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October 2, 2009
The Venetian Unveiled

We took a look at The Venetian, Gravesend's attempt at classical opulence, last year when it was still in the throes of construction. A reader just sent in this photo with the news that all the scaffolding and other construction paraphernalia had recently been removed. Honestly, we're not entirely sure what to make of it. We had been assuming it would be entirely mock-worthy but it looks a lot better in reality than we had expected. We don't care much for the roof or those rounded upper corners but the lower floors actually look decent. Plus, judging from the renderings, the interiors are also not as garish as we would have thought. Of course, the whole thing rides on the choice of materials, which is hard to judge without being up close. We've got no idea about sales status, though last year Gowanus Lounge reported that condos there were asking $1 to $4 million. What do you think?
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Posted by: Petebklyn at October 2, 2009 10:04 AM
It looks like something in bangkok. Goog God is right.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 2, 2009 10:17 AM
Favorite. Condo. Ever.
Posted by: wellheythere at October 2, 2009 10:18 AM
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Posted by: Maly at October 2, 2009 10:20 AM
I walked by it plenty of times. It's a well designed building and looks a lot nicer up close than on the photo. Totally out of context for the neighborhood but nice nevertheless.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 10:20 AM
Amazing. Only 1 million? I'll take 2
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 2, 2009 10:22 AM
Folks;
These condos will be worth every penny they ask for. You know why? This is a historical site: it is where I had my "Big Fat Italian Wedding", with over 200 guests!
On this site stood a catering hall called the Claridge. Previous to being a catering hall, it was a movie theater by the same name. It was a big cavernous space, perfect for such events. I grew up about 5 blocks from this place.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 10:24 AM
It will be cheaper than 1 mil for the smaller units. Don't think anyone will pay that in this area for the smaller units considering the common charges and taxes listed on the website.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 10:25 AM
This building has a mauresque feel, and seems quite attractive (in pictures at least.). I don't know the area well enough, but if it is close enough to the right synagogue, it would be an affordable alternative to the $4M cottage.
Posted by: Maly at October 2, 2009 10:25 AM
I'll take this over a Fedders building any day.
Posted by: ilovebrooklyn at October 2, 2009 10:25 AM
I can't afford it but I love the exterior. Its so wedding cakey and actually fun. May not be what they intended but its artsy and I like that.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 2, 2009 10:25 AM
benson, never took you for an Avenue P guy. Always thought you wgrew up around Avenue U-V.
I spent most of my after high school days either in the Ave. P park (East 5th) or Playboy Billiards on Coney Island which is not there anymore.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 10:27 AM
I'm with Kevin. Overworked, overdone and over the top.
Posted by: WBer at October 2, 2009 10:27 AM
One more comment: this condo sits smack in the middle of the uber-rich Syrian Sephardic community that has recently been discussed. This thing will sell out in no time.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 10:27 AM
I think it looks fine, if a little too fussy. Would fit in better in FL or TX than NYC, but it's not bad.
Posted by: etson at October 2, 2009 10:31 AM
"I'm with Kevin. Overworked, overdone and over the top."
and why the hell not? this ain't paris bitches
Posted by: ftgreenepark at October 2, 2009 10:32 AM
Kens;
I grew up between Ave P and Quentin road. Ave P was seen as the dividing line between Gravesend and Bensonhurst/Borough Park.
Even though I grew up near Ave P, I did spend most of my time in the vicinity of either Kings Highway or Ave U, as I went to the parochial school on Ave T and Lake St (St. Simon).
I know that park on Ave P and East 5th very well. About 40 years ago, it was a very famous place. Every Sunday all the top handball players in the city used to play there, and man, they were serious about it. I remember wandering in there when I was about 10 to watch. They actually told me to get out of the park. They plaed such a fierce handball, the ball was flying so fast that they were afraid to have kids around.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 10:33 AM
Maybe a LITTLE over the top, but not bad.
