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Mawning (rhymes w/ yawning)!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:15 AM
While the rest of the country burns, these wall streeters are partying like 1999 with our money, tax-payer's money.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a25cbLmExCXs
Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A 40 percent jump in Wall Street bonuses this year may bring relief to New York City and Albany as the state and its biggest metropolis struggle with a combined $14 billion in budget deficits this fiscal year and next.
New York investment houses will dole out $26 billion in bonus checks by the end of March, said Alan Johnson, president of compensation consultant Johnson Associates Inc. The money will probably boost sales of multimillion-dollar co-op apartments and generate extra income-tax revenue for state and city governments.
“I don’t think this is going to make everybody think, ‘Oh, good times are here again,’ but it may ease things a bit,” said Lawrence White, professor of economics at New York University’s Leonard N. Stern School of Business.
Before the financial meltdown slammed bank earnings and the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index of U.S. stocks dropped 38 percent last year, Wall Street’s compensation and corporate profits provided 20 percent of New York state tax revenue and 9 percent of the city’s taxes. New York banks lost $42.6 billion in 2008 and shed 30,000 jobs, according to the city’s Office of Management and Budget.
The city’s unemployment rate is 10.3 percent, the most since 1993, after the private sector cut 96,600 jobs since employment peaked in August 2008.
Bonuses in 2008 fell 44 percent from the prior year, to $18.4 billion, said New York state Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli. The reduction cost the state $1 billion in personal income tax revenue and New York City $275 million, he said. State personal income tax collections in the current fiscal year’s first six months declined $4.4 billion, or 21.6 percent, from the same period a year earlier, DiNapoli’s September cash report said.
Too Soon
It’s too soon to estimate the impact of bigger bonuses, said DiNapoli spokesman Olayinka Fadahunsi and Mark LaVorgna, a spokesman for New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. New York City will update its financial plan next month.
“New York was ground zero of this crisis,” Governor David Paterson said last week, announcing $5 billion in spending cuts and one-time revenue measures, including a tax-amnesty program, to preserve the state’s credit rating of Aa3 from Moody’s Investors Service and AA from Standard & Poor’s, three and two levels from the top, respectively.
This year, Wall Street’s banks are set to pay near-record bonuses after the U.S. injected $700 billion into financial- services companies, guaranteed their debt and lowered the Federal Reserve’s benchmark interest rate to almost zero. The number of Wall Street competitors declined after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapsed, Bear Stearns Cos. was bought by JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Merrill Lynch & Co. was taken over by Bank of America Corp.
Up 46 Percent
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said Oct. 15 it had set aside $16.7 billion for compensation in 2009’s first three quarters, or $527,192 per worker, up 46 percent from the same period a year earlier and just under the record $16.9 billion set in 2007’s first nine months. JPMorgan set aside $353,834 per investment-bank employee, up from $210,854 last year.
Americans have a “limited tolerance” for Wall Street bonuses, said David Axelrod, a senior adviser to President Barack Obama, on ABC’s “This Week” on Oct. 18. “On the same day that you saw stories about these bonuses, you saw a story about how wages are at a 19-year low,” Axelrod said.
After Obama’s administration proposed capping executive pay at companies that accept government rescue funds, Mayor Bloomberg described bonuses as important to New York’s economy.
‘Enormous Amount’
“They may be an enormous amount of money for one person, but they are how our people in the city in all industries get paid, whether you drive a cab, work in a restaurant, work in a store, whether you are a municipal employee,” Bloomberg said Feb. 5 at City Hall.
“All of this gets filtered down through our economy,” he said. “No matter what you think about the propriety of any individual person’s bonus, we want companies in the city, and we are dependent on Wall Street finance, to do well.” The mayor is the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, parent of Bloomberg News.
“Certainly, it’s good news for the city if Wall Street salaries and bonuses continue to be high,” said Doug Turetsky, a spokesman for New York City’s Independent Budget Office.
Limited Impact
Bonus increases will have a limited impact on revenue, said Matt Anderson, a spokesman for New York state’s Division of Budget. Many payments come in stock that isn’t taxed immediately, and companies that disappeared in the crisis won’t be paying any bonuses at all, he said.
“While Wall Street bonuses are an important component of state revenue, they are not the only component,” Anderson said in an e-mail. “We continue to see substantial declines in tax collections across the entire budget. There is little prospect, if any, for a rebound in receipts by the end of the fiscal year that would remove the need for difficult deficit reduction actions.”
