, who wants people watching them during one of the most medically intimate moments in their life?? For real, if I didn't have to be there for my child's birth I'd opt not to!
Second, imagine getting the invitation? Barf! Uhm, Jackie, I'm going to have to decline your "birthing" invitation, Frankly the thought of watching your 'lady parts' in all their glory oh, and by glory I mean tearing from the seams with blood, poop and other such niceties is just a wee bit off-putting.
Thanks though, I'll see you at work on Monday.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 11:00 AM
THL- :( No Placenta canapes for me?
Fine! You are so not invited to my Whose Your Kitty? Party and you will so not get the teeshirt with the picture of the Cheezburger cat with her head stuck in the pinata's ass :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:01 AM
"There was no way (CAR GAR) that they would lose a game six with Pettite on the mound."
ENY, you DO know that I'm a Yankees fan, right? LOL.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:03 AM
I told you they'd win, fsrq. You were all shaky and nervous. Get it together!
The Yankees can definitely repeat as long as the top pitchers (C.C., A.J. Pettite, Joba, Mariano) stay healthy. And if they get Chien-Ming Wang back at close to what he was like two years ago and all else stays the same, the Yankees WILL repeat!
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:03 AM
how much longer can Mariano go?
He's what - 40 now? (give or take 5 years, as those latin american born players always lie about their age coming up)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 11:05 AM
This birthing discussion is wayyyyy worse than when you ladies discuss waxing and shaving. TMI IMHO.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:05 AM
Barf! bxgrl, stop saying that!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 11:06 AM
ENY- you will remember I supported you and trusted your judgement- even though my ehubby was showing a tad shaky.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:06 AM
"ENY, you DO know that I'm a Yankees fan, right? LOL."
Yes, I know. But you were all, "Don't count your chickens (cringe,cringe)..."
There's no place in this man's game for softies! Can't you tell a championship team when you see one? The Yankees were clearly the best team in baseball this year. Doubting is for cowards! Next time, show some backbone!
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:07 AM
I guess I killed the thursday Links thread with the fisting comment. :(
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:08 AM
You're the the real deal, bxgrl....that's WHY you're "bxgrl!" A true Bronx Bomber.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:10 AM
ENY, bxgrl, I wasn't shaky. I was, in fact, very optimistic. But my hopes have been crushed by the Yankees before, in the not so distant past, and I didn't want to jinx a repeat. I can be very superstitious. I won't dare go to the parade - went to 2 World Series games and then the Mets parade in '86 and they haven't won since. Just sayin'.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:10 AM
"I guess I killed the thursday Links thread with the fisting comment"
This I have to see . . .
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:11 AM
"ENY, bxgrl, I wasn't shaky. I was, in fact, very optimistic. But my hopes have been crushed by the Yankees before..."
Blah, blahblahblahblah. Save it, Car Gar! No excuses!! Like I told you before, either get on the bandwagon and help push or GET OFF! You couldn't have jinxed the Yanks this year...they're too good!
OK, you're forgiven, but don't let it happen again!
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:14 AM
fisting is a pain in the @ss... (NoHo)
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 11:15 AM
ENY, I gotta agree with you. You're either a supporter of your team or you're not.
[ A faint "Go Eagles" here] LOL
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:15 AM
ENY- The real test is if Bklyn ever gets a major league baseball team again (love the Cyclones but its not the same).
MM has the second half of her Italianate article posted and the conversation has already taken a strange turn. You might be interested, dibs- the word "testicles" was mentioned. :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:21 AM
guess I killed the OT with the fisting comment...
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 11:24 AM
east ny I think we need another pitcher... Thank goodness Philly didn't get halladay.. We need more speed and one more pitcher..
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at November 5, 2009 11:27 AM
Tell em, Dave! Just don't bring up football (Giants looking very bad these days).
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:27 AM
CarGar- its a true test of love that I stood by you, even when you doubted yourself, even when you questioned the overwhelming superiority of the quintessential NYC (BRONX) baseball team. No way you could have jinxed them (I burned arcane herbs and frog eyes, muttering incantations at midnight).
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:28 AM
Now I just want to know how BHO and chicken are so deeply familiar with fisting?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:32 AM
If anyone wants a good laugh, check out the "mouse thread", especially IMBY's posts
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:33 AM
Putting together the two major events of this week:
I will cast my vote MULTIPLE TIMES for any mayoral candidate who promises to end ticker tape parades for a winning sports team, regardless of their position on any other issue.
These ticker tape parades are an example of why I'm turned off by most major league sports today, even though I was a rabid baseball player and fan when I was a kid.
I have two objections to these parades:
1) These players are supported all year by the fans. They make a damn good salary (and bully for them). WHEN will they in turn show some appreciation to the fans???? Why doesn't the Yankee organization throw some kind of party for their fans, or show their appreciation in some way?? I detest the fact that many players no longer give out free signatures, for instance. Let' not even talk about the outrageous prices they charge for food at Yankee stadium.
2) More importantly, these types of parades used to be reserved for heroes: soldiers, astronauts who risked death to explore space, etc. The Yankees are a great team, and they deserve their championship. They are not, however, "heroes". It speaks volumes about our society that the only ticker-tape parades we give nowadays are for entertainers/sports figures. We've gone through two wars, and no one even suggests of giving the vets such a parade.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 11:34 AM
Never thought of it that way, Benson. You make some good points.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 11:35 AM
The next person who talks about fisting is going to get a knuckle sandwich!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 11:38 AM
Nov. 11 is the annual Veteran's Day Parade.
And considering how little there is to be happy about these days, why shouldn't we enjoy celebrating something for one day? It takes away nothing from our soldiers- no one thinks Derek Jeter is a hero. I sure don't equate the Yankees with astronauts, cops, firefighters or soldiers. But if we can have one day where we set aside our differences and celebrate a victory as a city, and savor the day- why not?
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:42 AM
A knuckle sandwich is a pain in the chops...
(Sorry, I'll get my coat)
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 11:43 AM
The other good thing about a yankees ticker tape parade is that usually they don't allow any politicians in the parade.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:45 AM
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Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 11:45 AM
WTF is that, broke????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:46 AM
"A knuckle sandwich is a pain in the chops..."
More like a pain in the ass . . . chicken, please grab my coat for me!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 11:48 AM
My question exactly, dave
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:49 AM
It was a drawing of a fist, but the spaces got deleted when I posted and it got screwed up. wuh wah....
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 11:49 AM
broke- you may want to reconsider that career as a creative professional :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 11:54 AM
Biff was right. Anything re: fisting tends to be a thread killer. Besides, a "knuckle sandwich" and your mouth really have nothing to do with it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:55 AM
Can't argue with you on that one, Benson.
(universe screeches to a halt, in shock.)
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 5, 2009 11:55 AM
Have any of you ever been to www.hotdogcollars.com
You can get a Yankees collar for your dog or cat.
Our cat Howard (he was named for Ryan Howard) has a Phillies collar and our previous cat maxwell had an Eagles collar. The smallest collars work Ok on a moderate to large size cat.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 11:58 AM
I have to think about that, dave. The thought of putting my hands around the neck of any of my cats is so tempting.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:01 PM
The thought of putting my hands around the neck of any of my cats is so tempting.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:01 PM
The beginnings of a serial killer.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 12:04 PM
http://www.infowars.com/is-tony-blair-cia/
I'm curious as to what the Brits in the room might think of this article.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:06 PM
Dave, I just read that 9 more people are being charged today in Raj Rajaratnam's insider trading case, including a lawyer with Ropes & Gray, a Moody's employee, and employees of the Incremental Capital hedge fund.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/33653962
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:06 PM
>:0/
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:08 PM
Strangling kitties???!!! Bxgirl, for shame! I got Hari away from your evil grip just in time!
Hola losers!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:10 PM
Yes, and five of the previously charged have plead "guilty" probably with reduced sentences to turn state's evidence against Raj.
I still contend that if Raj believes he will face jail time, he will flee.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 12:10 PM
DIBS - What size collar do you wear?
Posted by: tybur6 at November 5, 2009 12:15 PM
http://www.infowars.com/gore-not-interested-in-solutions-to-climate-change-that-dont-line-his-pockets/
Here's another goody...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:16 PM
LOL, tybur. Can I have some of whatever you're taking this week!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:21 PM
WTF? I show up and everybody hits ghost???
Phooey on all of you!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:22 PM
snappy- we were crafting intelligent reswponse to your post. Obviously there are people who disagree with your assessment of my evil nature ;)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:24 PM
Snappy, I don't know where on earth you've been, but I posted for you at 9:25 ^^^^^ (Besides, it's always the "death zone" in here from about 12-2 - you could give out TKOTD awards like Halloween candy.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:25 PM
Ha! Bxgirl, the charge will be coming to your house shortly with pitchforks and torches in hand. Be prepared to surrender all of your kitties!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:26 PM
George Bush is in my office building and they are telling me that I am not allowed to leave for lunch yet. WTF
Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at November 5, 2009 12:26 PM
"WHEN will they in turn show some appreciation to the fans????"
benson, they showed their appreciation for the fans and the taxpayers that paid for the stadium by giving them a good fisting! $2500 a seat, fuck that.
That's why I was so tickled to see empty seats in the front row last night!
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:27 PM
Cargar, that's no excuse. When Snappy shows up the party officially starts regardless of what time it is! :-p
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:27 PM
"http://www.infowars.com/is-tony-blair-cia/
I'm curious as to what the Brits in the room might think of this article.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:06 PM"
One for the Tin Foil Hat Brigade. I thought the CIA had standards?
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 12:27 PM
"Yes, and five of the previously charged have plead "guilty" probably with reduced sentences to turn state's evidence against Raj." -
what happened to the 'no snitchen' mantra?
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 12:28 PM
BBB, I'll give you $50 if you seek him out and kick him in the nads!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:28 PM
"http://www.infowars.com/is-tony-blair-cia/
I'm curious as to what the Brits in the room might think of this article.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:06 PM"
One for the Tin Foil Hat Brigade. I thought the CIA had standards?
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 12:27 PM
Thanks for the feedback chicken.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:29 PM
the secret service guy started to laugh when I said I did not even vote for that f%^(&* yahoo
Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at November 5, 2009 12:31 PM
bbb- I'll add another 50 to snappy's
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:32 PM
ENY - I wasnt shaky - I am superstitious about baseball.
As for next year I think they have a very good shot - think about how much better the team would have been if Wang was healthy and Marte was in his post-season form - and think about how amazing they would have been in the playoffs if Cano and Texiera were hitting.
Benson - I agree with your point #2 - but I think the issue isnt that we don't need a parade for sports teams (I mean why not - people like them and we have parades and fairs for much less publicly engaging things) I think the issue is why dont we have more parades for real heroes.
As great as the Yankee victory was last night, I am left with one bad feeling - what the hell am I going to do with myself until April.
Posted by: fsrg at November 5, 2009 12:32 PM
Hmmmm...wait...he may not have any nads! Ok...$50 to kick him in the shins :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:34 PM
"by giving them a good fisting!"
Fisting seems unavoidable today
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:36 PM
apropos of the 'opening links' thread, seems that hiring on Wall Street is definitely picking up. Anecdotally of course.
Da kid, who was laid off last November, was called back on a contract basis, $25/hour, as many hours as she could work, Saturday and Sunday and nights included. She made like $6000 in a few weeks, enuf to keep her out of the basement a few more months.
Now she's just been offered her old position back and the same firm, at quite a nice salary, given her age and experience, or should I say lack thereof.
Meanwhile she just had another interview with a WS boutique research firm. She was one of eight candidates, made the second round and is now one of two. Second interview today. She may well find herself with the luxury of two job offers.
Meanwhile a friend of hers who was laid off from the same firm but who comes from a poor family, so is on her own financially, and was going thru the last of her 401k to survive, has just found a 100k job.
Sorry BHO, Miss Muffet, and the What, RE has bottomed. See the jobs claims and productivity stats this AM?
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:36 PM
You're not taking that article seriously are you Joe? It asks whether Tony Blair is a CIA agent because somebody has written a book in which a main character (resembling Tony Blair) is a CIA agent (and the protagonist of the book can't prove it either!!!)
Posted by: the chicken at November 5, 2009 12:36 PM
Snappy, did you look at the rat pictures I posted especially for you?!?!?!? Until you do, talk to the hand! (I'm taking a cue from your Nun Playbook.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:37 PM
if they dont let me out of here in another 5 minutes, Im gonna be pissed!
Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at November 5, 2009 12:37 PM
Great news for your daughter Denton!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:38 PM
ROFL Cargar! Ok ok....gimme a sec...
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:38 PM
Ha! I like the one with the Junior's cake box best! (rats are still ugly and disgusting by the way)
:-p
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:40 PM
benson, and anyone else who thinks that the de-industrialization of America is a destructive and stupid thing, you might want to check out this most interesting interview with Angela Davis (and she is still hot, if I may say so).
She equates the destruction of manufacturing with the high incarceration rate.
http://www.citylights.com/book/?GCOI=87286100677870
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:40 PM
BBB, kick your way out! Go for the shins, man! Go for the shins!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:40 PM
That is stellar news denton!! Very glad for you and your daughter! [and her friend!]
Lines up quite nicely with the convo that I had yesterday with a headhunter. Sounds like Wall Street is hiring again. More contract than staff, but that'll be ok by me! : )
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 12:41 PM
Great news for me too snappy! Don't have to get her back!
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:41 PM
"Our cat Howard (he was named for Ryan Howard) has a Phillies collar"
Does your cat also strike out with men on base? HA! HA!
OK, look I couldn't resist.
"ENY - I wasnt shaky - I am superstitious about baseball."
