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October 27, 2009
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Police Cite 7,500 Drivers for Cellphone Use [NY Times]
A New Clubhouse for Dems on Putnam [NY Times]
Sex Scandal & Lawsuit at Poly Prep [NY Daily News]
First Acorn, Now Working Families Under Attack [NY Post]
413 7th Ave Sells for $1.48 Million [Brooklyn Eagle]
Teen Shot in Front of Brownsville School [NY1]
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Forgive me if I seem dense, but it a good thing or a bad thing that mixed use building way down Seventh Avenue sold for over a million dollars?
Is this supposed to be considered an incredibly low sale price?
I assume it's all rental so the total income may not be that high.
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at October 27, 2009 8:43 AM
BG, at $274 psf, it sounds like that building has problems.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 27, 2009 8:47 AM
Acorn and Working Families "under attack"? A bit slanted of course. Maybe "being exposed" is more suitable.
Posted by: BSD at October 27, 2009 8:56 AM
Mr. B...what happened to the COTD thread from yesterday? I went to catch up on it last night and it was gone!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at October 27, 2009 8:57 AM
Yea BSD, and its the Working Families Party, which many think is a clever misnomer, is what is being involved in a lawsuit, not working families. Its working families that have to bear the brunt of the WFP lobbying successes.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 27, 2009 9:07 AM
there goes the kneejerk rightwing spinsters.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 9:16 AM
as opposed to the plain jerks eh?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 27, 2009 9:17 AM
Sounds communist to me.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 27, 2009 9:18 AM
Working Families Party shares an office with ACORN in Brooklyn.
ACORN has been exposed for widespread voter fraud throughout the United States.
Do you think the people sharing the same office might be sharing information and tactics and ideological perspectives as far as voter registration is concerned?
These outfits will continue to be exposed for undermining the legitimate voter process, it's as simple as that.
As a nation we should have ZERO tolerance for these type of third world tactics.
And before you call me a reactionary, I would say the same if the conservative or republican party were up to these sorts of tricks.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 10:37 AM
The WFP is nothing more than a shell organization designed to allow the civil-service unions to circumvent NYC campaign finance laws, i.e. shovel more money to their preferred candidates.
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 10:48 AM
I rest my case.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 10:51 AM
Pete;
Well, if this case is nothing more than right-wing bile, then the WFP should have nothing to fear from a little light thrown on it, shouldn't it?? We shall see.....
;-)
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 10:59 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression
for a look at the other side of the issue. Most interesting is the section on the 2008 election, pete.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 11:00 AM
Pete;
One more thing...
If you read the Post article, you will note that the politician who is suing them is a Democrat.
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 11:00 AM
That poor kid - what a tragedy. Teens killing teens, no one does a damn thing to stop it. No one seems to care.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 27, 2009 11:12 AM
I don't see in the article who is suing....only charge that a 'republican operative'....
And from article I don't even see what suing about...I can only infer suing for information to see how two orgs. might have some ties.
I don't follow WFP - but what is big deal if people form 3rd parties. If don't agree with their candidates or platform don't vote for them.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 11:15 AM
IJ- people do care- but how do you stop it? Especially when it is so easy to get guns (heaven forbid the NRA should make it more difficult), and our culture seems to make violence look so easy too. A psychologist once told me that video games and movies give violence an air of unreality. Some of the kids really think all they have to do is hit the rest button. the fantasy and the reality have fused.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 11:20 AM
Pete;
I agree with you about 3rd parties. My problem with the WFP is that they are not a party at all. As I mentioned above, I believe it is just a shell organizationdesigned to funnel money are resources to candidates that are backed by the civil-service unions.
If we were talking about the Green Party, for instance, I would agree with you. Though I don't agree with their philosophy, I consider them to be a legitimate 3rd party. Not so the WFP,as I hope that this lawsuit will bring out.
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 11:20 AM
pete,
If it helps you sleep at night. we are all deranged, right-wing loons who have lost the ability to reason and formulate an opinion based on fact and experience.
...If however, you are interested in exposing fraud left and right. you will read the details objectively and realize that some organizations are actually prone to play the system and circumvent voter laws.
"resting your case" is really just another way of allowing your subconscious/ego to overrule your superego or thinking brain. It is a intellectually dishonest.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 11:26 AM
"we are all deranged, right-wing loons who have lost the ability to reason and formulate an opinion based on fact and experience."