The number of Manhattan apartment sales increased 46 percent in the third quarter from the previous period, the biggest such gain since 1996, according to an Oct. 2 report from Miller Samuel Inc., a New York appraiser. The median price of a luxury apartment in Manhattan in the third quarter was $3.9 million, up from $3.66 million.
Some homes are selling for more than their listing price.
Madoff’s Home
The former Montauk, New York, home of Bernard Madoff, who is serving a 150-year prison sentence for running the biggest Ponzi scheme in history out of his investment firm, sold for $9.41 million, the U.S. Marshals Service said last week. It had been listed for $8.75 million. Home prices in the Hamptons rose 4.7 percent in the third quarter amid a surge in sales of properties from $2 million to $5 million.
Public anger over Wall Street bonuses, and the need to rebuild savings and pay down debt, may limit how much bankers and traders spend once they get
Posted by: dandel at October 20, 2009 9:25 AM
this is sort of a long post.. ignore it if youre not in the mood..
okay, it's time for change. stat. lightbulbs are going off again (maybe i mentioned this in the past, maybe not) but sometimes i go thru weird periods where when i touch light switches the bulbs blow out. it's happened 3 times week already in different places. these also correspond to when i have wacky dreams. ive had a reoccuring dream where im living in what i think is an SRO in manhattan somewhere, the location is vague but i know it's manhattan. my dog is not in these dreams, none of my personal belongings are in these dreams, im wearing someone else's clothes, im picking used cigarette butts off the sidewalk, and im constantly scraping paint off of walls?!?
i have my follow up doctor visit this afternoon and im going to ask him to put me on Chantix which is a stop smoking drug. my reasons for going on chantix are not sincere in the slightest as i dont want to stop smoking. the #1 side effect of chantix is that most people who go on it have insanely vivid and lucid dreams. i want to find out where my dog is, what part of manhattan im living in, and where all my video games and hannah montana stuff went! if this really IS a psychic dream, something i have often, i want the dreams to be as detailed as possible so i know what i can do to keep this situation from happening, and if i can't keep it from happening to at least know when this will occur and how specifically it happened. i could get the same vivid dreaming effect by sticking a nicotine patch on myself at night, but smoking with the patch is dangerous and the last time i used the patch it made me physically feel like a giant used barf bag. with chantix you can smoke and still be on it. im wondering if my doctor will write me a prescription for it no questions asked? do doctors normally write scripts for people when they request them? i was also thinking about telling him i had ADHD (i dont really have ADHD at all but i figure i could just sell the pills on the black market to people who like to abuse that kind of stuff?) is that shady or am i just being resourceful? i've been thinking lately how important it has become lately that i need to be as resourceful as possible, but i dont want to be one a sketchball.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:31 AM
Joe is alert so early, guess didn't drink on Montague st too late.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 9:32 AM
bonuses this year? *f* that.
Save a kitten, kick a wall streeter.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:33 AM
Hey Joe, wasn't ignoring your questions yesterday since I leave the office around 5 and don't really check Brownstoner after that, but sometimes I drop in in the evening to see what I missed. I see that some jumped in and answered your questions about What's blog. BTW, we sometimes do impromptu smaller group drinks around BK so if you want to be on that list, email me at BKJester3 AT aol.com or Biff or Cgar. Those are usually the organizers for these things.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 9:33 AM
Hey dandel, interesting post. I've learned that much of the bonuses come in the form of resricted stock that can't be sold for X amount of time and could theoretically be worthless when it's time.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:36 AM
Joe- I took a slight snipe at you on the Triangle thread. Please say "Hasid", not Jewish. We get enough flak as it is. No dreidels and gefilte fish for you!
What's "mawning?"
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 9:36 AM
New Canadian bar in Williamsburg!!
Great Lakes Team Brings Canada to Williamsburg
http://tinyurl.com/yguw2lz
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 9:38 AM
Rob - You already know the answers to those questions. It's stupid to take any meds you don't need (& dream analysis isn't a "need" - go to a psychic reader if you must. Or consider changing what you eat before you go to sleep.) Flogging pills is dumb & dangerous.