Yeah OK, fsrq. There's lots of superstition in baseball. But your not-100%-committed-vibe may have ALSO jinxed the Yanks! Ever think of that?
Anyway, it's all moot as the Bronx Bombers have secured the championship. As Car Gar said, all is right with the world again.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 12:43 PM
LOL Denton!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:44 PM
insert I can see about 3 guys with machine guns I am waiting right here.
Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at November 5, 2009 12:45 PM
Paul Auster at B&N Union Square tonite, folx, Foer 11/16 ditto.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:46 PM
benson, and anyone else who thinks that the de-industrialization of America is a destructive and stupid thing, you might want to check out this most interesting interview with Angela Davis (and she is still hot, if I may say so).
She equates the destruction of manufacturing with the high incarceration rate.
http://www.citylights.com/book/?GCOI=87286100677870
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:40 PM
THat's why they call it "the Prison Industrial Complex." Visit small towns in upstate NY where the factory/mill has closed. Usually the only job is babysitting (mostly) non-violent drug-war prisoners from NYC aka prison guards.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 12:47 PM
Ha! Ok, BBB, point taken. Steel toed boots to the shin are no match for automatic gun fire!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 12:48 PM
Great news, denton! And cobble- hopefully something will come through for you too.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:49 PM
Denton;
Good news about your daughter. This morning I heard an interesting take on things. This fellow, a pollster, was predicting major political turmoil ahead if the net effect of TARP and the stimulus program is a revival of Wall Street, while the other areas of the country, and other sectors of the economy, continue to languish in high unemployment.
I think there is something to that thought. I am the last guy to engage in class warfare and Wall St. bashing, but I do think there it will simply not be palpable to common folks to see that the crwod who caused this crisis are back on top, while the remainder of the economy lies in shambles.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 12:50 PM
Maybe bbb can use this opportunity to ask the ex-prez to explain how he got us into this mess?
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 12:53 PM
BBB, where's your office? I saw the guys with the machine guns and the black SUVs surrounding Grand Central.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 12:54 PM
I agree benson, but I would hope a better banking sector will help stimulate the rest of the country. With a weaker dollar, export sales should begin to pick up also (mine have). Retails sales are stronger than expected. As are auto sales. Things are looking up, but it will take some time. You're sounding like a Democrat btw, Obama 2010 baby!!!
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 12:55 PM
Denton- wish they had captioning, damn those videos. Couldn't hear a thing.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:00 PM
You're on a roll denton. Stay the course in 2010? -- sounds eerily like the 1982 mid-terms for RR. Congrats to you and your daughter, btw.
Interesting perspective, benson. A lot will depend politically on what the jobs picture looks like in late spring.
Posted by: slopefarm at November 5, 2009 1:04 PM
"Yeah OK, fsrq. There's lots of superstition in baseball. But your not-100%-committed-vibe may have ALSO jinxed the Yanks! Ever think of that?"
No - you jinx something by saying it as a fact or a rule, when in reality it is only a possibility (even a strong one)..
Examples - "I dont think they'll be any traffic"
"I'm not worried, no one in my family ever has a heart attack"
"This car never breaks down"
Saying the Yankees will win the WS or pennant is a jinx! saying you have worries is not.
Its simply the rules of jinxes
Dont you know anything? : )
Posted by: fsrg at November 5, 2009 1:07 PM
In my fear of jinxing the Yanks I waited until the 9th to turn the game on. After they won, I waited in vain for the revelers to run up and down the street so I could have someone to party with. Sadly, they never showed up :-( Why no impromptu street party this year? Or are the folks in SouthSlope/Greenwood Heights just lame this time around?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 1:10 PM
Snappy,
Per the gentrification article they are all Red Sox fans with Subarus.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 1:21 PM
"Its simply the rules of jinxes
Dont you know anything? : )"
Oh yeah. Pardon me!
"I waited in vain for the revelers to run up and down the street so I could have someone to party with. Sadly, they never showed up :-( Why no impromptu street party this year?"
We expected the Yankees to win, that's why! It was no surprise to the True Believers! But, glad you're on the right team, Snappy!
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 1:24 PM
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/11/04/elementary-epidemic-11-uncovered-videos-show-school-children-performing-praises-to-obama/
Is this democracy bxgrl?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 1:24 PM
If they are in fact Red Sox fans, I'm afraid I'll have to kill em. :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 1:24 PM
Toronto Jays GM got his wish - Yankees win the world series. Yanks winning makes offers for Halladay that much juicier this offseason. Red Sox, Angels, Phillies,... will all be calling cause they now internalized that they need to make more serious commitment in the arms race against the Yankee Empire. Lackey would get juicy offers too.
Unfortunately for my Mets whose owners claims to be broke thanks to Madoff (but was contradicted by Madoff investigators saying Wilpons were Net Profit via the ponzi scheme) will likely be inactive on the free agent market.
Posted by: more4less at November 5, 2009 1:28 PM
But ENY, even if the win was expected, that's no excuse to not party like a rockstar in the streets!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 1:30 PM
DH:
I lurve you even more now for calling Minard/Sam a douche.
It brought a huge smile to my face.
It's comments like that, that people might finally start to realize what an ahole this guy is and why I spar so much with him.
A snob, pure and simple.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 1:30 PM
Yes it is, joe. It's called freedom of speech.
Those tributes weren't demanded by the government and in fact are an expression of the pride and hope a lot of minority kids got from seeing the first Black president elected. In fact lots of us adults did too. Honestly, only a right wing spinmeister would try to make it into an indictment of Obama or a sinister plot to destroy democracy. (You can probably order your tin hat online.)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:33 PM
seriously 11217 - i thought the question asked was a perfectly valid one. he needs some xanax stat.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:34 PM
"After they won, I waited in vain for the revelers to run up and down the street so I could have someone to party with"
You should have been on River Avenue - the party went on for hours!
Posted by: fsrg at November 5, 2009 1:35 PM
hi folks,
looks like I checked in just in time for the daily political battle royal.
who's in the cage match today?lol
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 1:35 PM
Such disdain for public housing. There are some very architecturally distinguished housing projects in NYC, which lead the way in creating solid, healthful housing for the underpriviled. No need to be so snooty about "public housing being crap" that's just know-nothing talk.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at November 5, 2009 12:35 PM
Yeah, when I was growing up I was SOOOO jealous of all my friends that lived in the Sheepshead projects. I mean, I NEVER got to hear gunshots and see crack being sold like they did. Lucky...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 1:36 PM
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 1:37 PM
11217/DH,
The question asked implied that Brooklyn Heights is just full of old people, which you know gets him all riled up. That and people riding bicycles. And anything said by 11217.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 1:38 PM
Those tributes weren't demanded by the government and in fact are an expression of the pride and hope a lot of minority kids got from seeing the first Black president elected. In fact lots of us adults did too. Honestly, only a right wing spinmeister would try to make it into an indictment of Obama or a sinister plot to destroy democracy. (You can probably order your tin hat online.)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:33 PM
They did the same thing with Bush bxgrl. My argument is that they're EQUALLY as bad. Please don't rush to judgemnt...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 1:39 PM
The housing market has bottomed... And if you are scared to jump in.. Just hedge it.... When I purchase my overpriced home in either HOboken or BH I will be buying some SRS... Just in case the housing market tanks again... Not a play for everyone... Those who are waiting for better prices have to realize dollars are being printed and the gov is purposely hurting the dollar.. Sure you may be lucky to get a great price on a foreclosure but you better be a cash buyer..
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at November 5, 2009 1:40 PM
Actually the question asked about the demographics of the building.
Having lived in a building with mostly older folks - I can tell you it's no fun for a young person. If someone doesn't recycle their soy milk - guess who gets blamed? The kid with the 'saggy trousers'
yeah, also noise complaints while out of the country for 2 weeks.
totally valid question from someone who very well may be a potential buyer.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:42 PM
bxgrl,
you have to admit, NJ and VA are stinging rebukes of Obama's economic program to date.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 1:43 PM
dirty hipster,
...and the smell of ben-gay (no homo) wafting through the hallways at all hours.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 1:44 PM
haha Legion!
Didn't want to go there - but thanks!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:46 PM
"totally valid question from someone who very well may be a potential buyer.'
Not to mention the fact that Brooklynishome says they live in Prospect Heights (not Williamsburg) on their profile, and seems to have a history of really level-headed comments.
Unlike Minard/Sam.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 1:47 PM
"you have to admit, NJ and VA are stinging rebukes of Obama's economic program to date."
Actually according to polling data, most people said Obama did not factor into their decision at all.
The democratic candidate in VA was not strong at all, and people in NJ are fed up with high property taxes and corruption which had a lot more to do with a former CEO of GS running the state (when main street America HATES wall street right now) than it had to do with Obama.
The really interesting vote was the one in NY district 23 where the two most talked about GOP Presidential candidates (among other talk show personalities) backed a conservative instead of the moderate Republican to then lose to a Democrat for the first time in over 100 years.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 1:51 PM
Legion- I think that's kind of a simplistic analysis. The more interesting one is the very stinging rebuke of the conservatives in NY-23. The 2 gubernatorial elections were about local issues, not national ones.
============================
joe- well, what were you saying, then? You weren't clear. I didn't think the Obama tributes were bad at all- I looked at what kids saw with his election. Hope. The classic American dream can be for everyone. there is no correlation with Bush, -they were always whaling on who was or wasn't a real Patriot. Disagreed with Bush policies and you weren't. Now that's fascism.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:52 PM
See- what 11217 said!
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:53 PM
Off to lunch. I shall take the opportunity to let my cats pee in the halls and smear ben-gay on the walls (what the hell is ben-gay?)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:54 PM
boy - that NJ governor's race sure was nasty
insane commercials
"chris christie says NO to mammograms - he wants to kill your mamma!"
just glad it's over.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:55 PM
"what the hell is ben-gay?"
I heard he's not gay, just curious.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 1:56 PM
Ariel Ben-gay was Israel's first Secretary for the Aged. Either that or an Arthritis Cream.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 1:56 PM
I won't be missing the inexorable and never-ending slog of Bloomberg commercials either.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:56 PM
Is it too early for beer?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 1:57 PM
Oy! (and now I am really out to lunch :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 1:57 PM
11217,
yeah, good one. I guess that's why Obama's many visits to New Jersey to support Corzine were just for tea and crumpets.
the story there was of low democratic turn-out, in addition to an energized opposition. In the end the story goes like this; a deep blue state turned red.
as far as NY district 23, I see that at a major problem with party protocol. they didn't have a primary to hash these differences out (remember the differences with Hillary and Barack before their primaries), then the "republican" woman opts out and endorses the democrat.
to add further to the confusion, they leave the woman's name on the ballot (even though she's no longer in the race!) what is this? North Korea? So she manages to get 6% of the votes from idiots who vote for a candidate that is not even running. In the end, the democrat wins by 4 points.
Not a biggie, just a study in party ineptitude and a test run on how not to run an election in the future. The democrat is up again next year, let's see if he stays. My guess is he's out.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 1:58 PM
I hate political commercials. Do they ever really change anybody's mind? It's like a three hour OT argument on universal healthcare. Pointless.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 1:58 PM
i think next election - anti ads should be placed in the urinals of public bathrooms, if you catch my drift.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:58 PM
Hey, anyone here really good at frying rice in a wok? If so, you are invited to my place tonight for shrimp fried rice! (I'm so serious!)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:00 PM
"If someone doesn't recycle their soy milk - guess who gets blamed? The kid with the 'saggy trousers'"
DH, RAOTFLMMAO!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:02 PM
"I hate political commercials. Do they ever really change anybody's mind? It's like a three hour OT argument on universal healthcare. Pointless."
Or cats. I've listened to three hour discussions here regarding how cute cats are and I hate them just as much, if not more, than before.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:05 PM
haha cargar
anyone know what the apartments are like in the Cobble Hill Towers? I see they are a brownstoner advertiser.
keep in mind i don't mind living under/near the BQE - it sounds like the ocean at night :)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:07 PM
snappy,
sure you change peoples minds, people even change their minds in the voting booth. why do you think they trot out all these panels of "undecided" people every November?
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:08 PM
i think next election - anti ads should be placed in the urinals of public bathrooms, if you catch my drift.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 1:58 PM
It would be fun if ALL campaign ads HAD to be place in public bathrooms aka "the world's oldest message boards."
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 2:08 PM
" Do they ever really change anybody's mind?"
Snappy,
If the people who paid good money for these commercials didn't believe that they have some effect, you can bet that they wouldn't run them.
Advertising works. As Bill Clinton once wisely said to those who don't believe in the power of advertising: "OK, fine, don't advertise your product." (Clinton said this to politicians who were pooh-poohing the effectiveness of cigarette advertising).
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 2:09 PM
biff,
I don't know, I'm kinda of leaning towards the Cat party now. they're cute, cuddly and how can you beat those tactile pads?
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:10 PM
Eh, those ads just trot out the same old tired ass half-truths. If there arefolks who go off of those instead of actually doing some digging to find out about a candidate, those are the voters that scare me.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:11 PM
I like the ads in the windows in Amsterdam's Red Light District.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:12 PM
Maybe I'm just super cynical. I have yet to see an ad for anything that made me want the product. Remember those pseudo sexy commercials for Uncle Ben's rice where the woman was getting all hot and bothered? I have yet to have a bowl of rice that made me wanna f*ck. Still haven't purchased any Uncle Ben's! :-)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:13 PM
ROFL Legion! A convert! We've got a convert!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:13 PM
Recovery recommendations for Philadelphia Phillies fans:
http://ow.ly/15ZGd0
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 2:14 PM
Wasn't Ben-Gay that movie with all the chariots starring Charlton Heston?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:14 PM
Legion,
I think your interpretation of election is probably more spin (or wish) than reality. Governors of states are often other 'color' than how state votes in presidential elections and congressional delegations. New York state had republican governor for (seems like) eternity but hardly votes 'red' in pres. elections. And that rightwing panderer from Minn. that stuck his nose in upstate congressional election represents a state that is pretty reliably democratic for president. Arkansas, Tenn and Wyoming have democratic governors but those state are hardly democratic column.