Legion;
I thought that was a given.
;-)
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 11:28 AM
legion- finally you admit it! :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 11:31 AM
"ACORN has been exposed for widespread voter fraud throughout the United States." - is what I refer to as right wing spin. There has been no 'exposure' of voter fraud.... sloppy and unethical submission of registrations by employees. But voting no. From what I read they hire a lot of people who are trying to make a few bucks who really need money and are driven more by that than some politcal or philosophical agenda (unlike the NYPost, etc). Wrongly these employees to make money or circumvent what they are supposed to be doing fill in signatures or get anyone to sign these voter registration cards. Sloppy management, oversight, whatever yes. But to spin it as people are going into voting booths illegitamately to swing election in bunk and conspiracy theory gone amok.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 11:43 AM
pete;
ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud
POSTED: 5:02 pm CST November 1, 2006
UPDATED: 10:25 pm CST November 1, 2006
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.
Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a group that works to improve minority and low-income communities.
The four indicted -- Kwaim A. Stenson, Dale D. Franklin, Stephanie L. Davis and Brian Gardner -- were employed by ACORN as registration recruiters. They were each charged with two counts.
Federal indictments allege the four turned in false voter registration applications. Prosecutors said the indictments are part of a national investigation.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 11:48 AM
pete, here's another case;
By Matthew Vadum on 6.4.09 @ 7:12PM
Darnell Nash, a voter in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, has been indicted by a grand jury for, among other things, illegal voting.
Nash was registered to vote by ACORN.
Ryan Miday, spokesman for Cuyahoga County, Ohio Prosecutor Bill Mason, a Democrat, just spoke with me.
Miday said an "investigation is continuing into activities by ACORN. Darnell Nash is the first we've charged in this ongoing investigation."
"ACORN workers approached him to fill out voter registration cards and he did so on nine different occasions using different names and addresses, then he actually registered and voted on Sept. 30 and voted with a different address and the address was an address here in the Cleveland area in a suburb called Shaker Heights."
Miday said that the Shaker Heights address is important because the person who actually lives there alerted the authorities after multiple registration acknowledgement documents came in the mail. Nash's vote was then flagged and Nash came to the attention of the board of elections. It held an administrative board hearing and summoned Nash to appear but he failed to show up for the hearing.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 11:52 AM
bxgrl,
are you a lawyer by any chance? lol
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 11:54 AM
No, more of a gnat (I would have said wasp but I am of the Hebraic persuasion) :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 12:00 PM
That effing wonderful that the police have ticketed 7,500 people for cellpone use. Freaking wonderful.
What about driving 60mph in a 30mph zone? Dangerous Lane Changing? Turning right from the left lane? Honking incessantly from position 5 at a light? Running red light? Running stop signs?
I'd like to see a "crackdown" on this dangerous driving. None of the above seem to require a cellphone and seem to be far more dangerous. Fucking police. Glad we have our priorities straight.
Posted by: tybur6 at October 27, 2009 12:02 PM
(OK - the honking isn't 'dangerous' - just annoying as hell)
Posted by: tybur6 at October 27, 2009 12:02 PM
benson,
true, no wonder I get so much candy on halloween. my looney tunes costume is a hit on that one day of the year.
;)
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 12:06 PM
"What about driving 60mph in a 30mph zone? Dangerous Lane Changing? "
Too right. I have no love for cellphone-distracted drivers but really, traffic enforcement in NYC is invisible. Unless you happen to park in the wrong place of course.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 27, 2009 12:18 PM
your 1st example is exactly what I said ---voter registration cards done improperly by people employed and not following rules - probably in attempt to make extra money or too lazy to do what supposed to do. Your 2nd is not an Acorn person...but perhaps someone who committed voter fraud and filled out a registration form that was handed in by Acorn registration person. So you're making ACORN responsible that people that fill out these forms are telling truth. Again, spinning rightwing conspiracy theory.
Trying to make much ado about nothing, mountain out of a molehill.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 12:22 PM
Ditto -- I just wrote NYPD Commissioner Kelly. Everything in the city gov't is by numbers. The more "traffic control" type complaints they get, the higher it makes it in the priority list.
You should write him too. http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
This is what I wrote:
While I think it is interesting to read in the NY Times about the NYPD's "crackdown" on cellphone use while driving... I am concerned about your priorities.
