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November 6, 2009

Affordable Housing on Tap

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1509-Bergen-Street-1109.jpgIt may seem like there's not any affordable housing available, but, reports The Brooklyn Eagle, there are 700 units currently up for grabs through one non-profit development company alone in Brooklyn. The Housing Partnership Development Corp. which has created 30,000 units of affordable housing over its 25-year history, is currently offering "moderate-income" apartments at the newly-developed Bergen Street Co-ops at 1509 Bergen Street in Crown Heights (at right). The Partnership is also involved in other projects like 320 Sterling Street, which is about three-quarters done, and Atlantic Terrace next to the Atlantic Center (at top), which just started making applications available.
700 Affordable Homes, Apartments in B'klyn Now Available [Brooklyn Eagle]




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Rob, there's your chance to get out of yucky gentrified P.S. and own!

Posted by: BSD at November 6, 2009 10:15 AM

might be hard to find a place to buy a 40 and a fresh baked muffin at 1 in the morning over there.

Posted by: Santa at November 6, 2009 10:19 AM

I take issue with these places -- and it makes me want to jump on the "Maybe it's better to rent" bandwagon. (Though, I'm already on it personally... just not actively cheering.)

My issue is with the formulas they use -- basically the income maximum to purchase price ratio!

The Bergen Street co-ops (from what I can glean... there's not clear information) requires family incomes over $54k but under $75k and the purchase prices vary between $180 to $350. And, of course, there are maintenance fees... though probably fairly reasonable since it's new construction (but there's still landscaping etc.)

I just see these "moderate income" and "affordable" housing schemes as making sure the residents are living on the edge. Sure, your expenses go down over time relative to cost-of-living/wages, but that takes a long time to get to that tipping point. There is not "forced savings" at the beginning of a amortization schedule and these "affordable" properties are loaded with resale restrictions suppressing the resale prices. It says you can buy a place with an income over $75k, but at the "unsubsidized" rate which -- I'm sure -- adds at least a couple hundred thousand to the price.

These places just seem nice on paper... but I find it hard to think the reality is the same things.

What if the government subsidized *rental* properties instead? Just strikes me as a better use of our tax-payers money... private multi-unit property owners that are subject to "rent control" (but closer to market rates) -- but receive a subsidy to make up for the low rent (and avoid the ills of rent control -- e.g., not being able to afford to maintain your property.) This is just a thought... not well thought out. However, I see this forced house-poor structure of the "affordable" housing as fundamentally flawed.

I know I couldn't afford a $250,000 house (plus monthly maintenance) making $60k in this city.

Posted by: tybur6 at November 6, 2009 10:22 AM

cant find the application online? anybody have a link?

Posted by: BrooklynZoo at November 6, 2009 10:46 AM

^^ the city already does that. People call those places the projects.

Posted by: Santa at November 6, 2009 10:59 AM

Found Bergen Street:
http://www.nhsnyc.org/content/buy/1509bergen.html

Spoke to the Fifth Avenue Committee this morning and those apps are not quite available yet. They want interested applicants to send in a self addressed envelope or go in and sign up in person for a notification.

We're interested because right now I'm only working part-time because I'm mostly home with our baby. So we qualify as of now and then when I go back full-time I guess we'll have to pay extra? Not sure how it works.

Posted by: liexpat at November 6, 2009 11:01 AM

^^^ Fifth Avenue Committee is for Atlantic Terrace

Posted by: liexpat at November 6, 2009 11:02 AM


"I just see these "moderate income" and "affordable" housing schemes as making sure the residents are living on the edge."

That doesn't even make sense. If you can't afford it, don't buy there! There are other, less expensive neighborhoods in Brooklyn in which you can buy a home, just that many are outside the brownstone belt (Canarsie, Coney Island, Flatlands, Flatbush, to name a few). What nonsense.

Posted by: East New York at November 6, 2009 12:48 PM

ENY -- Did you even read my whole post? Or did you just read that sentence... it's about the REQUIRED ratio of income to unit price. This is not the free market. These housing schemes require the buyer to have a certain level of income... no more, no less.

Posted by: tybur6 at November 6, 2009 12:55 PM


"it's about the REQUIRED ratio of income to unit price. These housing schemes require the buyer to have a certain level of income... no more, no less."

Yeah, so? Again, I say don't buy there! Look, I understand that you don't like the income parameters because public money is involved, but to say that the restrictions "make sure residents live on the edge" is ridiculous. It's as much a responsibility of the resident to determine if they can afford to live here as anywhere else. If you don't like this non-free-market deal, you can go into the ACTUAL free market and find some place affordable. My point is there are options and no one is being "forced" to do anything.

Posted by: East New York at November 6, 2009 1:16 PM


Oh gawd ENY... it's not "forced" in terms of forced to buy here. It's forced in terms of the income restriction to purchase price ratio *forces* the owner to use a dangerously large portion of their income to live there.

It strikes me as strange that a gov't program is DESIGNED to create a situation where making the monthly payments is a risky situation. The ratio means that you can't save very much and thus not create a buffer if something bad were to happen (like lose your income temporarily).

This is what I mean by forced. Not you live here or we kill you. Forced to live on the edge fiscally... It creates an opportunity to buy, but not the opportunity for stability (at least not for years and years) My point is that this option is NOT "affordable" -- and WE are paying for it. WE are paying for an "affordable option" that doesn't actually improve the lives of those that take the option!

Posted by: tybur6 at November 6, 2009 1:29 PM


Suppose we wait until someone buys there and if we begin to see a lot of foreclosure, abandonment, etc. I guess your point would be accurate. But it's not at all proven that the purchase price relative to the income requirements won't work, even if that's your personal opinion based on your calculations.

Posted by: East New York at November 6, 2009 1:59 PM

the income ratios are always absurd. ty is spot on. even for affordable rentals. seriously, they always put you edging out into spending like 60 percent of your income on rent (talking about the rentals btw). these affordable programs are all fluff anyway, they only benefit the developers and the lucky few who have 'connections'. trust me trust me trust me trust me trust me, ALL subsidized buying programs are fraught with connections and fraud.

trust me.

i really do know, but ill never say why i know, tho i probably have in the past.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at November 6, 2009 3:55 PM

Let's be honest here. If you have an annual salary of 75k, saved your money and have no credit debt, you can well afford one of these affordables.

Posted by: vw at November 6, 2009 4:44 PM

I meant "no credit card debt."

Posted by: vw at November 6, 2009 4:58 PM

yeah but who the f*ck living in nyc who makes 75K has any money saved and or no credit card debt? let's be real.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at November 6, 2009 6:14 PM

Rob. Lots of people earning this amount per year and less have been financially prudent. It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: vw at November 10, 2009 1:01 PM

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