Different issues on state level. And as in all elections personality often plays bigger role than issues.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 2:15 PM
Sorry I missed everything....back from lunch now.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 2:16 PM
Do you like gladiator movies, C Gar???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 2:17 PM
"Or cats. I've listened to three hour discussions here regarding how cute cats are and I hate them just as much, if not more, than before."
[Biff, secretly ROFL so as not to anger Snappy and bxgrl]
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:17 PM
Is no one willing to fry my rice? Sigh.
COBBLE! WHERE ARE YOU???
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:18 PM
changing minds is one thing and hard to do...it is those that don't have firm opinion that ads are aimed towards. Whether to sell a candidate or product.
But amazing the zillion that Bloomberg spent (I think $157 per vote?)
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 2:18 PM
CARGAR! I SAW THAT! GET IN THE CORNER NOW BEFORE I RAP YOUR KNUCKLES WITH MY RULER! :-p
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:18 PM
snappy,
that's because that was "minute" rice. nothing sexy about a 60 seconds to "fluff and done".
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:19 PM
"anyone know what the apartments are like in the Cobble Hill Towers? I see they are a brownstoner advertiser"
DH, I haven't been inside, but I hear they're very nice - I don't think they're large. I was considering moving there myself when I was playing chicken with my landlord over reducing my rent. Really well-maintained buildings with beautiful private gardens between them. (This seems to by my theme today.) As for BQE-proximity, I almost bought 2 different apartments in the Arches, directly across the street from CH Towers on the corner of Hicks and Warren.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:21 PM
Good point Legion! LOL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:22 PM
Uncle Ben
Ben Hur
Ben-Gay
Ben Dover
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:22 PM
pete,
lol, talk about spin. you should know by now that all talk of historical precedent in politics is only as good as the next election. remember how all those polls showed that Bush could not win in 2004, he was polling below 50%, or how Obama could not win without the South, or how New Jersey was too entrenched in the Democratic party machinery.
No, my friend, New Jersey was a 20 point swing from blue to red in 12 months. That says alot.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:23 PM
Ok...everyone here really hates the BQE (and for good reason!). Question...If a condo/house that you absolutely LOVED but was smack against the BQE were offered to you at, let's say, 75% below it's true value, would you buy it?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:24 PM
"If a condo/house that you absolutely LOVED but was smack against the BQE were offered to you at, let's say, 75% below it's true value, would you buy it?"
NEVER. I wouldn't take it if it was free.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:25 PM
Can we go back to the song game? I had to book early last night to prepare for the Yankees win and missed some of the fun.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:25 PM
Hopefully Big Ben isn't the dude in your jail cell who refers to you as Ben Dover.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:27 PM
Seriously Biff? I'd become a true BQE lovin' mofo! What if the house were offered at a mere $125k? You wouldn't take it?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:27 PM
snappy,
sure you buy it. then rent it out for profit.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:27 PM
"Do you like gladiator movies, C Gar???"
I do, Dave. I especially like "Gladiator". "My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next."
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:27 PM
"Uncle Ben
Ben Hur
Ben-Gay
Ben Dover"
Uncle Ben is the only straight one of the bunch. That is, of course, based on my assumption that Rice a Roni is the only gay rice.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 2:28 PM
"That says alot."
I think $20,000 a year property taxes says a lot more. People in NJ were voting with their wallet.
I can't wait until people realize that Chris Christie is a sleezeball.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 2:28 PM
Ben Screwin'
Ben Shoppin'
Ben Robbed
:-)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:28 PM
Oh, got a hold on you, got a hold on you, I got a hold on you, tonight
Oh, I got a hold on you, got a hold on you, got a hold on you, that's right
Oro it's magic
When I'm with you (Oro, it's magic)
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:28 PM
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/abo/1448283028.html
how sick of a share would this baby be?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:28 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5A43ZC20091105
Some breaking news:
Former Police Commish Bernie Kerik just pleaded guilty to lying to white house officials and tax evasion.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 2:29 PM
Ben There
Don That
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:29 PM
awesome cargar - thanks!!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:29 PM
Legion...the one rule is that you *must* live there for at least 5 years. Would you take it?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:30 PM
"Seriously Biff? I'd become a true BQE lovin' mofo! What if the house were offered at a mere $125k? You wouldn't take it?"
Only if I could flip it or rent it out. I couldn't live in it. I would rather live under a rollercoaster a la Annie Hall.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:31 PM
"COBBLE! WHERE ARE YOU???"
I'm here, just getting ready for two of my oldest friends from HS. They're coming over here and then we're going to a HS Reunion. Horrifying, I know.
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:31 PM
11217,
...yet curiously enough, New Jersey was willing to live with high property taxes even through the other shenanigans like Torricelli and Florio. What changed?
at some point, you have to admit, that was a big upset.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:32 PM
My daughter's last apartment overlooked the BQE. Certainly not a dream place, but it wasn't that bad. The noise was suprisingly low.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 2:32 PM
Question:
Is it illegal for a landlord to advertise a rental and specify "no shares" ??
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:32 PM
Biff,
Would you play cello in a marching band? Or am I mixing up Woody Allen movies.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 2:33 PM
HS reunion? Wow! I avoid those like the plague! So I guess I can't con you into frying my rice, huh? :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:33 PM
Benson, was she on a high floor? Which windows faced the BQE?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:34 PM
I don't think so DH.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:34 PM
snappy,
hummmmm, 5 years? well, maybe not then. that's a long time to live with the fear of a tractor trailor doing a high jump into your living room.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:35 PM
"I have yet to have a bowl of rice that made me wanna f*ck. "
Maybe after that stir-fried rice tonite you will snappy. Especially sine you're inviting people over :-)
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 2:35 PM
Snappy;
She was pretty high up (5th floor). It was the living room window that faced the BQE, not (fortunately) her bedroom.
Now she lives in Greenwood Heights and REALLY loves it.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 2:36 PM
"I would rather live under a rollercoaster a la Annie Hall."
Now I've got an "Uncle Joey Nichols" ear worm. Thanks a bunch, Biff.
Posted by: slopefarm at November 5, 2009 2:36 PM
Legion, I'd so deal with it! Alright...what if the house/condo were offered to you for FREE?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:36 PM
LOL Denton!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:37 PM
Good distinction, Benson. If it were the bedroom window that faced the BQE I'd have second thoughts myself.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:38 PM
"Is it illegal for a landlord to advertise a rental and specify "no shares" ??"
Nope. Not a protected category.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 2:38 PM
"Would you play cello in a marching band?"
Sure, if you can "string" together a few more people with whom I can march.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:38 PM
I disagree Legion. I stated facts about many many states vote for governor in 1 party and president in another. Even states that solid 'red' or 'blue' and gave examples both ways. In real elections.
You reference poll numbers and how unreliable they are. And try to spin governors elections as a referendum on federal gov't policy. There is a big disconnect between state and fed.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 2:39 PM
snappy,
FREE? ok, you win.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:40 PM
"I avoid those like the plague!"
I have too, until now! I still can't figure out how I got roped into this...
In fact, I would rather come over there and fry your rice!!
Praying to g*d that I get through this without too many horrifying stories about who/how I was or what I did in HS. I CANNOT remember much of it! LOL!!
The good news is...I have a stellar outfit to wear! ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:40 PM
Nope. Not a protected category.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 2:38 PM
word - had never seen that stipulation before but seems common on listings for 3brs in park slope.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:42 PM
Have fun Cobble! If you decide to bail, there's free shrimp fried rice in your future!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:44 PM
"You Can't Hurry Love" (Supremes or Phil Collins)
No I can't wait to live in my Brownstone
I grow impatient for a Parlor to call my own
But when I feel that I, I can't go on
These precious words keeps me hangin' on
I remember my contractor said:
You can't hurry work
No, you just have to wait
He said details don't come easy
It's a game of take and take
You can't hurry work
No, you just have to wait
He said trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes
No, renovations, don't come easy
But I keep on waiting
Anticipating for that en suite bath
And wainscoting
For a kitchen island
And inlaid floors
I keep waiting
I keep on waiting
But it ain't easy
It ain't easy
But my contractor said:
You can't hurry work
No, you just have to wait
He said to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes
You can't hurry work
No, you just have to wait
He said details don't come easy
It's a game of take and take
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:44 PM
See, Legion, I knew everyone has their breaking point! I think the only free house I wouldn't take is one in Queens, Staten Island or the Bronx.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:45 PM
Because they don't want 8 hipsters living in their apartment.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 2:45 PM
I don't allow shares - one person must be responsible for the contract. It's legal.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 2:45 PM
pete,
I see what you're saying. States often have opposing party governors as a sort of counter-balance to national offices. But there are many that don't. Like New York and New Jersey to name two.
To continue to deny that the landslide victories in NJ and VA were anything but a voter push back is to deny that people often associate local politics with national issues. As they say, all politics is local. Voters are angry out there, for many reasons, economy, healthcare or jobs issues. Do you really believe that they would not take it out on the nearest voting booth? come on now!
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:45 PM
HoboROCKS,
no way I'm believing housing has bottomed in this area. The step-function drops might have passed but drip drip is still in the fold. I'm banking / betting many people will refuse to allocate such a hugh chunk of their savings and income to housing and that'll cause/continue the drip.
besides, I have no choice but to believe that cause houses my wife likes are out of our budget. Anyone else married a spouse who has massive disconnect on what they want vs what they can afford?
Posted by: more4less at November 5, 2009 2:46 PM
"11217,
...yet curiously enough, New Jersey was willing to live with high property taxes even through the other shenanigans like Torricelli and Florio. What changed?"
1. Unemployment. Makes high property taxes a more urgent problem. Unlike income tax, you owe it even if you don't earn. Unlike sales tax, you owe it even if you don't transact.
2. Blind eye to corruption in Hudson county.
3. Corzine = Goldman Sachs (no one gave a sh*t about that four years ago, now WS, and specifically GS, is politically toxic).
4. Stupid speeding accident.
Dems would be stupid to ignore results but republicans would be equally stupid to assume this was a referendum on Obama.
Posted by: slopefarm at November 5, 2009 2:46 PM
Thanks Snappy! Hope you find someone sizzling hot to fry your rice!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:47 PM
Snappy;
To go back to the advertising discussion a bit. I'm not sure that advertising directly changes a person's mind, but perhaps reinforce the strength (or weakness) of a product.
I can only give you the example of my own company. When I first joined my company, we had an active program of advertising and trade-show attendance in our market segment. After the dot-com implosion, it was drastically cut back, and has never recovered. It has lead to a widespread impression in that market segement that my company is no longer a leader in it, and is no longer heavily invested in it (which turns out to be the actual case). In other words, our lack of advertising has reinforced the impression that we are weak in this segment.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 2:47 PM
"Would you play cello in a marching band?"
I wouldn't fret about it.
Posted by: slopefarm at November 5, 2009 2:48 PM
keep in mind i don't mind living under/near the BQE - it sounds like the ocean at night :)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:07 PM
It's all nice until someone cuts of one of those 16-wheelers in the middle of the night then it'll sound like you have a cruise ship parked next to your window.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at November 5, 2009 2:48 PM
Nope. Not a protected category.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 2:38 PM
word - had never seen that stipulation before but seems common on listings for 3brs in park slope.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 2:42 PM
If I was a LL I might prefer renting as a "share." Presuming it was young or youngish people more likely their parents would pick up the rent if any are out of work or can't pay their rent for any reason. You could even get the parents to co-sign the lease so they would be liable.
Seems these "no share" LL's have more of a quality-of-life issue w/ noise and young people than any worry of not being paid rent. I'd care more about getting my rent!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 2:48 PM
cargar,
lol, that was a good one. next stop American Idol.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 2:48 PM
Nice CGar!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:50 PM
"Praying to g*d that I get through this without too many horrifying stories about who/how I was or what I did in HS."
Cobble, you just better hope none of us shows up at your reunion to share "horrifying stories" about your life on the OT. "Oh, you knew Cobble in High School, really. Well, nowadays she posts stories online about Hanging Chad and having sausage & clams for breakfast."
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 2:51 PM
Benson, like I said, I'm a total cynic. Take for example the Mucinex commercials. They gross me out to no end. At the end of my gangster flu that would not let go, the doc recommended I get some. (mucinex...not booty!) I refused for the simple fact that I hate their ever-present and gross commercials. I mean really, talking hockers? EEEEEWWWWWW! I guess commercials work the opposite way for me. But, to your point, everytime I see a Mucinex commercial, it reinforces to me that I will never buy it no matter what.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:53 PM
"Is it illegal for a landlord to advertise a rental and specify "no shares" ??"
If you think about it, why should it be? If Mr/Ms Potential Renter doesn't like the fact they you can't share the prospective apartment, they can simply opt not to take the place. There are other apartments that will accept shares. At least this landlord makes it clear right up front. I also don't see why any landlord should be compelled or required to accept shares. I don't think a decision not to accept shares is in any way akin to discriminating against a potential tenant based on race, religion, etc.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 2:53 PM
Cargar! Don't you dare do that to Cobble! Besides, you may wind up homeless...er, tentless :-p
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 2:54 PM
"you just better hope none of us shows up at your reunion to share "horrifying stories" about your life on the OT."
ACK!! LOL!!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:55 PM
Avalon way to Tillary Street
Avalon lon, way to go.