Posted by: East New York at October 2, 2009 10:35 AM
The real estate agents will not show any of the units to any of you.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 2, 2009 10:36 AM
"We had been assuming it would be entirely mock-worthy"
And no doubt it will be mocked by those who scorn anyone who doesn't aspire to a 16- to 20-foot wide rowhouse built 130 years ago located in one of the gentry-approved neighborhoods of northern or central Brooklyn.
This building looks stunning in person. More than a little flamboyant for my taste, but it's hard not to smile every time you go past, and what more can you ask of architecture?
Posted by: Sparafucile at October 2, 2009 10:37 AM
What's not to love? This building is a historic looking throwback that everyone on Brownstoner is always clamoring for with an extra helping of fabulousness. A reminder that Soho cast irons were mass produced throwbacks to "Venetian style" at the time. This building has a wonderful Middle Eastern flavor as well which is appropriate for the neighborhood. Now in person it might have a cheap Vegas feel, but if they used the right materials, this is a classical folly for the ages. More creative fun buildings like this one please.
It will sell out easily, unlike all the high end condos in "prime" Brooklyn.
Posted by: Grand Pa at October 2, 2009 10:38 AM
I must say these units have a lot of closets/storage (the 2-bedroom floorplan) but, except for the really large unit, (bed)room sizes are not so grand. My late in-laws would have loved it.
Posted by: BH76 at October 2, 2009 10:39 AM
"And no doubt it will be mocked by those who scorn anyone who doesn't aspire to a 16- to 20-foot wide rowhouse built 130 years ago located in one of the gentry-approved neighborhoods of northern or central Brooklyn."
Excellent.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 10:39 AM
Does anybody know any details about the project? I.e. developer, architect, etc.
Posted by: wellheythere at October 2, 2009 10:43 AM
Not my taste. The facade being far too ostentatious, however there are those who go for this type of simulated grandiose and will buy into this.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 2, 2009 10:43 AM
considering all the new construction stuff we blast, this is welcome addition. over the top is way better than garbage.
Posted by: more4less at October 2, 2009 10:43 AM
this wasn't built spec, i presume?
is it possible developer pre-sold the units?
have their been any uber lux condos over there?
seems like it would be a huge risk wo presales.
i thought rich folk in that neighborhood liked to do their laundry in their own home.
Posted by: antidope at October 2, 2009 10:47 AM
it looks like the brooklyn muesuem crash landed on top of some building in paris.
Posted by: jack slade at October 2, 2009 10:48 AM
I love it. I really do.
It isn't a glass and steel tower!
Glass and steel and cost savings and big blah is all we get anymore, and this seems a wonderful,expensive and lovingly built detour from that.
Bravo!
Posted by: Nokilissa at October 2, 2009 10:50 AM
Grand Pa, You couldn't have put my feelings into words more precisely than you did. Exactly!
Posted by: Nokilissa at October 2, 2009 10:51 AM
antidope, I am better it's built with presales and there is only maybe a couple of more uber lux condos in the area and this probably is catering more towards the Syrian population in the area that does have the money to spend on these apartments.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 10:55 AM
Pigeon Poop Fest 2009.
Posted by: MAT at October 2, 2009 10:55 AM
better=betting
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 10:58 AM
Antidope;
Although the Syrians tend to live in one-family homes, some condos have been built - mostly on nearby Kings Highway.
One thing this photo doesn't capture is that this stretch of Ave P is pretty dreary - old, low commercial structures. However, that is sure to change in the years head. About 7 years ago, the planning commission - in response to neighborhood concerns - downzoned most of the side streets. In return, the main commercial strips - Ave P and Kings Highway were upzoned to allow for condo development.
IMHO, it was a good solution. Both Ave P. and Kings Highway needed a shot in the arm, and it is coming in the form of developments like this one.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 11:00 AM
This will be sold out to the Sy - and while not my taste, I'd rather see this on 4th Ave than the crap that has sprung up there.