Cellphone use or distracted driving in general may be a problem, but what I see on the streets of Brooklyn everyday is FAR MORE DANGEROUS.
What about driving 60mph in a 30mph zone? Dangerous Lane Changing? Turning right from the left lane? Running red light? Running stop signs? Driving and parking in bike lanes? Double-parking, in general?
THIS is the behavior that needs to be modified and made a priority. I've seen 2 cars pulled over in my 3 yrs in NYC. Why is that the case given the sheer quantity of traffic violations?!
Posted by: tybur6 at October 27, 2009 12:29 PM
Tybur;
You are really not doing too well in your quest for a new 'Stoner persona,I must say. With respect to cars, your sole objective should be to ban all of them from NYC. Please practice on this point.
Posted by: benson at October 27, 2009 12:41 PM
pete, here's one from the NYTimes.
at some point, you have to go by the old adage, where's there's smoke there's fire.
By STEVE FRIESS
Published: May 5, 2009
LAS VEGAS — A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism from Republicans during last year’s presidential race was charged by Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
Two former leaders of the group’s Nevada branch were also charged in connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter registration forms.
The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5 for registering more than 21.
Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms, Secretary of State Ross Miller said.
Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who voted in November, according to data provided by Mr. Miller’s office.
Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon characters
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 12:55 PM
Benson... but I have car. And I think I've failed at my new 'Stoner persona anyway. I might just have to go back to being a regular ol' stoner.
Posted by: tybur6 at October 27, 2009 12:55 PM
1.)A couple of people indicted for voter fraud, the first example given, citing 2 incidences each, hardly constitutes mass fraud. 2) Indicted is not convicted. No one has been proved to have done anything. Remember that innocence until proven guilty caveat? 3)Registering people, even fraudulently, doesn't mean that they get to vote. Voting is what counts, not just signing up. Desperately poor people registering Porky Pig and their dead relatives, in order to make some bucks, does not massive voter fraud make. As Pete said, much ado about nothing.
I'd like to see the huge outcry of outrage over all of the people legally and duly registered, often for years, who were not allowed to vote due to absurd, draconian, and massively illegal, Jim Crow era tactics of asking obscure civics questions, or for forms of id never asked for before. Funny how almost ALL of these tactics took place in minority districts which had a traditional Democratic voting base. That is more of a subversion of the American reverence for democracy and the vote that some schlub making $20 by registering Darth Vader in Nevada.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 27, 2009 2:24 PM
"I've seen 2 cars pulled over in my 3 yrs in NYC."
Ty, you need to get out more.
I don't know what the beef is. Cell phone usage by drivers is dangerous. All the statistics are showing that. It's also easier to prove cell phone usage than speeding, which requires equipment and training.
I just heard from a kid I know in Bushwick. He had me rolling... he got a ticket for driving and talking. Of course he never answered it. Got pulled over again for driving and talking, and since he never paid the first one, he had a warrant and a suspended license. Got arrested on the spot. When his effects were searched either at the precinct or night court, in his wallet they found... yup, the first ticket.
Posted by: denton at October 27, 2009 2:56 PM
MM,
At some point, the overwhelming weight of evidence must be acknowledged. Not even poverty is an excuse. Read on please.
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.
2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 3:13 PM
Worth reposting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression.
Legion- what's your take on the reports of republican tactics in the last election? I think those were just as despicable, maybe more so because they tried to disenfranchise voters based on party affiliation.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 3:45 PM
bxgrl,
I have no doubt that various unsrupulous GOP party affiliates have participated in undermining tactics and if there is evidence of widespread fraud, by all means, expose it.
My voter fraud comments ,thus far, have been directed at ACORN/WFP because they are the ones being questioned in this regard, repeatedly over the past few years.
That being said, I am a big supporter of a national ID card, if only for the sake of national security. Arguments of right to privacy, are moot to me because, as I've stated in the past; privacy is an illusion in this computer age where every cellphone has a camera and every camera is connected to the internet. Wait until the already mandated Electronic Medical Record becomes an everyday reality.