If your doctor agrees to any of this w/o serious questions, switch docs - you've got a charlatan.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 9:39 AM
Rob, maybe your true calling is a Brownstone restorer with all those paint scraping dreams you are having.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 9:40 AM
Biff, yesterday's episode of "How I met your mother" was all about Canadian bars and becoming American lol. It was hilarious. Definitely thought of you in a couple of instances. Try to catch it online, you'll have a good laugh.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 9:41 AM
Thanks Ken.
I'm e-mailing you now...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:42 AM
quote:
go to a psychic reader if you must.
the last time i went to a psychic i wound up getting tricked into paying 200 dollars for bath crystals. :-/ i believe in personal dreamwork, it works, it does for me. most psychics in nyc are total charlatans and frauds. im an Aquarius, i can tune into things easily enough myself. and it would be great if i did go on chantix and it had the fortunate side effect of actually making me quit smoking. i think it's a win-win situation, at least to try anyway.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:42 AM
- Save a kitten, kick a wall streeter.
I see a theme party in the horizon.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 9:42 AM
rob- no reputable doctor is going to give you prescriptions based on your diagnosis. they're the doctor- They will ask questions. As for selling your prescription its not just shady, its illegal. It's not resourceful, its stupid.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 9:43 AM
Thanks Kens, I'll look for that one. I still have to download the current season's Curb Your Enthusiam episodes to date.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 9:43 AM
- you now have a place to hail Canada from 5 p.m. till 4 a.m. daily.
And some people (okay, just one) have used this place (OT) to hail Canada from 9:15 till 6:00pm daily.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 9:45 AM
What's "mawning?"
Are you really Jewish and from the Bronx?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:46 AM
Hey Biff, you ever go to Great Lakes in the Slope?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:47 AM
Save a kitten, kick a Wall Streeter- sounds like a creative endeavor you could do, rob. Tap Wall Streeters you know and people will donate money to kitty rescue groups everytime someone pays to kick. YOu can offer personalized videos, tee shirts and coffee mugs. :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 9:47 AM
i never understood or got the "gist" of what canadians are really about. no offense biff, but in general the entire country of canada just comes across as completely culture-less. ?!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:47 AM
i never understood or got the "gist" of what canadians are really about. no offense biff, but in general the entire country of canada just comes across as completely culture-less. ?!
ETA - tho i do love alanis
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:48 AM
joe- I am, but I never heard that. Is this going to humiliate me unbearably?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 9:49 AM
Joe, never been there. Is it good?
Rob, don't make me post my list of famous Canadians again!!
:-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 9:49 AM
- i never understood or got the "gist" of what canadians are really about.
D'OH!!
*Rob* is gonna get kicked by a Wall Streeter
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 9:50 AM
No, no, chill out bxgrl. I was just trying to be funny...
It's just "'morning" in a New Yawk accent...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:52 AM
Biffy - It's time to list other unique Canadian attributes - maple syrup (o.k., not unique); bacon (ditto); trees (hmmm - develping theme here); bauxite refining!
Guess it needs a Canadian to come up w/ the new list.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 9:53 AM
obama is SUCH an attention wh0re. tonight he's performing at hammerstein ballroom. wtf? :-/ he really needs to start DOING stuff and stop posing for the camera 24/7 it's a bit overkill and over exposure is NEVER a good thing.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:54 AM
Joe, never been there. Is it good?
Very good, after being there only twice have to say one of my favorite Brooklyn bars, good music, cute bartenders, diverse patronage. I went in there at 1AM on a Wed. night, it was surprisingly not dead and listened to new Beatles Revolver re-release w/ the bartender.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 9:56 AM
oooh bacon was invented in canada? i actually have to make bacon tonight. ive never made it before. for the potluck tomorrow, im making indiana corn casserole. tho after one of my coworkers told me that normally everyone is afraid to eat anything i bring in i might just go my 1/2 sister route and bring in a damn can of delmonte canned corn and call it day. grrr
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 9:57 AM
Joe, all that and new Beatles Revolver re-release?
Sounds excellent. I'll definitely check it oot, er, out.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 10:00 AM
bama is SUCH an attention wh0re. tonight he's performing at hammerstein ballroom. wtf? :-/ he really needs to start DOING stuff and stop posing for the camera 24/7 it's a bit overkill and over exposure is NEVER a good thing.
*rob*
I could see Rob one day writing for an opinion column.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:00 AM
- oooh bacon was invented in canada?