Posted by: bupe at October 2, 2009 11:00 AM
When the end days come, and they will, the residents can escape via roof top/penthouse saucer.
Posted by: IMBY at October 2, 2009 11:05 AM
I kinda like it. It's better than a steel and glass tower that's for sure. If the materials used were of a good quality this could be quite nice.
It does sorta remind me of a hotel in Vegas but then again, I like Vegas.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 2, 2009 11:08 AM
The big question is..Will Caesar be occupying the penthouse?
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 11:09 AM
THL it kinda does look like Venetian but it is a nicely built condo in IMO.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 11:10 AM
The big question is..Will Caesar be occupying the penthouse?
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 11:09 AM
Kens- Not likely... The Romanoff's perhaps.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 2, 2009 11:15 AM
Kens, what would happen if a buyer decides to sell it to an outsider later?
Posted by: more4less at October 2, 2009 11:15 AM
That shit looks HOT! Gotta do a driveby. What recent construction beats it?
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at October 2, 2009 11:15 AM
I don't think this one is that strict M4L since it was probably not a Syrian developer who built it. It has a big advertisement on the side for open houses so it's pretty open to public. The problem is, in this area, only Syrians would be able to afford these prices and maybe a few rich Hasidics or Russians. I can't see anyone else buying into this building.
It's also not in the 'prime' Syrian hood which is a bit further on Ocean PKWY. This area has a mix of Syrian, modern Jews and Russians. Unfortunately not much of other diversity around that area. You can see that reflected in the stores that cater to the community as well.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 11:23 AM
I think they were spot on with 3/4's of the construction.. im still out to lunch with that top of the building.
This is like nothing ive seen in a long time.. newly constructed at least.
Posted by: big swinging nick at October 2, 2009 11:23 AM
Something familiar, something peculiar, something for everyone a condo tonight!
Actually, looks more like a mosque than anything roman. Nice embrace of the corner. A dizzying, yet coherent scheme and looks well done.
Posted by: slopefarm at October 2, 2009 11:24 AM
Las Vegas infringement? Put another one by the Gowanus. That would be HOTTER.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at October 2, 2009 11:33 AM
It ridiculously wonderful and in 70 years it will be a landmark....nicely done!
Posted by: fsrg at October 2, 2009 11:39 AM
Is it stone and brick, or is that styrofoam plastic crap?
Posted by: IMBY at October 2, 2009 11:43 AM
IMBY, good question. I recall the base being stone but not sure. Maybe someone else can weigh in on it.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 2, 2009 11:49 AM
This is the real deal: stone and brick. I watched this baby go up from the ground.
Posted by: benson at October 2, 2009 12:01 PM
Did they realize thay already had one roof on it when they put the second one on?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 2, 2009 12:09 PM
It's not Vegas, it's Florida and California. This kind of building is all over upscale neighborhoods in those states and really this is not such a bad example of it. It would look out of place in Brownstone Brooklyn but it's not so out of place in Gravesend or Bensonhurst. I think this is an example of reaching for topics to drum up lots of posts. This building and its neighborhood is fully outside the main focus of this blog.
Posted by: traditionalmod at October 2, 2009 12:23 PM
Looks Grand. And why not.
Good for them.
The apartments look nice.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 2, 2009 12:33 PM
Love it. Take this style over steel and glass "modern" new construction any day.
Posted by: ennuiater at October 2, 2009 12:36 PM
I really like it as well and I have to give the sponsor/developer BIG thanks for not building another crappy fedders building or another fugly flat facade, box like crapitecture inspired by low ceiling projects. I think the round edges are a major plus as well.
Too bad more developers don't build or at least attempt to build beautiful buildings anymore.