If everyone has a national ID, we can account for everyone's vote and the possibility of fraud declines in direct proportion to the power of the numbers crunching supercomputer that will tally the vote.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 4:14 PM
Legion- true. Privacy is a fallacy these days- Orwell may have been off by a few years, but he is certainly right.I wonder how many of us really understand exactly what being on the internet means? Somehow I don't think so.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 27, 2009 4:23 PM
Legion, if someone, including an ACORN worker, is convicted of voter fraud, then the job is done, and the system works. Until then, I see a long list of alleged offenses, some backed up with dubious observations taken as gospel "I think it's safe to say forgery was widespread". REALLY? Most of the cases you cite say that the fraudulent voter forms were discovered in the follow-up process that all voting districts follow, and the bogus entries were caught, and discarded. Therefore, there is no real "voter fraud", as no one unqualified actually was able to cast votes and skew the results of an election.
Of course, I am not advocating that all of this mischief is correct, and doesn't waste time and money better spent elsewhere. It's wrong, and should be stopped. BUT, to act as if this is akin to ballot stuffing, or a page out of a Middle Eastern election book, is making a mountain out of a molehill. I'd like to see the same hue and cry made over my above mentioned Jim Crow tactics.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 27, 2009 4:29 PM
still Legion, the charges are not voter fraud (except for one individual case)...it is registration. Those forms are available in many places and anyone can fill in any bogus info they want but that does not mean they become registered or vote under a false registration. These employees to receive pay seem to be getting anyone to fill them out or filling out themselves because the submissions are what get them the $$$. Yes, should be better supervised but it is not some effort to get illegal votes.
what really is the issue is that republican/conservatives do better with low turnout and lower participation rates in elections and so any effort to recruit more voters especially in poor and minority areas is met with resistance and barriers and now hostility by rightwing groups and FOX. Their effort is too actively mitigate participation while ACORN and others are trying to increase it. Yes for their own reasons which are directly opposite to conservatives. But nonetheless greater participation in voting, representative democracy is good thing so I applaud the effort. Should be done better, yes, But there is a real effort to discredit any group, drive that will increase participation because the rightwing knows will not help their side in the voting booth.
This whole ACORN issue is 95% spin. 5% substance.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 27, 2009 7:54 PM
MM and Pete,
Reading through the list, you will find that there were no less than 3 convictions and two admissions of guilt, the rest consisted of indictments which indicate enough evidence for a grand jury and prosecutor to consider illegal. It's not my fault justice is slow, give it a couple of years and then see how many of those indictments turn to convictions, my guess would be at least half.
You will also notice that the list spans the entire nation, adding credence to my claim of widespread voter fraud and a pattern of election related illegality. How much evidence can you read through before you admit to yourself that there may be something to this claim? You know for a fact, that if this was a list of allegations against some Rush Limbaugh PAC, you would conclude that the PAC was rife with a systematic/institutional fraud. Be honest with yourselves. If this was a list of "accusations" against your neighbor for instances of say racism, you would not be trusting your neighbor.
Next, Pete suggests that voter "suppression" leads to better results for Democrats. First off, I do not consider asking someone to produce a valid ID, to be suppression. If you cannot get your life together enough to have a valid ID or some proof of residence/citizenship, why should you have a vote? Sorry, but you have to set the bar at some level. We ask people to produce an ID to ride a plane or to enter a bar or to see a doctor, why is it too much to ask for an ID to vote for goodness sakes?
Second, a recent Pew or Zogby poll revealed that an overwhelmingly larger percentage of Americans identified themselves as conservatives as opposed to liberals (40% vs. 20% across all 50 states), why would conservatives need to suppress anyone to do well? Remember that famous map from 2006 which showed the entire country awash in red with only three small areas of blue in LA, Chicago and NYC, that was the vote broken down by county. The Zogby poll reveals what everyone already knows, the 40% undecided are the ones determining the result. It is patently impossible to suppress the undecided because they are not identified as a single voter block, independents, unaffiliated, democrats, republicans or first time voters.
Finally, the implication that Republicans are attempting to mitigate the increased participation by minorities is false. We just don't believe in pandering to groups just to get the vote. You may be surprised to learn that there are many, many republican african americans, hispanic americans, asian americans and women to mention a few groups. I myself am hispanic and can honestly say that nobody in my family has ever been "suppressed" or "harassed" or blocked from voting in any way. Then again, we always followed the simple rules for voting and we never voted more than once in any election.
Posted by: Legion at October 27, 2009 9:25 PM

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