No. The Chinese invented bacon.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:02 AM
"oooh bacon was invented in canada? i actually have to make bacon tonight. ive never made it before"
So many places to start with that
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 10:02 AM
I'm on 55th Street, not Wall Street.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:03 AM
In search of *rob*, Snappy, DH and I went to Great Lakes for a beer, and a heavy piece of furniture leaning against the wall (we learned later it's the stage for performances) began to fall and nearly crushed poor Snappy. Other than that it's a cool bar.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:03 AM
Bacon was invented in Italy. It's called pancetta. BENSON, where the hell are you??????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:04 AM
- oooh bacon was invented in canada?
No. The Chinese invented bacon.
Beat me to it!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:04 AM
But where were bacon meatballs invented?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:04 AM
Bacon was invented in Italy. It's called pancetta. BENSON, where the hell are you??????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ROTFLMMFAO!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:05 AM
joe- ok. So only slightly embarrassing
tanks, dawl! :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:05 AM
- No. The Chinese invented bacon.
Beat me to it!
Also the Chinese invented beat offs.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:05 AM
You're all wrong. Bacon was invented by us Jewish folk so we could establish a baseline for traife.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:06 AM
Bacon was invented in Italy. It's called pancetta. BENSON, where the hell are you??????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ROTFLMMFAO!
Okay, maybe it wasn't THAT funny... gotta watch the CAPS...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:07 AM
Who invented Beggin Strips???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:07 AM
Rob - The Big O is doing other things besides fund raising.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 10:08 AM
- But where were bacon meatballs invented?
A town on the border of China and Italy.
Those two countries are next to each other, aren't they?
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:08 AM
My grandmother kept Kosher, but she loved bacon as long as it was on a paper plate.
(Where's Snappy? She's missing a bacon discussion.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:08 AM
DIBS, what is the name of your hedge fund? What is your role there?
Posted by: dandel at October 20, 2009 10:09 AM
And if you're not eating prosciutto instead of bacon for things like "bacon-wrapped" then you belong on a lesser blog.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:09 AM
"Who invented Beggin Strips???"
Cats. So they could watch dogs humiliate themselves.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:10 AM
- Who invented Beggin Strips???
Someone from Bed Stuy.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:10 AM
BJ- totally not funny.Really.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:11 AM
I...just...can't....help...myself...I...shouldn't...but....i....feel...compelled...
http://bacolicio.us/http://www.brownstoner.com
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 10:11 AM
dandel, Dave is the Chief Ghetto Money Manager at Asshathill Investment Fund.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:14 AM
ROFL, Cobble ... Does that mean you're making me bacon for breakfast?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:15 AM
Wonderful, CHiller!
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 10:16 AM
cobble- aurrrgghh! I need bacon!! It looks so real- and tasty.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:16 AM
I believe it was etson that posted the link to this yesterday:
http://www.omgpop.com/#/i/g7hx
I have one comment: It's addictive. Not saying how I know that, just sayin'. ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 10:16 AM
also how do i make sure the bacon is very very crispy. i cant stand that most of bacon is just blubbery fat. the recipe calls for cripsy bacon bits. okay would it be trashy to just use Bacos? (ugh i can eat those by the handful. SO good).? im sure my workers will just assume i used Bacos anyway. plus bacos is vegetarian isnt it? luckily i dont work with any lame vegans (that i know of) so it might not be a problem.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 10:17 AM
Cobble- aren't you inviting CarGar's e-wife for breakfast too?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:17 AM
Dave, you should try this Tony (#7 on the list). His prosciutto mozzarella is really really good. He has a huge cart on 62nd and Madison and the line is always pretty big but it moves fast. When I worked at the FAO building, we used to go to him all the time and eat in the park.
http://nymag.com/restaurants/features/33527/index1.html
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:18 AM
Rob - Cook it slowly & thoroughly & dry them w/ paper towel. Don't add the bacon bits until you get to the office - they'll get soggy sitting in the corn. And do NOT use bacos!!!