Avalon way to Tillary Street
To the sweetest building I know.
Goodbye Windsor Terrace,
Farewell Bensonhurst,
Avalon lon way to Tillary Street,
But my condo lies there.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:58 PM
Hi, I'm a democratic Jersey resident who voted for Christie.
Slope is right. The corruption scandal sent many of us Democrats over the edge. Corzine turned a completely blind eye to what had gone down which was essentially 44, primarily all, Democratic Hudson County officials being arrested. Corzine stumped with Mayor Healy of Jersey City the same week half his cabinet was arrested!
When Christie was with the U.S. Attorney's Office. He successfully prosecuted more than 130 public officials for corruption.
Christie stumped hard on reducing the tax burden, particularly to homeowners. Four years ago Corzine promised to reduce ppty taxes- they've SOARED since then. I say, let's give this bum a shot and see if he delivers since we know Corzine won't.
BOTTOM LINE- My vote had NOTHING to do with Obama.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 2:58 PM
"the doc recommended I get "some". "
I'm thinking that might have helped you feel a LOT better!! LOL!!
[Ok, no more raunch from me today! Lest you show up here and regale my friends....]
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 2:59 PM
I tried Mucinex last year. It does not work.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 2:59 PM
The commercials may be gross Snappy but that stuff works like nothing else!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 3:00 PM
Legion:
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/03/polls-close-in-tight-new-jersey-governors-race/
"The top issues for voters have been property taxes and taxes in general, issues on which polls showed voters generally trust Christie more.
The last poll on the race, from Fairleigh Dickinson University on Monday, found 68 percent saying the country was heading in the right direction and just 34 percent saying that about New Jersey -- not surprising in a state with a 9.7 percent unemployment rate and a looming $8 billion state budget deficit.
The exit polls confirmed how much the economy was on the minds of voters. Thirty-one percent said the economy was the most important issue, 26 percent cited property taxes, 20 percent pointed to corruption and 18 percent named health care.
The top issues for voters have been property taxes and taxes in general, issues on which polls showed voters generally trust Christie more.
The last poll on the race, from Fairleigh Dickinson University on Monday, found 68 percent saying the country was heading in the right direction and just 34 percent saying that about New Jersey -- not surprising in a state with a 9.7 percent unemployment rate and a looming $8 billion state budget deficit.
The exit polls confirmed how much the economy was on the minds of voters. Thirty-one percent said the economy was the most important issue, 26 percent cited property taxes, 20 percent pointed to corruption and 18 percent named health care."
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:00 PM
slopefarm
ok, let's go to the voter's themselves. exit polls in NJ showed that about 60% of the voters said it wasn't about Obama, in VA it was about 57%. That means about 40% of the voters in NJ and 43% in VA did feel that Obama influenced their vote. That's not good, if there isn't supposed to be any cross polination of issues. Furthermore, independents, skewed sharply towards the Republicans. Independents, are the same people who voted Barack Obama in. That can't be a good sign either. Bottom line, those people didn't vote in a vacum. If this were an opposing scenario, I would say the same about the Republicans.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:00 PM
Benson is right about advertising. It's impact is almost impossible to accurately measure, but if your firm is not out there spreading its message, it runs the risk of becoming a non-factor, even if the brand is successful. McDonald's and Geico advertise more than almost anyone, despite already being highly profitable companies.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 3:00 PM
Woops sorry...guess I posted the same couple paragraphs twice there...
But you see the point I was making...
Which THL made well too as a real live NJ voter!
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:02 PM
Avalon way to Tillary Street
Avalon lon, way to go.
Avalon way to Tillary Street
To the sweetest building I know.
Goodbye Windsor Terrace,
Farewell Bensonhurst,
Avalon lon way to Tillary Street,
But my condo lies there.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 2:58 PM
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Talk about the power of advertising...they've got Biff!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 3:02 PM
"Would you play cello in a marching band?"
- Tune in tomorrow to find out
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:03 PM
"Christie stumped hard on reducing the tax burden, particularly to homeowners."
Now, if he can actually pull this off in a state that relies HEAVILY on property taxes to balance the budget, Christie will become a virtual god in the Garden State.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 3:03 PM
"exit polls in NJ showed that about 60% of the voters said it wasn't about Obama, in VA it was about 57%. That means about 40% of the voters in NJ and 43% in VA did feel that Obama influenced their vote."
Were they specifically asked if their vote represented a vote against (no confidence) in Obama? Or are you just assuming that since they didn't specify that it did?
Big difference.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 3:04 PM
"Only 10% of my advertising is effective. I just don't know which 10%."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:05 PM
"ok, let's go to the voter's themselves. exit polls in NJ showed that about 60% of the voters said it wasn't about Obama, in VA it was about 57%. That means about 40% of the voters in NJ and 43% in VA did feel that Obama influenced their vote."
In the U.S. it's NEVER that cut and dry. You aren't factoring in the percentage of people who don't know their ass from their elbow. You can't say that because 60% of people said it wasn't about Obama that the remaining 40% said it was. There are ALWAYS undecideds and people who don't know who Obama is.
I recently saw a poll which said that 18% (yes, you heard that correctly) 18% of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth. I kid you not.
So basically 1 in 5 Americans are brainless.
You need to factor in those in the state of NJ in your numbers...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:05 PM
snappy,
lol, there's money in them "hockers" , Mucinex is like the number one over the counter expectorant on the market.
biff,
didn't know you were a Roxy Music fan. I like the new arrangement.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:05 PM
WOOOO HOOOOO!
Have I mentioned my love of Fresh Direct lately?
I LOVE EM!
My order just came and they are running a promotion for a while where you get free produce in every order. Sitting atop my shrimp was a big ass bag of fresh green grape! HOT DAMN!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:06 PM
I recently saw a poll which said that 18% (yes, you heard that correctly) 18% of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth. I kid you not.
So basically 1 in 5 Americans are brainless.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:05 PM
I think the same statistics are replicated here on brownstoner.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:07 PM
"Would you play cello in a marching band?"
- that would B flat out awesome
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 3:07 PM
I'm actually not opposed to him raising taxes. Just not PROPERTY TAXES. I think they need to do more with tolls, cigs, sales tax, etc. The entire state financial system shouldn't rest almost entirely on the backs of homeowners.
Spread it out more evenly like they do everywhere else in the country!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 3:07 PM
****
In the United States, more people believe that houses can be haunted by the dead than believe that the living can cause climate change. Is this simply a scary Halloween tale or our frightening future?
The latest Pew poll on global warming shows a large drop in the percentage of Americans who say there is solid evidence that global temperatures are rising, from 71% down to only 57% in the last 18 months. And global warming due to human activity? The overall numbers have declined from 47% to 36%. To put this in perspective, a Gallup poll found that 37% of Americans believe that houses can be haunted.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:09 PM
DALLAS (Reuters Life!) - More Americans believe in a literal hell and the devil than Darwin's theory of evolution, according to a new Harris poll released on Thursday.
It is the latest survey to highlight America's deep level of religiosity, a cultural trait that sets it apart from much of the developed world.
It also helps explain many of its political battles which Europeans find bewildering, such as efforts to have "Intelligent Design" theory -- which holds life is too complex to have evolved by chance -- taught in schools alongside evolution.
The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the question was asked in 2005.
It further found that 79 percent believed in miracles, 75 percent in heaven, while 72 percent believed that Jesus is God or the Son of God. Belief in hell and the devil was expressed by 62 percent.
Darwin's theory of evolution met a far more skeptical audience which might surprise some outsiders as the United States is renowned for its excellence in scientific research.
Only 42 percent of those surveyed said they believed in Darwin's theory which largely informs how biology and related sciences are approached. While often referred to as evolution it is in fact the 19th century British intellectual's theory of "natural selection."
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:11 PM
20% of Brownstoners believe that Gingerbread Men live in the Gingerbread House.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 3:12 PM
re: "no shares"
so would it be okay to not let a gay couple rent a 2 bedroom?
or a single mother rent a one bedroom?
not saying it should be illegal - just found it off putting - i understand the landlord's side of it (as dave so eloquently stated)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:13 PM
There was a survey this past week in UK showing that creationism is waxing there too. Reallly horrifying.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:13 PM
"Avalon way to Tillary Street"
Took me a minute, but great rendition of "A Long Way To Tipperary", Biff
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:14 PM
20% of Brownstoners are brown people who get stoned.
:)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:14 PM
Only 42 percent of those surveyed said they believed in Darwin's theory which largely informs how biology and related sciences are approached. While often referred to as evolution it is in fact the 19th century British intellectual's theory of "natural selection."
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:11 PM
Only 5% understood the question.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:15 PM
20% of Brownstoners are people who can get raunchy.
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:16 PM
I rent to gay couples but one person signs the lease & assumes responsibility. There's no bias invovled - simple business transaction.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:16 PM
11217;
I am an engineer who has a minor in statistics. For a good part of my career, I was involved in statistical modelling of processes (in my case, it involved the characteristics of optical fiber). Precisely because of that experience in statistical modelling, I am wary of the global warming claims. Not saying that they may not be true, but I know that to model any process involves alot of assumptions, and your results are only as good as those assumptions. I am especially wary of those who claim that "the debate is over" or run around predicting doomsday. Anybody who does any kind of modelling is always open to improvements in it. I continually worked to improve my statistical modelling.
Finally, I am always wary when science wades into the field of politics, as has happened with this issue.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 3:17 PM
11217,
resorting to "brainless Americans" will not further your point, unfortunately.
try the most recent Gallup poll though, since you like to quote polls;
Obama's 3rd quarter approval rating has dropped to 53% down from 62% in 2nd quarter. The largest quarterly drop since 1953. That's Gallup, not me.
Bottom line, you think Obama leads in a vacum, I don't. Like it or not, national politics plays out in the polls locally, if only by energizing the opposing base.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:17 PM
"I recently saw a poll which said that 18% (yes, you heard that correctly) 18% of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth. I kid you not."
I saw that poll 11217.
"20% of Brownstoners believe that Gingerbread Men live in the Gingerbread House."
BD, please don't tell bxgrl. That's the main reason she wants me to buy her the house.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:18 PM
Corzine would have lost last year at this time also. Even if presidential election were same day. He did better Tues. than he would have done in spring (hardly time for any Obama factor to happen) where Cristie showed much larger lead (if you believe polls).
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 3:18 PM
"so would it be okay to not let a gay couple rent a 2 bedroom?
or a single mother rent a one bedroom?"
The first instance refers to two people renting a place as a couple. That's not a "share." The second instance is also not a "share" as the prospective tenants are a family as opposed to separate adults.
Posted by: East New York at November 5, 2009 3:18 PM
dh, I believe those fall under protected classes. Not entirely sure. I don't think you can choose not to rent to gay people, cuz that's sexual preference.
You can't discriminate either by not renting to a person with children. Altho there are some rules about having enuf sft per person...
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 3:19 PM
benson,
exactly right. Ask Gore if he can predict the weather accurately past next Tuesday. But, somehow he is certain the Earth is doomed.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:19 PM
100% of PLUSAs drink like fishies.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:19 PM
But, Benson, either way we should be less dependent on limited natural resources such as petroleum. There's a finite supply that *will* run out - aside from the reliance on political detente w/ major suppliers.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:20 PM
"20% of Brownstoners are people who can get raunchy."
Cobble, you're really low-balling.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:20 PM
"Took me a minute, but great rendition of "A Long Way To Tipperary", Biff"
DIBS is still trying to figure out that my last song posted yesterday is to the tune of Star Spangled Banner:
"Oh, say did that tar spackled bannister set, Dave?"
(or something like that)
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:21 PM
Cargar, what did Henry Public say about taking over the backroom w/out paying a fee?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:22 PM
20% of Brownstoners have low hanging....chads :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:23 PM
That's very interesting, Benson. And I agree with you.
"Bottom line, you think Obama leads in a vacum, I don't."
Legion, the thing is...I like what Obama is doing right now, but many Americans are impatient and yes, downright ignorant (about a lot of things). What has happened to our economy (much of it caused by the previous 8 years) takes more than a year to fix. I think we are headed in the right direction, and I think we have someone who is genuinely interested in trying to fix these problems at the job.
NJ and VA are the only 2 states to hold their governor's race 1 year after the Presidential election. If it were in 2010 like the rest, I would like to think the outcome would be different, because I think we are slowing seeing things improve with the help of some much needed NEW ideas which Obama has brought to the table.
Can you even imagine for a second what things would be like now with McCain and Palin? Good lord it's scary to even think about. Someone who admittedly knows nada about the economy and a person who couldn't even finish her job as Governor who can barely form 2 sentences together?
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:23 PM
LOL, Biff.
And Snappy, I liked your rendition yesterday of "Space Oddity" . . . "Mr. B to daveinbedstuy . . ."
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:24 PM
11217
bashing religious beliefs is no answer and certainly won't elevate your intellectual position in the argument.
Gregor Mendel was a Christian monk, Max Planck was a devout Lutheran, Michael Faraday was a church elder and Louis Pasteur was a devout Catholic.
What is your point exactly?
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:24 PM
95% of employed PLUSAs spend less than 10% of their time actually working.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:24 PM
20% of Brownstoners are people who like snarky jokes!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:25 PM
Arkaday;
I don't disagree that it is a good thing to clean up the environment and develop alternative sources of energy. What bugs me about Al Gore and his crowd is that they act just like a doomsday preacher. I caught him on Charlie Rose last night and his claims were preposterous.
Yes, let's develop clean alternative energy in a rational, economical manner, not prompted by a Chicken Little who is claiming that the sky is falling.
