'Nationally Known' Restaurants May Land in 345 Adams
A principal from Muss Development, the firm that's trying to lure classy retailers to Downtown's 345 Adams Street, said at yesterday's Brooklyn Real Estate Roundtable that negotiations are underway with two "nationally known" restaurants. One of the restaurants is eyeballing a 10,000-square-foot space, he said, while the other is looking at a 2,000-square-foot chunk. Guesses?
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64 Comments
By daveinbedstuy on November 11, 2009 9:32 AM
By Brokedeveloper on November 11, 2009 9:32 AM
Houston's? I could deal with that. Just please none of the TGIF, Applebees, etc. crowd.
By wasder on November 11, 2009 9:34 AM
Olive Garden/TGIF
By Butterfly on November 11, 2009 9:35 AM
the psychic part of my brain is screaming BOSTON MARKET!!! and im okay with that.
*rob*
By Shoots and Leaves on November 11, 2009 9:35 AM
They have run this story so many times. My guess is The Cheese Cake Factory since that name has been dropped in the past. I'd love to see it happen, but I just don't see how they make it work unless Muss is going in as partners. For the 2,000 SF, perhaps Five Guys.
By BH76 on November 11, 2009 9:37 AM
why the map of St. Louis??????
By daveinbedstuy on November 11, 2009 9:38 AM
Juniors, with the mouse.
By Petebklyn on November 11, 2009 9:39 AM
Boston Market seems like a chain fading away. I've never been to a CheeseCake Factory but I did see one in Ft Laud last week on Las Olas which is their upscale shopping street downtown. So that seems good guess.
By fsrg on November 11, 2009 9:39 AM
5 guys are definitely seeking space all around the metro area.
Sorry Rob - Boston Market is near bankrupcy, your going to have to go for KFCs grilled chicken!
I think 10K sq ft is actually too small for cheesecake factory.
By Brownstones Half Off on November 11, 2009 9:40 AM
Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles
Hooters
***Bid half off peak comps***
By Maly on November 11, 2009 9:40 AM
Hopefully not a teen hangout like Buffalo Wings.
By chrishavens on November 11, 2009 9:40 AM
Not Cheesecake, not in the market. Nothing like these tacky guesses. going to be at a higher level fer sure......
By Butterfly on November 11, 2009 9:41 AM
quote:
Sorry Rob - Boston Market is near bankrupcy, your going to have to go for KFCs grilled chicken!
:(
how about a chuck e. cheese to keep all the chirruns and the child-centric adults in one place and out of adult restaurants so people can actually enjoy their meals without the sound of screaming babies and visuals of boobyfeedings?
*rob*
By Brownstones Half Off on November 11, 2009 9:41 AM
Love the GMAP image!
***Bid half off peak comps***
By Butterfly on November 11, 2009 9:42 AM
no..
HOOTERS HOOTERS HOOTERS!!!! brooklyn needs a hooters lol
i know it's cheesy but i love hooters... the one in midtown anyway. i seriously think they have some kind of affirmative action thing going on to hire ugly chicks with literally no hooters. but the girls in there are SO nice (i had two my birthdays there hahah)
*rob*
By Butterfly on November 11, 2009 9:44 AM
quote:
Nothing like these tacky guesses
snob
*rob*
By Shoots and Leaves on November 11, 2009 9:44 AM
If TGIF went out 5 years ago, why would they take another crack at it now?
By East New York on November 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Olive Garden. Yeech.
By Shoots and Leaves on November 11, 2009 9:47 AM
Chris,
At one point Morton's and Buffalo Wild Wings weren't in this market. There's a first for everything.
By bitter_bubble_buyer on November 11, 2009 9:48 AM
the Hooters in midtown has the ugliest girls I have even seen working at a hooters!
By fsrg on November 11, 2009 9:50 AM
chrishavens - I wouldnt count on it - Retail is DYING right now and LLs are desperate. While I know what Muss would like to do; the reality is that something on the southside of Mortons (which really is not that high end anyway) is almost assured.
Essentially, if they go with an Applebees level, it is a guaranteed hit (see Dallas BBQ, IHOP, Applebees on Flatbush, etc....), so in keeping with the prominent location Muss may push the envelope a bit classier, but there is no way IMHO that he is going to hold out for something too high-end - besides other than steakhouses how many "high-end" chains are their?