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 10:19 AM
I meant try his cart food, not him. He is not your type but his help definitely is.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:20 AM
rob- bacos taste like plastic.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:21 AM
"He has a huge cart on 62nd and Madison"
I thought this said "He has a huge CAT on 62nd and Madison"
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:21 AM
Kens, as long as you've been pimping me, is Tony my type?
bxgrl, my tent is your tent, my bacon is your bacon.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:22 AM
canada gives us a better view of the Falls, and quite a few of those decorating and selling house shows on HGTV are canadian. And don't forget the mounties.
and all those cold fronts in the winter.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 10:22 AM
CGar, you know I don't partake in CAT discussions. I get allergic reactions just thinking about cats. I am in the bensonmobile on that one.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:23 AM
Mounties are gorgeous! Those uniforms are intense. The riding boots, the nifty hat....sigh.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:24 AM
Tony is your type but he plays for my team, I think. His cart has very yummy food though. You should check it out too.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:25 AM
bx and joe,
I had a professor once who liked to brag about his Brooklyn roots and say how he could tell just where you grew up if you were a NYer by how you say cawfee. When he asked me how I say it, I said "reguluh" because no real NYer goes into a cawfeeshop and actually says cawfee. It's just "can I get a" -- "reguluh" "two with sugar" "black no sugar" etc.
Posted by: slopefarm at October 20, 2009 10:25 AM
dandel, that's on a need-to-know basis.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:26 AM
hey folks,
did somebody mention bacon?
count me in.
has anyone heard of chicharron?
basically bacon on steroids.
of no health value whatsoever but soo good with black
beans.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 10:26 AM
"I thought this said "He has a huge CAT on 62nd and Madison""
Do union-busting companies put those up to chase the giant inflatable rats that indicate non-union workers are working inside?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 10:27 AM
I will try Tony's cart. I'll also try to pick up his help.
Thanks, Kens. You're a good wingman. no homo
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:30 AM
dandel, that's on a need-to-know basis.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:26 AM
Dave, sorry but I already answered him at 10:14.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 10:30 AM
slopefarm- Upstaters used to tell by how you said water. if you were a NYer or not. But I really have no bronx accent. Out of towners tell me this all the time, as though to be a real New Yorker you have to say dese, dems and dozes. I love listening to the old guys with the heavy accents. I read somewhere that Brooklyn accents grew out of the Dutch language. Anyone know for sure?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:31 AM
Legion...I always get a HUGE plate of chicharon at Mixto in Philly...6 super large pieces for $5.00.....it's almost enough for a whole dinner!!!!
Chicharon IS bacon on steroids. Pork belly too.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:31 AM
- Mounties are gorgeous! Those uniforms are intense. The riding boots, the nifty hat....sigh.
Lots of men will also agree with you.
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/31946a.jpg
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:31 AM
CHiller - That game is lethal!
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 10:31 AM
I've only seen those giant inflatable cats put up by unions. Giant rats only at Ratifico. And blow up dolls, well, everywhere.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:32 AM
legion- and you're a doctor. For shame- and where can I get some?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:32 AM
BJster- but the fit too. You can practically see the 6 pack abs through the jacket.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:33 AM
- "I thought this said "He has a huge CAT on 62nd and Madison""
Do union-busting companies put those up to chase the giant inflatable rats that indicate non-union workers are working inside?
yes, and then someone puts up an inflatable wood chipper.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 10:34 AM
dibs,
that's what I'm talking about!
you can get in in Bushwick also in those
cuchifrito joints.
bxgrl,
lol, it's ok to eat it, as long as you have a prescription for Lipitor.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 10:35 AM
bx -- I don't have a bronx or brooklyn accent, and I grew up outside the city. I was just teasing my prof with the point that there is more to a dialect than intonation, there's usage. What little NewYorkese I spoke growing up was squeezed out part way by some time spent in the midwest.
Posted by: slopefarm at October 20, 2009 10:35 AM
Lots of input to Bklyn accent - that's why it varies hood to hood. Irish, Dutch, Yiddish, Italian among others. "D" instead of "th" is Irish.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 10:36 AM
Arkady, where does the Canadian accent come in?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 10:40 AM
"Arkady, where does the Canadian accent come in?"
After the sixth bottle of Sleemans.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 10:42 AM
"Arkady, where does the Canadian accent come in?"
Right aboot here. (Sorry, biff, low hanging fruit)
Posted by: slopefarm at October 20, 2009 10:42 AM
I find the evolution of language and accents so fascinating. I have to do more research.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:42 AM
slope, you mean low hanging froot.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 10:43 AM
Or is that "loo hanging froot"?