By the way, one thing that folks should note about Al Gore: he profits (in real $$$) from his fear-mongering techniques.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 3:25 PM
Thanks Cargar :) I felt some Bowie needed to get into the mix!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:26 PM
13% of PLUSAs have committed blogacide.
Of those PLUSAs, 100% ended up coming back to the blog.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:27 PM
20% of Brownstoners who participate in karaoke need autotune.
:-o)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:27 PM
Where did I bash religious beliefs?
I posted a poll with quotes around it...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:27 PM
11217,
no wonder Minard Lefevere jumps all over you. You go to great lengths to bash the observant.
what exactly are "ingorant Americans" angry about?
how about the fact that the national debt is projected to
exceed 100% of Gross Domestic Product from 2012 onward?
Congressional Budget office says so, not me.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:28 PM
Has anyone seen the excerpts from Palin's book? McCain's group were eveidently basket-cases about her selection. McCain, himself, made sure the mic was dead so she couldn't partake in election night speeches.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:28 PM
Only 42 percent of those surveyed said they believed in Darwin's theory which largely informs how biology and related sciences are approached. While often referred to as evolution it is in fact the 19th century British intellectual's theory of "natural selection."
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:11 PM
"I recently saw a poll which said that 18% (yes, you heard that correctly) 18% of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth. I kid you not."
The below is from The Guardian:
Half of British adults do not believe in evolution, with at least 22% preferring the theories of creationism or intelligent design to explain how the world came about, according to a survey.
The poll found that 25% of Britons believe Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is "definitely true", with another quarter saying it is "probably true". Half of the 2,060 people questioned were either strongly opposed to the theory or confused about it.
The Rescuing Darwin survey, published to coincide with the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species, found that around 10% of people chose young Earth creationism – the belief that God created the world some time in the last 10,000 years – over evolution.
About 12% preferred intelligent design, the idea that evolution alone is not enough to explain the structures of living organisms. The remainder were unsure, often mixing evolution, intelligent design and creationism together. The survey was conducted by the polling agency ComRes on behalf of the Theos thinktank.
ahem...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 3:28 PM
"I posted a poll with quotes around it..."
Here is a Pole with quotes around it.
http://tinyurl.com/yjgfdkx
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:30 PM
True Denton -
Just curious. I can understand Arkady's rationale, not wanting 4 different people on the lease for business purposes, but can a landlord really dictate, if i qualify for, and sign the lease on my own, who i can let live in the other 2 bedrooms (within reason, if i owned property i wouldn't want my rental unit turning into a flophouse)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:30 PM
religion, ugh, I think I'll do some work.
Posted by: DeLepp at November 5, 2009 3:30 PM
Benson:
I get your point, but some people are inherently very connected to nature and the earth. When some people see data about the ice caps melting, rising waters, flooding cities, etc. to them that IS the sky is falling. It is possible you know that these people are correct and as we sit here, humans are doing irreparable harm to the planet.
To some people (myself included) that is cause for alarm and immediate action.
Even if you don't necessarily think so..
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:30 PM
"what exactly are "ingorant Americans" angry about?"
If you want to defend people who think (in 2009) that the Sun revolves around the earth because of what they hear in church, please by all means...
I don't find it helpful. They need to be taught the TRUTH, not defended for being WRONG!
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:33 PM
"Finally, I am always wary when science wades into the field of politics, as has happened with this issue."-
I am much more wary when religions wade into field of politics which they seem to do on way way too many issues...
and a certain group in a certain party exploits that and is dependent upon it.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 3:33 PM
DH - That's why I do Craig's List & interview the people myself: I want not just good credit, etc., but, since it's a small building, tenants who will fit in w/ the general feel of the place.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:33 PM
"no wonder Minard Lefevere jumps all over you."
And p.s. Minard jumps all over a lot of people. He ripped someone a new one today for something totally asinine.
Bad argument on your part.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:34 PM
11217
DALLAS (Reuters Life!) - More Americans believe in a literal hell and the devil than Darwin's theory of evolution, according to a new Harris poll released on Thursday.
It is the latest survey to highlight America's deep level of religiosity, a cultural trait that sets it apart from much of the developed world
your implication was clear; those that have religious beliefs are to be marginalized as uninformed and "ignorant".
you must try to read what you print before denying it.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:34 PM
you all must read Vidiot's new mouse trapping technique that won't cost arm and leg (like getting a cat would)..in forum.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 3:36 PM
Gross debt of most industrialized nations is near 100% of GDP. italy's is about 125% and Japan's is 200%.
Servicing cost however is LESS THAN 2% OF GDP for everyone except Italy. For Japan it's around 1% of GDP.
The devil is always in the details, folks.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:37 PM
"Cargar, what did Henry Public say about taking over the backroom w/out paying a fee?"
Was that only yesterday, Snappy? Yes, need to confer with CobbleSnaps and Biff about venue. Herkimer and I went to Henry Pubic for a couple of drinks and burgers last night. Since it was on official PLUSA business, we expensed it, of course (and hope people pay their dues so Cobble can reimburse us).
We met one of the owners, Matt, a really nice guy. He reads Brownstoner, and posts in the Forum. He was surprised to learn that regular Brownstoner posters actually know one another. His first question was, "What's the story with The What?", lol. They would definitely have to charge us if they gave us the back room since they'd be required to turn away all their dinner customers, unless we did it on the early side, like 5 to 8, which we said won't work, or on another day, like Monday. But then he suggested we go take over their other place, Brooklyn Social, where they have no dining customers to turn away; he said they serve paninis there so we can have food if we want, and said we can definitely bring in our own desserts (which means I have to make m4l his damn brownies).
So, it doesn't sound like Henry Public will work, but Brooklyn Social is a good option. I also throw it back to you, Cobble and Biff for venue thoughts. We can always do Ellis again.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:37 PM
11217,
just curious, did you cross-reference how many of those people who believe the sun revolves around the earth are also believers in Gore's global warming.
you may be surprised, the "ignorance" you speak of, hardly observes party lines.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:38 PM
I loved Snappy's renditions of Nelly and Biggie yesterday. I was catching up on the OT on the train and I was laughing so hard I was crying at the same time. People were looking at me funny (not that they don't look at me funny every day anyways).
Posted by: Kensingtonian at November 5, 2009 3:39 PM
I have to leave for a meeting, but I leave you with an expansion of my take on Cat Stevens as sung my Sheryl Crow:
I could have given you a garden rental,
But instead I want to park my Buick Regal,
I got a permit from the LCP,
To take the sidewalk up again,
The curb cut is the deepest,
Baby you know,
The curb cut is the deepest,
When it come to tearing up a landmark,
To make a nifty little place I can park,
I'll kick a little old lady out in the dark,
So I can tear the sidewalk up again,
The curb cut is the deepest,
Baby you know,
The curb cut is the deepest,
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 3:39 PM
Thanks for the update Cargar. We'll confer via email with Cobble and see what we can come up with. If we decide on Ellis again let me know and I can go over and do the arranging.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:40 PM
dibs,
is that a good thing or a bad thing that we are approaching 100% debt/gdp ratios?
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:40 PM
CGar, forget paying for space. We don't need to do that.
How about The Bell House? Everyone raves about that place.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:41 PM
Kens, beer always helps my creativity :)
By the by, I'm having a beer right now (hey, it's 5pm somewhere, right?) and chair dancing to Fergie's "London Bridge"
:)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:41 PM
"He was surprised to learn that regular Brownstoner posters actually know one another. His first question was, "What's the story with The What?""
I love that! What, even not here, plays a starring role in the OT! LOL!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:41 PM
11217,
somehow you've veered off into an argument on the uninformed electorate as a defense of your politics. sounds like you simply don't like the democratic process. why don't you propose a constitutional amendment to require a testing prior to voting?
Perhaps that will sway the masses in your favor.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:41 PM
99.9% of PLUSAs like to drink.
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:42 PM
ROFL Broke! I love that
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:42 PM
"just curious, did you cross-reference how many of those people who believe the sun revolves around the earth are also believers in Gore's global warming.
you may be surprised, the "ignorance" you speak of, hardly observes party lines."
That would be interesting to find out, but I think you're stretching.
I think we both know that most people who believe the Sun revolves around the earth learned this from religion who tells them that the Earth is the center of the universe.
And where did I bring up party lines? You're getting way too defensive. There are religious people in all parties of politics. And people who look to religion before science (or reason)...yes...they do scare me. A lot.
If you DO want to talk about parties though...you don't find it interesting that the party which speaks of small government and keeping it out of people's lives are the same ones who want to swoop and tell people who they can and can not marry and when and when they will not have a child inside THEIR body.
Think about it. If you don't think the majority of those people are religious, you are in denial.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:43 PM
We totally need a place where we can boogie...I wanna dance again! Any dancing bars in BH?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:44 PM
And The Bell House is owned by the same people who own Floyd NY and Union Hall and I'm used to working with them now.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:44 PM
Thanks CGar, you and Herk will be reimbursed as soon as we actually receive some dues!!
[Psst, Snappy, what have we got in the coffers right now?]
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
Snappy, personally I think it's fine to drink after noon. I'm a big fan of the liquid lunch which sadly for me these days are either Ensure or V8 Fruit Fusion.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
"CGar, forget paying for space. We don't need to do that."
I agree, Biff, and that's what we told him.
LOL, "The curb cut is the deepest".
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
I'm just back from the d-word & am exhausted. Asked too many questions & now know too much about forthcoming procedure so I can be even more apprehensive. Going out to get consolation choc - to eat while I can.
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
100% of PLUSAs love a good CobbleSnaps Production.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
I love the democratic process, Legion.
I just don't like stupid people.
You're right though...let's not worry about education or trying to make sure people find out the truth about the world...let's just coddle them and tell them that ignorance is bliss!
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
You guys should really try Franklin Park for a meet up.
It's the perfect venue for a large group of people...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:46 PM
Snappy, move over, I'm going to join you! [My old friends are almost here! OMG.]
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:46 PM
THL, in that case, I'll have an extra one for you...Cheers!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:46 PM
"I think we both know that most people who believe the Sun revolves around the earth learned this from religion who tells them that the Earth is the center of the universe."
I don't think that has anything to do with religion.....just ignorance. I grew up in a Southern Baptist household and we never learned anything like that. I even went to Baptist school for a couple years from 4-6 grade and they didn't teach that. It does say something like that in the Bible, but it is generally brushed off.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 3:46 PM
It's not really an issue, Legion. The cost to service the debt is less than 2%.
It's like someone making $1MM having a $1MM mortgage. The cost to service it at 2% is $20,000, chump change.
if the markets were as concerned about these levels of debt, we would be in a much more problematic state. The market understands that 100% of GDP is no big deal.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:47 PM
Mr. B shows up to 100% of Biff's big gatherings.
Mr. B shows up to 0% of CobbleSnaps big gatherings.
:-p
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:47 PM
PS, Biff, the best part was when he started talking about reading Brownstoner! But, he didn't give us his log-in name, so we didn't give him ours!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:47 PM
i hear ya regarding tenants Arkady. the interviewing process must be fun!!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:47 PM
I have ever hated all nations, professions, and communities, and all my love is toward individuals. -Jonathan Swift, satirist (1667-1745)
Posted by: Arkady at November 5, 2009 3:47 PM
Cobble, our coffers have nothing in them but glitter and a dollar store microphone! LOL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:48 PM
100% of PLUSAs love a good CobbleSnaps Production.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:45 PM
Not to stir up old wounds but you two pulled out of the last one!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 3:48 PM
"personally I think it's fine to drink after noon."
Just one more reason to love ya, THL!! : )
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:48 PM
AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY CAUSE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY DON'T STOP!
SAY WHAAAA!
AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY CAUSE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY DON'T STOP!
SAY WHAAAA!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:49 PM
Due to extenuating circumstances, DIBS!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:49 PM
Put a sock in it Dave!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:49 PM
Crap, Snaps, not even loose change? Could you look again??!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:49 PM
AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY CAUSE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY DON'T STOP!
SAY WHAAAA!
AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY CAUSE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY DON'T STOP!
SAY OHHH!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:50 PM
"Not to stir up old wounds but you two pulled out of the last one!!!!!!"
CobbleSNAP
CobbleSNAP
CobbleSNAP
Good one, DIBS!!!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:50 PM
We should have a gathering one day
in.....
QUEENS!
*GASP*
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:50 PM
Ooooh careful, your ugly is showing, better tuck it back in!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 3:50 PM
11217
lol, I'm stretching? remember, this was just a discussion on whether or not the NJ and VA vote had some relevance to Obama's politics.
You chose to veer off into Copernicus and medival religious thought.
I know you feel you are right about your convictions regarding marriage and abortion, but you seem to ignore the reality of a few billion people and their religious beliefs. Societal norms and ideas are shaped by the majority and are not so easily changed, they come after struggle and conflict, physical and intellectual and the course of time. And who says you are necessarily right about anything in the end?
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:52 PM
"CAUSE A COBBLESNAPS PARTY DON'T STOP!"
And sometimes CobbleSnaps parties don't start!!!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:52 PM
Cobble, upon further examination I found 93 cents and a dog collar :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:52 PM
"And The Bell House is owned by the same people who own Floyd NY and Union Hall and I'm used to working with them now."
It looks good, Biff. Are we still welcome after Union Hall? ;) According to Google Maps, it's in Gowanus, now an officially recognized Google-hood. Good for nearby transportation.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:52 PM
"I don't think that has anything to do with religion.....just ignorance. I grew up in a Southern Baptist household and we never learned anything like that. I even went to Baptist school for a couple years from 4-6 grade and they didn't teach that. It does say something like that in the Bible, but it is generally brushed off."