Best I see is maybe a Legal Seafood
By FtGreeneCorey on November 11, 2009 9:50 AM
Houston's please....
By fsrg on November 11, 2009 9:51 AM
Buffalo Wild Wings = best sports bar and best wings around!
But doesnt seem like the right location here
By Brenda from Flatbush on November 11, 2009 9:55 AM
Rob, you really do have a heart of gold to see the midtown Hooters girls as part of an "affirmative action" program for the cosmetically (and mammarily)challenged!
By WBer on November 11, 2009 9:59 AM
What, no Apple Store?
By johnife on November 11, 2009 10:00 AM
Oh, PLEASE let it be a Red Lobster!
By tybur6 on November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
Oh. What's that one with the stupid name... Spaghetti Grill House or whatever.
By Sparafucile on November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
I'd love to see a Golden Corral or one of those other All You Can Eat buffets. That place is hard to beat on a calories per dollar basis.
By tybur6 on November 11, 2009 10:03 AM
And that's a map of Brooklyn, IL -- not St. Louis.
By BH76 on November 11, 2009 10:04 AM
Morton's may not be high-end but it is easily $100 for (a mediocre)dinner(for one).
By bklynbpr on November 11, 2009 10:05 AM
mccormick & shmick's? maggiano's?
By THAL on November 11, 2009 10:09 AM
Does anyone know how that Mortons is doing? I have never stopped in but curious if there is a crowd there on weeknights or weekends.
By Arkady on November 11, 2009 10:12 AM
Rob - There's a Chuckie Cheese in Atlantic Ctr. Wanna go?
By fsrg on November 11, 2009 10:12 AM
THAL - I dont know for sure but on observation, it seems they do a very good bar business - drinks and the bar/lunch menu - which is considerably cheaper than the "regular" Mortons menu. In terms of people getting the full $100+ meal, the tables look a little thin to me.
By dieselfuel222 on November 11, 2009 10:13 AM
as long as their are no obnoxious yuppy parents and their screaming rugrats to have to listen to i am good.
By A CrownHeightsLady on November 11, 2009 10:30 AM
Please no fast food joints! Houstons or maybe an Olive Garden. But for God sake no Red Lobster, no fast food, no Applebee's, no Chile's... etc etc etc.
By Butterfly on November 11, 2009 10:35 AM
quote:
Rob - There's a Chuckie Cheese in Atlantic Ctr. Wanna go?
only if i get to dive into the big vat of balls!!!
*rob*
By bowl of dicks on November 11, 2009 10:49 AM
"Oh. What's that one with the stupid name... Spaghetti Grill House or whatever."
Spaghetti Warehouse
"I'd love to see a Golden Corral or one of those other All You Can Eat buffets. That place is hard to beat on a calories per dollar basis."
Old Country Buffet
Personally, I would like to see a Cracker Barrel.
By crank on November 11, 2009 10:55 AM
johnife hit it on the head. Red Lobster would kick ass there.
By martis on November 11, 2009 11:21 AM
Paddy's Pub?
By Grumpy on November 11, 2009 11:22 AM
Ruth Chris and Cracker Barrel or Crapper Barrel as my wife calls it.
By Architerrorist on November 11, 2009 11:25 AM
I vote with Ruths Chris. Unfortunately.
By DitmasSnark on November 11, 2009 11:30 AM
> Spaghetti Grill House or whatever
Macaroni Grill?
This name always confused me because I've never seen grilled macaroni.
By DitmasSnark on November 11, 2009 11:31 AM
> only if i get to dive into the big vat of balls!!!
I thought you'd gone celibate.
By cggirl on November 11, 2009 11:32 AM
Oh I hope it's something good. Some place romantic. I met my husband when we both worked in this building.
Alas it will probably be a Legal Seafood or some other over priced chain.
By fsrg on November 11, 2009 11:36 AM
Ruth Chris - next door to a Mortons - not likely
By Grumpy on November 11, 2009 11:48 AM
There are plenty of Burger Kings near McDonalds. How about a Blarney Whatever, they used to be all over the place with the steam tables and pastrami and corned beef piled high. I guess the wouldn't fly in New Brooklyn, maybe with grass fed cows and artisinal rye bread....