Or is that "froot hanging in the loo"?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 10:43 AM
quote:
I read somewhere that Brooklyn accents grew out of the Dutch language.
i thought it was because older people, specifically in the nyc area had fatter thicker tongues that caused their strange accents. like literally.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 10:43 AM
I read somewhere that Brooklyn accents grew out of the Dutch language. Anyone know for sure?
Probably its largest early influence (think of how "t's" to "d's", especially with a traditional Bronx accent), the later influence from German, Norwegian and Yiddish helped solidify Dutch's Germanic mark on Brooklynese.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:44 AM
"That game is lethal!"
No joke! Must...resist...must...resist!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 10:44 AM
Most of the accents I hear are Asian & Latin. :-0
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:45 AM
" I read somewhere that Brooklyn accents grew out of the Dutch language. Anyone know for sure? "
One of my professors said that the boston and brooklyn accents are somehow connected to the cockney accent in London. Not sure how though.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 10:49 AM
DIBS, there is no need to be defensive. Your fund did not take any tax payer money and is not involved in any insider trading scandal. You make money because of your own trading skills. This is what capitalism should be about, and not the crony capitalism or "welfare for the rich wall street bankers" that currently exist.
Posted by: dandel at October 20, 2009 10:52 AM
arkady,
yeah, the Greenpoint accent was basically Popeye's accent.
they would say oirrl instead of oil.
I think Staten Island is really the last vestige of the
old style, new york accent.
there's been such a rapid change in New York populations
that it seems there's not much time for ny accents to
develop.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 10:54 AM
What are the differences between Bronxese and Brooklynese? Bear in mind, because of my hearing I can't distinguish aural differences well.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:55 AM
quote:
there's been such a rapid change in New York populations
that it seems there's not much time for ny accents to
develop.
unfortunately now you get idiots from the midwest who start their sentences with "gosh" barf!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 10:57 AM
dandel, have you been drinking the Kool Aid??? Good girl. Your post @ 10:52 is counter to all the of-point crap that you've posted previously and is actually a good observation.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 10:58 AM
I think the NY accent will always evolve and survive in one way or another, the flux of the last 10-15 years is not the norm, these newcomers and thier children will take on certain subtle characteristics of the earlier accents (dropping the r's, etc.)
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 10:58 AM
legion- wouldn't it be fascinating to record accents and compare every 5,10 and 20 years?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 10:59 AM
Dandel, I'm happy the banks are paying those fat bonuses. The state and city need the tax revenue. bonus to employees are taxable. bigger earnings (if smaller bonus pool) for the banks is a TBD as far as tax rev since god know if any of them has some big carry-forward losses from this collapse to offset any taxable earnings going forward. The state & city has to have a balanced budget. I rather rich wall st bankers absorb as much as possible on the state & city budget gaps then for them to close gap via my income, ppty tax,.....
To me, it's the lesser of the 2 evils. of course I would be complaining more if I didn't live in NYC - ie those folks in IOWA is not seeing any material & direct return on their contributions to the TARP funds
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:00 AM
In the Appalachians they found remnants of Elizabethan English in speech patterns. I love stuff like this. Same thing with regional costume- like the Bolivian jackets that are based on clothing from the time of the Conquistadors.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 11:03 AM
I don't think there is any diffenence bronx vs brooklyn etc..it is NY regional....will vary by ethnicity of neighborhood/peers (Italian, Jewish, etc) .
And socio-economic group/education can play a role in how thick the accent is. Still pretty strong on LI but definitely changing.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 11:04 AM
Kens, what are the recommended dishes you get from that cart? I think I might go there this Fri
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:04 AM
WOW who knew people can't have opposing opinions on this blog.
1.) i think housing lotteries are largely SCAMS
2.) low income housing in general is plagued with TONS Of fraud.
im not allowed to have those opinions? whatever. im taking a board break!
g'bue!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 11:04 AM
Besides this ladies annoying voice she's got the dialects of the different boroughs down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrA9-6o4tI
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 11:04 AM
What are the differences between Bronxese and Brooklynese? Bear in mind, because of my hearing I can't distinguish aural differences well.
Bronxese = "T's" prnounce like "D's" (also true w/ Philly accent except Philly has some Midwestern/Midatlantic "flatness")
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:04 AM
ladies = lady's
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 11:06 AM
WOW who knew people can't have opposing opinions on this blog.
1.) i think housing lotteries are largely SCAMS
2.) low income housing in general is plagued with TONS Of fraud.
im not allowed to have those opinions? whatever. im taking a board break!
g'bue!