You might be right about that.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:53 PM
Fannie Mae to rent out homes instead foreclosing
http://tinyurl.com/yb4ez5v
HUGE! Discuss.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at November 5, 2009 3:53 PM
CGar, we're totally good with the manager that I deal with. She's cool and will hook us up. If people want it there, I can help. Or we can try 11217's suggestion. Or Ellis again. I don't mind. As long as there's enough space.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 3:55 PM
Whoo-hooo! 93 cents! Let's ask Dave how we should invest that! LOL!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:55 PM
I love that 11217 and Legion are having an intelligent debate in the middle of our usual mindless banter ;)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:55 PM
"Just curious. I can understand Arkady's rationale, not wanting 4 different people on the lease for business purposes, but can a landlord really dictate, if i qualify for, and sign the lease on my own, who i can let live in the other 2 bedrooms (within reason, if i owned property i wouldn't want my rental unit turning into a flophouse)"
Yes she can. The lease states who will be living in the apt when you sign it. You can't just get a roommate later. But you can get married or have a child. (I see rob's not reading this thread).
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 3:56 PM
Bad, Biffy, bad!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 3:56 PM
It's the holiday season, a time of peace and brotherly love and good will, at least according to the Christmas decorations at Bath & Body Works on Lex, and on Court Street, and the Hallmark Christmas card commercial last night, so rather than re-open old wounds, why don't we concentrate on inflicting new ones?
; )
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:56 PM
DIBS,
I have to disagree with you there,
there is a cost to service that debt.
Especially when an increasing amount of that debt is held by foreign powers.
If China decides to suddenly dump all those treasuries, watch how quickly that cost comes home to roost.
or when that debt from intergovernmental holdings that has been owed to the social security trust begins to turn upside down and we can't meet those obligations to our seniors because we are servicing our debt to international investors.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:56 PM
Biff, Dave, you are cruisin' for a bruisin'!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:56 PM
"And who says you are necessarily right about anything in the end?"
I have to believe that basic human rights (FOR ALL) is right. You don't have to think so, but I do and will continue to fight for it...for myself and for others.
No party or political organization is always correct, but in this country...at this moment in time, the more conservative people in this country (whether they are religious or not) are not able, willing or believe that all people should have the same rights at birth and that is a big problem for me.
I flat out think they are wrong. Assuming you are not gay, perhaps when you come back in your next life as such and realize that you are not born with the same rights as everyone else, perhaps you would feel differently.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:57 PM
"As long as there's enough space"
And booze. Have you never heard the song "If you want SPACE, go to Utah"? Nowhere does Christine Lavin mention booze in her lyrics.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 3:58 PM
THere is new bar on Smith St. called People's Republic of Brooklyn. It sounds like my kind of place. (no homo).
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 3:58 PM
brokedeveloper,
take it up with 11217 (he/she) seems to equate religous beliefs with ignorance.
despite the examples I've given in opposition of that idea; namely;
- Gregor Mendel the Christian Monk
-Michael Faraday the church Elder
-Max Plank the devout lutheran
-Louis Pasteur the devout christian
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 3:58 PM
As much as I loved Ellis as a venue, I think we should try first to secure a new place. One that will have karaoke would be awesome again.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 3:59 PM
And yes, I'm so off topic it's not even funny.
But I appreciate the dialogue nonetheless, Legion.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 3:59 PM
Well, talk about a strange coincidence....
I had to pull away from the OT because I received a call from a company that is interested in using fiber-optic sensors to measure the effect of melting glaciers on the temperature profile of the ocean.
I know you're probably all wondering -with baited breath - about how fiber optics can be used to measure temperature. Why, I'd be happy to explain. When you sent a pulse of single-wavelenth light down an optical fiber, there is a phenomenon known as "back-scattering", in which some light is transmitted back. One type of back-scattering is called "Raman back scattering" and there are two components to it. One component is light that is reflected back at a slightly higher wavelength than the original transmission. Another is light that is reflected back at a slightly lower wavelength. It turns out that the ratio of these two forms of backscattering is directly propertional to the fiber's temperature. How about that??? So, if you hook up the fiber to an optical time-domain reflectometer, one can derive the temperature at every point along the fiber. The fiber becomes a sensor!!!
OK, everybody, wake up - the lecture is over.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 3:59 PM
"Yes she can. The lease states who will be living in the apt when you sign it. You can't just get a roommate later. But you can get married or have a child. (I see rob's not reading this thread)."
True!! hahaha. Thanks for clarifying responsible landlords ;)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 3:59 PM
Oh dirty Fannie Mae they have foreclosed on me today
And I'll never live on Hicks Street any more
Oh the judge he guilty found me
For missing a homeward payment
That dirty no good robbin' Fannie Mae
To the port of Sheepshead Bay
They returned me to
Two pounds ten a week, that was my pay
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:00 PM
"so rather than re-open old wounds, why don't we concentrate on inflicting new ones?"
ROFL!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:01 PM
I thought NYC law allowed someone to have 1 roommate, not true? or is that only rent-reg apts?
Hard to believe that to have unmarried partner move in with you in this day and age you would need approval of landlord.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:01 PM
"so rather than re-open old wounds, why don't we concentrate on inflicting new ones?"
I think we're in the process, CGar!
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 4:02 PM
The Bell House, Franklin Park (have never been, but if it's good for a crowd), Ellis. All good. Always fun to try a new place, and if they can cordon us off in our own corner like Union Hall (for the sake of other patrons, of course), all the better. Besides, we'll still meet new people since *rob* has taken to picking up strangers at gatherings and bringing them to meet us.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:02 PM
3 minute break...Lil' Wayne's "A Milli" just came on in my Itunes...gotta boogie!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:02 PM
11217,
"I have to believe that basic human rights (FOR ALL) is right. You don't have to think so, but I do and will continue to fight for it...for myself and for others. "
not to get all scientific on you, but in vivo studies have shown that the fetus has the ability to sense pain and even laugh.
didn't want to go there, but you forced the issue.
and before everyone gets all nuts, I myself am not
religious.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:03 PM
"You guys should really try Franklin Park for a meet up.
It's the perfect venue for a large group of people..."
11217, it's high time you came out with us.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:03 PM
Did anyone else hear the teacher from Charlie Brown by the time Benson reached the second sentence?
Wah wah wah wah.
LOL- I'm sure it's actually very interesting Benson but I just don't have the mental capacity for 'smarty pants stuff' at present.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:03 PM
dirty hipster,
lol, hey, I just wanted to talk about cats and their tactile pads!
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:04 PM
Cobble:
(A) Add a ;-) to your last post, por favor; and
II. Herkimer and I were a little hurt that he didn't ask about either of us, only The What.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:04 PM
"not to get all scientific on you, but in vivo studies have shown that the fetus has the ability to sense pain and even laugh."
Mine gets the hiccups. I saw it on the sonogram.
My question would be at what point is this the case?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:05 PM
"and before everyone gets all nuts"
Um, Legion, it's a few years too late for that.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:05 PM
fabulous quote, Arkady! Although I would change "individuals" to "cats" :-)
Resent Al Gore all you want for making money (G-d forbid, he should make money- but isn't that exactly what any of us want to do?), there are reputable scientists who can back up global warming with actual science. They track trends, air quality, polar ice, animal populations ,etc. They depend on scientific method. There is a methodology to science- people who want intelligent design taught forget this major fact. They also forget that science does not demand a belief in G-d (or not).
"you don't find it interesting that the party which speaks of small government and keeping it out of people's lives are the same ones who want to swoop and tell people who they can and can not marry and when and when they will not have a child inside THEIR body."
11217 is completely right. Because forcing religion on the populace- whether by demanding creationism be taught alongside Darwin, or telling women when, if and how they can have sex or children, or refusing equal rights to gays- is advocating government intrusion where is it not warranted nor wanted.
Legion- Christie won by what- 5%? That's no landslide.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:06 PM
I stand corrected....
I think we're in the process, CGar! ;-)
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 4:07 PM
"I love that 11217 and Legion are having an intelligent debate in the middle of our usual mindless banter ;)"
I noticed that, too, DH, lol. I just figured I'd slip past them without interrupting. Better to mind my own business.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:07 PM
I also think that the new place, The Vanderbilt wouldn't be a bad place for a meet-up, but you would probably want to check with them first...
The drinks were delicious and they had a nice front bar space which would easily accommodate like 20 people...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:07 PM
You'd be interested in knowing where Al Gore's investment fund's office is and what he pays for rent. All I can say is sweeeet.
BTW he was at B&N 5th Ave yesterday afternoon, longest line I'd ever seen there.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 4:08 PM
LOL, I missed that line. See that Benson, I really did tune out!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:08 PM
"II. Herkimer and I were a little hurt that he didn't ask about either of us, only The What."
When the rest of us start to gain that sort of notariety...it's time to roll up the OT! Or check into some safe place for "a rest".
Posted by: cobblehiller at November 5, 2009 4:09 PM
Actually benson I did find that really interesting.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:09 PM
Legion, despite all that you hear in the popular press, China and other governments continue to ADD to their positons of US debt. Yes, the % as part of the total is declining but this is the lunatic fringe speaking when they say these countries will "dump" our debt.
Sorry. You need to look at the actual data.
China's not going to dump anything. Like I said above, they continue to buy more.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:11 PM
Wooo! Living room dancing is exhilerating!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:11 PM
legion, it's refreshing to see you and so many others suddenly worried about the deficit, when they didn't seem to care for eight years. Actually it's a good thing we have one now else things would be worse.
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 4:12 PM
"they had a nice front bar space which would easily accommodate like 20 people..."
Given we typically get 30-35 people and that doesn't include others that are at the bar that night, we need a place that holds much more.
Think BIG!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:12 PM
"I also think that the new place, The Vanderbilt wouldn't be a bad place for a meet-up, but you would probably want to check with them first...
The drinks were delicious and they had a nice front bar space which would easily accommodate like 20 people..."
11217, you're dodging my question about coming out with us (no homo) (well, actually, homo, but no homo)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:13 PM
I can't believe people are criticizing Al Gore for making money. He is also doing something he truly believes in and most sane people would consider it a good cause. Improving the planet is bad...HOW?
Unlike the Rush Limbaugh's Glen Beck's, (I'll add Keith Olberman for you Legion)'s of the world who aren't actually responsible for getting anyone elected but make GOBS of money by telling damaging untruths about the world...on purpose!
At least Al Gore truly believes what he says. Same can not be said of the windbags I mentioned above...they say it for one thing and one thing only...money (and ratings).
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:13 PM
What if I told you guys that I could potentially arrange for free tequilla for your next gathering?
A friend of mine is part owner and a salesmen for a start-up tequilla company. He has been closing some accounts in Brooklyn and will be working with the restaurants to do some tequilla tastings. It sounds like he could reach a diverse group of heavy drinkers here!
The catch is that the event would have to be at a restaurant or bar carrying his product.
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 4:13 PM
dibs,
I hope your right, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that as our intergovermental holdings come do, and our debt service grows, the money to hand out to our seniors, all 70 million baby boomers, soon runs out.
That's not good.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:15 PM
"What if I told you guys that I could potentially arrange for free tequilla for your next gathering?"
I would say "Ay Carumba"!!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:15 PM
Bxgrl;
The debate over gloabl warming is not a disagreement about some scientific principles. There are no fundamental scientific principles at stake. The deabte is over the results of scientific modelling, which is a WHOLE other animal.
This modelling involves literally 10's of thousands of line of computer code, massive amounts of data, and hundreds of modelling assumptions. As such, it is highly susceptible to error.
I am not disparaging the work of any scientist who is doing research in this field. As I said above, it may turn out that there is indeed global warming. What I am against are those who want to politicize the debate, and want to declare it "closed". Anyone who talks like that is not acting in the scientific method.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 4:15 PM
"11217, you're dodging my question about coming out with us (no homo) (well, actually, homo, but no homo)"
Only if I can sit next to stevieb. :)
I can't commit. Honestly, with people like Minard, stevieb/bbb on my case (and do it with such hatred and contempt) I am concerned about meeting up in person.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:15 PM
Free tequila with this crowd could be dangerous!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:16 PM
11217,
or stated more succinctly:
go look at a 3 dimensional sonogram of a six month fetus and come back here to tell us that that is NOT a human being in there.
I suspect your ideas of what's right and wrong will be re-defined. mind you, I'm not advocating a particular side on the abortion issue. Just pointing out the science of it.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:17 PM
I can't believe people are criticizing Al Gore for making money. He is also doing something he truly believes in and most sane people would consider it a good cause. Improving the planet is bad...HOW?
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:13 PM
One of Gore’s global warming advisors, CEO Timothy LaSalle, told Gore’s team that CO2 emissions could be neutralized completely by clever use of agriculture and technology, without the need for a global carbon tax or the use of cap and trade systems that Gore, along with people like the Rothschilds, Maurice Strong and Barack Obama, have a huge financial stake in promoting.
The Newsweek article states:
“If we feed the biology and manage grasslands appropriately, we could sequester as much carbon as we emit,” says Timothy LaSalle, CEO of the Rodale Institute, who presented at two summits. The political clash is this: if you tell people soils can be managed to suck up lots of our carbon emissions, it sounds like a get-out-of-jail-free card, and could decrease what little enthusiasm there is for reducing those emissions—as one of Gore’s assistants told LaSalle in asking him to dial down his estimate. (He didn’t.)
So there you have it – LaSalle proposed a way of solving the CO2 issue but was basically told to shove it by Gore’s team because the methods he advocated would eliminate the need for what Gore and his cronies are really pursuing, nightmare regulation, taxation, and control over American’s lives, along with billions of dollars flooding into the coffers of Gore and the rest of the “carbon billionaire” globalists via the carbon trading systems they own.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 4:17 PM
stevieB is busy in the Thursday Links thread.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:18 PM
Well, we already have The Worm; it only makes sense we add the tequila!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:18 PM
"What if I told you guys that I could potentially arrange for free tequilla for your next gathering?"