MAJOR +
Posted by: CookieCutterBrownstone at October 2, 2009 12:59 PM
Not to my taste, but the typical buyer here would laugh at those who drop $2 million plus for an attached 18-foot brownstone that requires a tenant to help pay the mortgage and a half-hour search for a parking space. And yes, nicer and certainly more interesting than most of the crap going up in Brooklyn and Manhattan.
Posted by: Suburbandude at October 2, 2009 1:15 PM
I drive on Ocean Parkway frequently (in-laws in Brighton Beach) - and I am so pleased that people are giving this mostly a thumbs up. Yes, it's completely over-the top wedding-cake extravaganza. But still, like a breath of fresh air compared to 500 4th or the Crest or the Argyle.
And Benson is completely right - this is a SOLID building.
Posted by: bupe at October 2, 2009 2:18 PM
"benson, never took you for an Avenue P guy. Always thought you wgrew up around Avenue U-V.
I spent most of my after high school days either in the Ave. P park (East 5th) or Playboy Billiards on Coney Island which is not there anymore."
Wow Playboy Billiards on CIA brings back memories... I also spent a lot of time on Ave P as a kid as I had relatives on E 3rd bet. O and Ryder.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 2, 2009 2:26 PM
It needs the neon backlit fountains. Please tell me there are neon backlit fountains in the courtyard. I will back off my "renter only" stance, raid the portfolio and snatch up a place here.
Where's Gravesend anyway?
Posted by: HoneysuckleWeeks at October 2, 2009 2:31 PM
Etson, you are so right. When I saw the picture I thought it looked like pretty much any new construction in Houston.
Posted by: Brooklyn Chicken at October 2, 2009 2:42 PM
I don't love it. Something about the proportions makes me unsettled.
Posted by: lf2009 at October 2, 2009 3:33 PM
It's hilarious. I like it.
Posted by: mopar at October 2, 2009 4:13 PM
Oh. Mah. Gah.
Posted by: Lo Kee at October 2, 2009 5:21 PM
I kinda like it. It doesn't look like any number of monstrosities they've been slapping up all over Brooklyn these past few years. Good job!
Posted by: GHB at October 2, 2009 5:43 PM
In July I took some out-of-borough friends on the F-train to Coney Island (their first time), and from the elevated tracks we saw this huge building, upper floors only, couldn't see street view from from the train, and we just gaped. It looked so clean, and they thought it was a newly renovated historic palace of some kind. I had ridden the train to Coney many times in my life on the N, but not on the F in the past two years, so I was sure it was brand spanking new. It looked super impressive, no matter.
Posted by: elizabethJane at October 2, 2009 6:06 PM
It was built by Syrians for Syrians i beilive the guy who built it is Joe Sitt not Thor Sitt but Sitt asset management and got another couple guys from the area to be the money guys behind it.
Posted by: Local Broker at October 3, 2009 2:10 PM
Wow. That building is hillarious. I love how it gets shorter and shorter as you go up. You just made my day.
Posted by: bfarwell at October 3, 2009 5:23 PM
OMG! Mr. B, I usually trust your visual evaluations of local architecture, but I swear something was awry with your site when you examined this photo. I am not sure if this building belongs in Syria, Bangkok or Staten Island (I hope not,) but it certainly does not belong in Brooklyn. After we all enjoy our long laugh all we will be left with is an ostentatious eyesore.
Posted by: Taksa at October 5, 2009 9:25 AM
Walked by the other day, the quality and materials are definitely high quality. The building's features, lobbies, doors, windows are huge. I'm pretty sure this building was built by people in this community for their family members and friends so there is no reason to be skimpy on the quality.
However, what you dont see from the pictures is how crappy the avenue its on is. Almost every structure surrounding it is either a 1-2 level shitty retail, empty lot or industrial space. Also, its kind of close to the F train (1-2 blocks) so hopefully the noise from the subway wont be a problem. Though, this building can trigger the revival of Ave P.
Posted by: shamegro at October 6, 2009 3:07 PM

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