By mimi on November 11, 2009 11:58 AM
Yes, a Blarney Stone. I saw one in Times Square last week, didn't know they were still in business.
By Minard Lafever on November 11, 2009 11:58 AM
My money is on a Steakhouse chain. It would do great business there. The pols and lawyers need a place to eat red meat and conspire.
By BrooklynLove on November 11, 2009 12:33 PM
ruby tuesday makes sense in this location for numerous reasons. anything more pricey doesn't seem right here for a national chain.
By Grumpy on November 11, 2009 12:58 PM
You saw a Blarney Stone but did you eat there?
By InsertSnappyNameHere on November 11, 2009 1:02 PM
LONG JOHN SILVER'S!!!
By cillmylandlord_again on November 11, 2009 1:08 PM
Olive Garden & Red Lobster are the same company...
By bklynite on November 11, 2009 1:20 PM
au bon pain.
By tybur6 on November 11, 2009 1:34 PM
Oooh. I like Ruby Tuesdays. Unlimited French Fries!
By A CrownHeightsLady on November 11, 2009 2:16 PM
Ruby Tuesdays....PERFECT!
By BH76 on November 11, 2009 2:29 PM
au bon pain is crappy -- and in MT just down the block. Most likely a crappy chain like Olive Garden or Red Lobster -- for the folks at the Marriott who need the comfort of home and all the back-office workers at MT adn the courts.
By gothamlawyer on November 11, 2009 2:30 PM
After having just undergone a week long road trip through America where they ain't got mom and pop restaurants I'd have to vote for Carabba's if we have to endure another "nationally known" restaurant in downtown.
By DitmasSnark on November 11, 2009 2:39 PM
Bob's Big Boy.
By denton on November 11, 2009 3:16 PM
boy for a bunch of Brooklynites you sure do know every crappy chain in the country!
Forgot Denny's tho. Bet that would do great if they didn't run any of their famous 'blackouts' but Muss is probably are looking for something more upscale.
By rf on November 11, 2009 3:39 PM
quote:
Rob - There's a Chuckie Cheese in Atlantic Ctr. Wanna go?
only if i get to dive into the big vat of balls!!!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at November 11, 2009 10:35 AM
Rob,
The original ball pit is at Ikea. But you need someone posing as your mom to sign you in.
By albemarle on November 11, 2009 9:58 PM
An awful lot of P.F. Changs have been planting their flags in cities I've been to lately - Boston, Seattle, perhaps downtown Brooklyn is next?
By VHR on November 11, 2009 10:29 PM
You all have me rolling with laughter. I used to work in downtown Brooklyn and I could see a Red Lobster or the like down there. In middle America, a fancy chain restaurant is Bahama Breeze. No one mentioned Outback Steakhouse.
By g man on November 12, 2009 9:04 AM
Rob, Chris isn't being a snob when he writes, "Nothing like these tacky guesses. going to be at a higher level fer sure...." His comment reflects, not that we have conferred about this, the desire of Muss Development to offer restaurant choices "appropriate" to the guests at the Marriott. I use that word, and in quotes, to indicate that it doesn't necessarily have to be an upscale eatery, but one at least perceived as such by hotel guests who may come from places with fewer options.
I don't go to steak joints so I don't have an opinion on how nice Morton's is, compared to Lugers (non-chain) or Ruth Chris (different chain). But I think it is perceived as a dependable, urban steakhouse. I remember 25 years ago when Legal Seafood was a big deal, a must stop on a trip to Boston. You can find any number of better fish restaurants now but the Legal Seafood brand still resonates. And let's not kid ourselves, brownstoner readers may want to rush to that new, still-undiscovered frogs leg hut on the Sunset Park waterfront, but most Amerikans like the predictability of a chain.
PF Changs is categorically a good guess. Legal Seafood. But forget places like Olive Garden, Red Lobster--yeah, they would probably be very profitable but the hotel guests can go to places like that at the mall back home. If Muss can land something first rate, "River Cafe, Upland Edition," it will. Otherwise, my prediction is a chain that has some cachet, even if the reputation is undeserved, at least by New York standards.
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