You would be my new bestest friend!
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:19 PM
I'm not getting into an argument about abortion with you, Legion. I believe the woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. Period.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:20 PM
Sigh. No one is willing to fry my rice? Not even for a free portion? Damn.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:22 PM
"What if I told you guys that I could potentially arrange for free tequilla for your next gathering?"
I would say, Snappy has to eat the worm, and please join us on December 3rd Brokedeveloper.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:22 PM
I believe the woman should drink lots of tequila and have the right to make bad decisions regarding what to do with her body. Period.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:22 PM
S benson stated, there are no scientific principles involved in the "theory" of global warming. IT IS all modelling and conjecture.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:23 PM
CGar, you should have told the owner that Herki was The What and you were Mr. B. I would pay to see that reaction.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at November 5, 2009 4:23 PM
Why do I have to eat the worm??? NO FAIR!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:23 PM
"I am not disparaging the work of any scientist who is doing research in this field. As I said above, it may turn out that there is indeed global warming."
benson, I'm surprised at you. Are you saying that the earth is not getting warmer? I see what legion is saying, about the modeling aspect and predicting the future and possibly getting it wrong. I suppose that's harder to argue with. But while you can argue that the future is not predictable, you can't argue that the earth has been getting warmer, can you?
Posted by: denton at November 5, 2009 4:24 PM
hehe cgar/legion!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 4:25 PM
Re Global Warming:
Why not err on the side of caution and do all we can to reduce harmful emissions and minimize our carbon footprints?
I don't understand why would anyone argue against this.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:25 PM
"THere is new bar on Smith St. called People's Republic of Brooklyn. It sounds like my kind of place. (no homo)."
Pete, I'll be happy to "location scout" it with you one night, just let me know. I also want to go to "Camp".
"CGar, you should have told the owner that Herki was The What and you were Mr. B. I would pay to see that reaction."
Damn, Kens, I wasn't quick enough on my feet! That would've been great!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:26 PM
OK, clarification. When I talk of "global warming", I mean man-made global warming.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 4:27 PM
My carbon footprint is a size 11. I've tried binding my feet, but so far it's not working.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:27 PM
Brokedeveloper, I take back everything mean and nasty I ever said to you.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:27 PM
there is lot of stray voltage on streets of brooklyn...either watch out or bring your cell phone for recharging free..(you can put in your address and find closest spots)
http://strayvoltagenyc.org/brooklyn-map
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:28 PM
I get what you are saying about the modeling too, but who wants to take the chance? The planet could be dying as we speak. (obviously I know who wants to take the chance...) I know some will take me for a crazy green hippy for even suggesting it, but it's possible. Certainly a lot of the "modeling" has been showing things getting progressively worse and moving at a faster clip. I just think when we are talking about our ONE AND ONLY PLANET, it would be a good idea to be better safe than sorry. No?
Maybe some of this "modeling" would have been helpful before we invaded Iraq...?
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:28 PM
Or what Biff said at 4:25...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:29 PM
benson- I do understand that. But scientific modelling has its limits and is not 100% . It's a tool. I do agree that people use the issue politically, and that is the case on both sides of the fence. But get a politician involved and you can kiss intelligent discourse out the door. If we banned politicians we could save the world from the pollution of all that hot air.
Legion- no one can debate a 6 month old fetus is a child. We can debate at what point a dividing cell should be considered a life in the sense of a human life. I'm sure we'll get ito semantics but I do mean why should a fertilized egg at the moment of conception suddenly claim the same rights as a fully formed fetus/child? One is actual, the other is potential.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:29 PM
What is everyone doing to reduce his/her carbon footprint?
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:29 PM
Brokedeveloper for President!!
Wait a minute...
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:29 PM
"I don't understand why would anyone argue against this."
Biff - if global warming exists then why is it so cold out right now!!
;)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 4:29 PM
"I can't commit. Honestly, with people like Minard, stevieb/bbb on my case (and do it with such hatred and contempt) I am concerned about meeting up in person."
11217:
First, NONE of them come out drinking with us;
B. I used to spar with Pete and more4less (and YOU for that matter), and now I go out drinking with them; and
(iii) You feel much differently about people after you've met them in person and had a drink with them - you've been sparring with Legion all afternoon, and he came out to meet us at UHall, and he's a great guy.
(I've missed my calling - I wonder if the Hare Krishnas are hiring.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:30 PM
11217,
but I was only pointing you to the scientific consensus.
now who is being close minded?
you see 11217, there is the double edged sword.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:30 PM
"I don't understand why would anyone argue against this."
Uh, Biff, have you ever READ the OT? LOL.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:31 PM
dibs- actually it is based on quite a bit more than modeling and conjecture.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:32 PM
"I don't understand why would anyone argue against this"
Well,allow me to do so.
It is all very nice for us here on the east coast to argue for things like cap-and-trade, since we don't manufacture anything here anymore.
Who will take the hit from cap-and-trade? Manufacturers, that's who - the sector of the economy that has been hit the hardest.
You want to see the US lose the rest of its industry? Hit them up with cap-and-trade. Yeah, that's the ticket for making sure that the rest of it is packed off to China. Of course, neither China nor Indai will hear a thing about caps, because they, unlike us, still care about their manufacturing sector.
So, to anwer your question: I don't want to see our economy have another shackle put on it for the sake of some phenomenon that is not yet proven.
Posted by: benson at November 5, 2009 4:32 PM
"I don't understand why would anyone argue against this."
Uh, Biff, have you ever READ the OT? LOL.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:31 PM
OH, Christ no. It's bad enough when I try to catch up after being out to lunch for an hour and a half.
It's like being sober and meeting up with your friends who have all been drinking for 5-6 hours.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:34 PM
Legion-
Nearly all pregnancies are viable after the 27th week (7 months), and NO pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. 27 weeks is 7 months pregnant.
The majority of abortions preformed at at the 13-15 weeks stage. The amount of abortions preformed after 24 weeks is less than 1% and usually are done because it poses an imminent threat to the woman's life/safety.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:34 PM
"Why do I have to eat the worm??? NO FAIR!"
Because out of all of us, Snappy, you love "creepy crawlers" the best.
Did anyone else have Creepy Crawlers as a kid?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:34 PM
The scientific consensus is that there is global warming.
And legion- I will go to the 12/3 meet up if you promise to be there. No pressure. (Be there).
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:34 PM
"Maybe some of this "modeling" would have been helpful before we invaded Iraq...?"
11217, it seems we're on the same page politically with virtually every issue discussed.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:36 PM
Gore has made a killing on his investments in green tech.. That is why he is hellbent on telling everyone to go green.. I would do the same if I was going to make 100 million plus on green investments.. Biff has a point, I would rather reduce the our carbon footprint... Just in case those models are correct.
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at November 5, 2009 4:36 PM
So, is the rising temperatures of OTHER planets in the solar system caused by pollution on earth?
Sounds more logical to say that sun spot activity is causing this. The sun IS getting hotter as solar flare/sun spot activity has INCREASED since 1980.
Solar activity was at an all time recorded LOW between 1940-1980 , a time of record cold temps. Some of us old enough to remember might recall the "global cooling" hysteria of the 70's (for people my age, I shit you not , Google it).
from Wikipedia
Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 4:36 PM
"27 weeks is 7 months pregnant."
Sorry meant to delete that second sentence since I stated it in the one prior. duh.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:37 PM
"It's like being sober and meeting up with your friends who have all been drinking for 5-6 hours."
QOTD, Dave! And from now on this is how I describe the OT to strangers.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:37 PM
China and India are laughing at us on this matter. benson is right about the fact that this puts one more shackle on industry.
It seems that those who have been arguing the loudest against the US corporations shipping jobs overseas and the plight of the US worker are the ones who are arguing the loudest for these issues that will further push industry offshore.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:37 PM
No! I refuse to eat the worm. Besides, I think it would be more appropriate if Jester ate the worm.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:37 PM
"What is everyone doing to reduce his/her carbon footprint?"
- taking Gas-X daily
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 4:37 PM
townhouselady,
I hear you. So I will through out this question:
does the 7, 8, 9 month fetus have rights as a human being?
no need to answer. just further illustrating the point to 11217 about how our concepts can change on both sides, and they don't necessarily denote "ignorance".
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:38 PM
benson- not proven in the eyes of some people and well proven to others. Cap and trade won't be much of an issue if we're all gasping for air. I have a problem leaving a world for our children where they'll be wearing gas masks, and the only elephants they be able to see will be a political symbol or on a glass slide.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:39 PM
you know what they say about a guy with a big carbonfootprint? tell me, I forgot.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:39 PM
I LOVE GUSANOS de MAGUAY.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:39 PM
I eat more red meat which gets rid of those farting cows.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:40 PM
"You want to see the US lose the rest of its industry?"
I'd gladly give up the loss of this industry if the alternative is a dead planet uninhabitable by humans.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:41 PM
I bury my bum in the couch after eating beans. That outta help carbon emissions :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:42 PM
CGar, don't forget those Brownies. Tara has been asking about them recently on a few threads.
Posted by: more4less at November 5, 2009 4:43 PM
The industry won't be lost globally, which is the point. it will be moved to China/Mexico/India.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:43 PM
bxgrl,
I tend to agree with you about the early stages of pregnancy. Again, I have no religious horse in that race.
12/3? only if everyone steers clear of politics and religion. lol.
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:43 PM
i just skimmed thru the last like 5 hours of posts and saw free tequila! ha! where!
8rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at November 5, 2009 4:44 PM
Is a blondie just a brownie made with white chocolate or is it something else?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:44 PM
I'd gladly give up the loss of this industry if the alternative is a dead planet uninhabitable by humans.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:41 PM
brownstones will be half off peak comps then.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 4:44 PM
"Who will take the hit from cap-and-trade? Manufacturers, that's who - the sector of the economy that has been hit the hardest."
This is like when someone argues that cutting down trees in the rainforest is a good thing because it keeps people employed. Let's think about the bigger picture. We do not have a right to destroy this planet! Take the resources being wasted on the military, the space program, etc. and employ individuals who are in industries that are most harmful to the environment.
Losing jobs in the short term to protect the planet in the long term seems to be a sacrifice well worth making.
Think BIG. Think about the planet. Think about our kids.
Stop endangering species, stop dumping toxic waste, stop in the name of love!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:44 PM
"I will go to the 12/3 meet up"
bxgrl, you and MM and Amzi haven't come out drinking with us since Ellis. By my count, we've been to CHN and/or Bed Stuy THREE (3) times since then. So, 12/3 is a command performance . . . particularly if you want The Gingerbread House in your stocking.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:45 PM
500?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:45 PM
CarrollGardened:
I will take your comments (about the meet up) to heart and consider it. There are definitely some people I'd love to meet (you included) but there are a couple bad apples which make me hesitant.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:45 PM
Dammit! One post too early!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:45 PM
DIBS was 500 today, and with no fanfare no less. Official Biff-o-Meter?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:46 PM
The scientific consensus is that there is global warming.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:34 PM
POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 4:46 PM
11217, fear not! CobbleSnaps employs tough Pinkerton guards that will not let harm come your way :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:47 PM
Biff,
100% agree with you post at 4:44!!
And the inability for SO many Americans to "think big" as you say is the primary reason why there seems to be backlash against Obama right now. He IS thinking big...among a sea of many small minds.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 4:48 PM
"CGar, don't forget those Brownies."
m4l, see my 3:37 post in which I specifically discuss you AND your brownies! (And please tell "TITS" if she wants a brownie she has to show up at the 12/3 gathering.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:48 PM
Did you guys complain when Cheney made a fortune on his Halliburton investment?
Time, Inc:
Russert asked, "Were you involved in any way in the awarding of those contracts?" Cheney's reply: "Of course not, Tim ... And as Vice President, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the [Army] Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the Federal Government."
Cheney's relationship with Halliburton has been nothing but trouble since he left the company in 2000. Both he and the company say they have no ongoing connections. But TIME has obtained an internal Pentagon e-mail sent by an Army Corps of Engineers official—whose name was blacked out by the Pentagon—that raises questions about Cheney's arm's-length policy toward his old employer. Dated March 5, 2003, the e-mail says "action" on a multibillion-dollar Halliburton contract was "coordinated" with Cheney's office. The e-mail says Douglas Feith, a high-ranking Pentagon hawk, got the "authority to execute RIO," or Restore Iraqi Oil, from his boss, who is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. RIO is one of several large contracts the U.S. awarded to Halliburton last year.
The e-mail says Feith approved arrangements for the contract "contingent on informing WH [White House] tomorrow. We anticipate no issues since action has been coordinated w VP's [Vice President's] office." Three days later, the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton the contract, without seeking other bids. TIME located the e-mail among documents provided by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040607-644111,00.html#ixzz0W1YrxSOL
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 4:49 PM
"but there are a couple bad apples which make me hesitant."
we can just get drunk and beat them up.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 4:49 PM
"What is everyone doing to reduce his/her carbon footprint?"
- I've stopped using the air conditioning in my Hummer (major rewrite potential)
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 4:49 PM
Cargar, there will be tits at the gathering...don't worry :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:50 PM
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #
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Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 4:50 PM
HEY! I WANT AN ANSWER!
Is a blondie just a brownie made with white chocolate or is it something else?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:44 PM
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:50 PM
probably 5 times that many 'scientists' say that smoking hasn't been proven to cause cancer also. And who pays these scientists paychecks?
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:51 PM
lol, that should read "throw".
sorry, I'm ignorant some times
Posted by: Legion at November 5, 2009 4:52 PM
over 500 and not even 5 o'clock. No overtime pay for me today. basterds.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:52 PM
That's a little unfair bxgrl, no one was talking about Cheney.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 4:52 PM
Good grief (a la Charlie Brown). All this cutting and pasting is making my pea brain spin 'round and 'round in my head.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:52 PM
Oy vey with the post articles! Just post the damn link, if we want to read the crap we'll link through.
Anyone want to host a class in posting etiquette?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:53 PM
Fine Snappy, jeez...
It's a brownie for pussies.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:53 PM
Snappy,
In order to determine if its really a Blondie you have to make sure the chocolate chips match the batter.
Bordering on distasteful...
Posted by: Brokedeveloper at November 5, 2009 4:54 PM
blondie also cartoon strip and a rock singer.
Posted by: Petebklyn at November 5, 2009 4:54 PM
"I'd gladly give up the loss of this industry if the alternative is a dead planet uninhabitable by humans."
He shoots, he scores!!!
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:54 PM
Bordering on distasteful but ever so funny!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 5, 2009 4:55 PM
LOL THL! But is it white chocolate?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:55 PM
"12/3? only if everyone steers clear of politics and religion. lol."
Legion, you were at UHall, strictly PBRs and cocktails!
11217, hope you'll join us. And, remember, dirty_hipster will be there! ; )
11217, you have a gmail or Yahoo address you can post? If not, try me at CarrollGardened at gmail dot whatever (I think that's the gmail address I finally set up).
Legion, how about you? Do you have a gmail or Yahoo address? If not, email me. I wanted to invite you to join us for impromptu drinks but had no way to contact you.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 4:55 PM
Broke, but it's so much more fun when the curtains don't match the drapes :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:55 PM
How's this for impromptu...Cargar...let's go get margaritas!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 4:58 PM
""but there are a couple bad apples which make me hesitant."
we can just get drunk and beat them up."
Better than watching the bad apples get sauced.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 4:59 PM
Biff, you remain the king of corny lines! Hahahaha! That was good though!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 5:01 PM
"How's this for impromptu...Cargar...let's go get margaritas!"
My headache is dissipating - finally - so, yes, if we meet at Mezcal's on Atlantic this time.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:02 PM
Deal!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 5:03 PM
Are you two going out tonight to Mezcal's? I'll stop by on my way home to say hello.
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 5:04 PM
Something tells me I am not invited...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at November 5, 2009 5:04 PM
Seriously? What time! Should we make this an open invitation to everyone, or should we just keep it between ourselves?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:05 PM
I just emailed you CarollGardened...
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 5:06 PM
Cool...let's all go! Everyone is always invited. What time? I need time to clean up :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 5:08 PM
snaps- blondies are different.
legion- ok, I'll promise. mmm....mmmh....mwah HA HA HA HA HA
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 5:09 PM
"Are you two going out tonight to Mezcal's? I'll stop by on my way home to say hello."
Biff, apparently Mezcal's on Atlantic, as soon as Snappy confirms. Snaps, I can be there by 6:45.
11217, thanks, I'll check it when I get home . . . and let you know tomorrow if I screwed up my own email address, lol.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:10 PM
you guys put the P in PLUSA!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 5:10 PM
CarGar- like posting on the OT is private?
joe- awwwww. World's tiniest violin playing. :)
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 5:11 PM
CGar, OK. even if I cant stay long for that gathering, I'm showing up to collect on them brownies. Other than Tara and Kens, I'm not sharing any of them unless & until they ask & get my permission
Posted by: more4less at November 5, 2009 5:13 PM
oh G-d. Awful news of a shooting at Ft. Hood, Texas. 7 soldiers are dead,suspects are also military.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 5:15 PM
Snaps, I'll be there around 6:45. Take your 3rd shower du jour and hop on the bus. Biff, what time you stoppin' by? DH, you know we HATE drinking without you, so if you want to join us, club soda on me all night.
Anyone else wants to join us, we'll be at Mezcal's on Atlantic, between Clinton and Henry. If you miss us, after we've had 5 pitchers or so, we're going to head over to Cobble's High School reunion to tell "war stories".
(Cobble, please don't hurt me!) (Or kick me off the deck!)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:15 PM
testing testing
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 5:18 PM
"CarGar- like posting on the OT is private?"
bxgrl, did I really need to add the wink to that, lol? Did you see my post about your next "command performance", btw?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:18 PM
Phew! My laptop took a dirtnap for a minute there! I was afraid that was the end of my B'stoner posting days (buying a new mac while unemployed is NOT an option!)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 5:18 PM
F*cking Backman and her stinking teabaggers. They have a sign showing the dead piled up at Dachau, And it says "Nationalist Social Health Care, Dachau, Germany 1945."
These frigging assholes.Ignorant morons. Michelle Bachman= scum of the earth. I hope they all rot in hell.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 5:19 PM
>>First, NONE of them come out drinking with us;
Haha, that is so not true! CGAR, can you email me the details for the meeting? I would like to meet everyone, especially 11217!
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:22 PM
CGar, if I go, it's strictly to say hi and not have a drink (famous last words).
Awful news about that shooting. Have to check it out on cnn
Posted by: Biff Champion at November 5, 2009 5:22 PM
"CGAR, can you email me the details for the meeting?"
stevieb, everyone is invited, but you gotta promise to play nice.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:29 PM
">>First, NONE of them come out drinking with us;
Haha, that is so not true!"
stevieb, I just caught the first part of your post. Are you saying you've been out drinking with us? When? Where? And we know you as? (I feel like I'm playing "What's My Line".)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:30 PM
No can do cargar - but thanks for the invitation!
have so much more energy without booze and blunts in my life!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 5:31 PM
>>F*cking Backman and her stinking teabaggers. They have a sign showing the dead piled up at Dachau, And it says "Nationalist Social Health Care, Dachau, Germany 1945."
These frigging assholes.Ignorant morons. Michelle Bachman= scum of the earth. I hope they all rot in hell.
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NO, No, no. Bxgrl, you and the other Obamacans don't get it. There is another underlying issue here that is deeper. I am paraphasing David Einhorn here. People are angry because at some level, Americans understand that the washington-wall street "partnership" has rewarded the least deserving people and institutions at the expense of the prudent. They dont know the particulars or how to argue against the "without banks, we have no economy" demagogues. So, they fight healthcare reform, where they have enough personal experience to equip them to argue with congressmen at town hall meetings. The revolt over healthcare isn't really about healthcare, but represents a broader upset at Washington. The lack of trust over the inability to deal seriously with the people who are responsible for this mess feeds the lack of trust over healthcare.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:36 PM
CGAR, I will come out to meet everyone, but especially 11217 if invited.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:38 PM
>>A snob, pure and simple.
Posted by: 11217 at November 5, 2009 1:30 PM
ROTFLMFAO!
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:40 PM
no trolls plz
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 5:42 PM
I perfectly well get it stevieb. Don't even think of using that new agey bs on me. Anyone who lacks the cpacity to understand what that sign wasn't appropriate or see that it is highly offensive is hardly capable of assessing the state of health care, Washington, or anything else, let along place the blame squarely where it belongs- the previous administration. That's why the nutjobs like Bachmann have taken over. They care as much about fiscal responsibility as Hitler cared about peace on earth.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 5:43 PM
>>no trolls plz
no trolls here, just late to the party.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:44 PM
stevieb, c'mon, give it a rest.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:45 PM
Bxgrl, what I meant is Obama and the administration is not addressing or acknowledging that there is a deeper underlying issue here, which is the public resentment of the bailouts. Obama and co. thinks that all these guys are right wing nut jobs. Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, and Sarah Palin are trying their best to fan the flame of the public resentments and that could turn into a wild fire that destroys anything that is in its way. People who are angry do irrational things. Angry people were what made it possible for the likes of Hitler and Mussolini to rise to power. This is a dangerous time for the country and for the administration.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 5:51 PM
stevie, btw, I need your email address if you want me to email you details of the gathering
Posted by: CarrollGardened at November 5, 2009 5:51 PM
These assholes are beyond irrational. Frankly they should be arrested for treason and promoting terrorism. They aren't the only ones pissed about the bailout, but most of us in the country can see a bigger picture- No, this is about being whiney sore losers, the loss of power and sheer greed. And pure imbecility - as I said- if they haven't got the brain capacity to assess their message, they haven't got the brain capacity to understand it either. Most of those protesting in DC today have health insurance or medicare. How stupid do you have to be to not understand that the government provides medicare? Done. Said my piece and sticking by it.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 6:00 PM
Bxgrl, I agree with you that they are assholes. There are always right wing nutjobs out there. But what is different this time is they are also able to recruit new members from those who are also very angry at the washington-wall street partnership.
i dont think anyone wants to see an angry mob with pitchforks and torches gather outside of DIBS' house demanding his head be cut off. Sadly, I see us heading in that direction because Sarah palin and glenn beck are succeeding and the public wants blood.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 6:10 PM
stevie- understand something. These people are Republicans, conservatives. They aren't going after dibs- they're going after Democrats, moderates and liberals. Their demographic is white, middle to upper middle + class, and tellingly, not so well educated. In fact, they can't even figure out who they really are because successful financiers like dibs make them crazy. They play into the lowest common denominator. They're into fear, they are hypocrites and they have short memories. They aren't recruiting, they're playing to the nutjob constituents the Bush administration tried to make credible.
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 6:21 PM
CGAR, I emailed you.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 6:26 PM
stevie's just trolling. There really can't be someone who can't understand coherent arguments to the extent that he can't. I like a good argument but not when the other side plays the role of the fool so transparently.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 6:26 PM
agree dave. (I'm outside your house now with my torch and pitchfork).
Posted by: bxgrl at November 5, 2009 6:29 PM
>> There really can't be someone who can't understand coherent arguments to the extent that he can't.
lets hear them! And give the personal attacks and changing of topics a rest this time.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 6:30 PM
I'm on the sofa having a bottle of wine, bxgrl. Knock three times.....
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 6:33 PM
Go back and read them. They were presented not only by myself but others as well. You just can't seem to comprehend that when people bring in large amounts of revenue to an organization they should be paid above and beyond a normal base salary. That's the way the industry is structured. If more industries paid incentive compensatio like that maybe they'd be better off.
Goldman Sachs is the poster child for huge bonuses and it's the poster child for massive profits. Is it starting to click now????
You need to spell out for us which parts of that you can't get your brain around.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 6:38 PM
>>That's the way the industry is structured
The industry is structured to socialize losses and privatize gains. Where is the justice?
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 6:44 PM
I think you should go back to managing long only money at excelsior. You would not know what long short meant if it hit you over the head. Oh, that's right, you were forced out of US trust because you couldn't hack it.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 6:48 PM
LOL, stevie......I'm actually doing it though as opposed to you.
Forced out is a great way to put it....the package was mind bogglingly huge when they consolidated the mutual funds with Columbia.
LOL...all the way to the bank.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 8:03 PM
Japan market opening now stevie...no time to argue anymore as to who gets bonuses and why. Time to check in on my longs and shorts. OH,,,,I Forgot, I don't know what long/short means.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 8:08 PM
The justice should rest with the upper management who are responsible for the OVERALL profitability of the firm. You do not overlook those making money throughout the firm just because parts of the firm really fucked up. The pay czar should focus on the management, not the worker bees who are actually bringing in the honey.
I don't know what line of work you are in but it is very common in business for many of the underlings to make more than the CEO & Chairman because they are "producers." Without the producers, the business fails. This is why people at AIG still need to get paid...or they get poached away.
Dick Fuld, Ken Lewis, the guys at at the top C, JPM and MS need to police the problem areas of the businesses and I agree that, in the case where they still have TARP money, need to be supervised and answer to the government, until that TARP money is paid back. But when you've got an employee bringing in $25MM, $50MM, $100MM or $1B in revenues...you pay them or lose them.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 5, 2009 8:20 PM
>>I agree that, in the case where they still have TARP money, need to be supervised and answer to the government, until that TARP money is paid back.
Ah, this is the most reasonable thing I have heard from you so far.
>>But when you've got an employee bringing in $25MM, $50MM, $100MM or $1B in revenues...you pay them or lose them.
This is not the point. All these banks that ran up risk should have been allowed to fail in a controlled fashion by the government. The flip side of bailing out these banks is creating a huge moral hazard. So what if a few deserving people didn't get paid for a year? maybe they will be more careful with choosing their future employers going forward.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 9:48 PM
It's perfectly legal to advertise "no shares." It's also perfectly legal for any leaseholder to move in a roommate at any time, as well as a spouse and any children they have. The only restriction is total number of people per room, which varies depending on the overall number of rooms, but is generally two per room.
Posted by: mopar at November 5, 2009 9:50 PM
Thanks for the clarification Mopar!!
And you MUST try Vutera - I think you'd really like it. Gorgeous spot and still very much under the radar (most people don't know it exists!!)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at November 5, 2009 10:07 PM
>>OH,,,,I Forgot, I don't know what long/short means.
it was not meant to be an insult. I really think you are a perma bull and only know one way to make money. I don't think you can short yourself out of a paper bag. No disrespect.
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 10:08 PM
>>LOL, stevie......I'm actually doing it though as opposed to you.
oh yeah? how do u know i am not?
Posted by: stevieb at November 5, 2009 10:10 PM
Stevieb, shame on you! You left the lights on. Our electric bill is high enough already and I don't wanna have to name my next cat ConEd :-)
**click**
nite nite everybody :-p
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at November 5, 2009 11:21 PM
DH! g'night everybody!
Posted by: mopar at November 5, 2009 11:50 PM
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