*rob*
I can definitely say "I AGREE" w/ everything in this post including but not limited to the last part. (I was getting pretty sick of the OT yesterday...)
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:07 AM
I took a linguistics class in college, and it was fascinating tracing the roots of American speech. I would think that the Boston accent would have strong roots in Irish/Gaelic inflections, stronger than Cockney, I would think, but then again, my knowledge of Boston's ethnic history is pretty basic. I can see the same in what may have been spoken by lower and working class Manhattan by mid to turn of the 19th century, but again, Irish would have been stronger, and they tended not to associate with the English, if they had a choice. I would definitely agree that the Germanic languages, from Old English to Yiddish, had the greatest influences, with Italian and Spanish adding their own "notes".
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 11:08 AM
joe and bxgrl,
It really is fascinating, if you watch old shows set in NYC like Kojak or a movie like Dog Day Afternoon (filmed in Windsor Terrace) you hear the clear NY accents everywhere from the cops to the robbers to the bystanders.
like joe said, it's probably evolving with phrases like rob mentioned (gosh)and intonation.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 11:09 AM
I'm better with cadence. I can catch most of the up and down sound and rhythm which is why i love Irish accents and Scottish burrs. I was listening to some Jamaican people speaking and thought it sounded like and Irish lilt.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 11:10 AM
Philadelphia, Baltimore, down to Richmond has tinge of "tidewater".
On the Outer Banks you can hear Elizabethan English - Okracoke, etc. Many people there have never been on mainland America.
Word usage is a factor too - hero/grinder/sub - stand on line or in line, etc.
People who study these things can tell NYC borough & neighborhood fairly accurately - just as in London you used to be able to identify someone's roots within half a mile.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 11:12 AM
The one old time NYer accent I hear on TV now is on CSI:NY. Although he's toned it down the last season or so. His voice sounds flatter to me now.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 11:12 AM
DIBS, you are speaking purely out of self interest rather than fairness. If the argument is that wall street banks that kept tax payers money are able to pay big bonuses and that is good for state and local governments' coffers, it seems to me a more efficient way to go about it is just give money to state and local governments directly and cut out the middlemen and avoid a big moral hazard problem.
Posted by: dandel at October 20, 2009 11:14 AM
The Appalachians are a really clear example of how culture is kept and how it changes. Since they are pretty isolated, their Scots/Irish roots are amazingly preserved in their speech patterns, food, and music. The similarities of "hillbilly" music to its roots in traditional Irish and Scottish music is obvious. The jigs, reels, ballads, as well as instrumentation is in a direct line from Europe to West Virginia. When I was studying ethnomusicology, which was my original academic goal, this was always the case study for the field.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 11:16 AM
After spending a very short time in Portland, OR, I was amazed to find I could tell when someone was from there as opposed to, say, Seattle. Subtle but very telling differences everywhere despite mass media.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 11:19 AM
No regional accent could ever be as strong as those of the past. Television has spread the "flat" Midwestern to every middle class corner of the realm. However regional accents will continue until there are new, extreme changes to current communication/travel.
For an example of how thick New York accents once werw
Google surviving recordings of Walt Whitman reciting his poetry, he has the most extreme stereo-typical old school accent, more extreme than you would have thought a literary figure could possibly have . (He literally says "goyle" instead of 'girl")
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:19 AM
dandel, I'm not going to debate whether or not it is morally right for those companies that accepted TARP money to pay bonuses. There is reality to consider.
Two issues: Some have already paid it back so they have every right to pay as much as they want
Secondly, for those that have not YET paid back TARP, the reality, whether you understand it or not, is that they have to pay bonuses to keep employees. There is a fair amount of hiring going on right now and if companies don't pay bonuses, they lose key employees.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:21 AM
Dandel,
I think M4L said that not DIBS.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 11:27 AM
that's ridiculous to say huge bonuses are needed to keep key employees. a trained monkey can just sit there all day pushing paper and playing metaphoric cash register with other peoples fake paper money.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 11:30 AM
DIBS, you're waiting for ENY to show up first or you haven't had enough coffee yet. where's the PHILLIES WIN!!!!!!!!!!! shout?
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:32 AM
Arkady is on the money with her 10:36 post, My Mom as well as her parents were born & raised in Northern Brooklyn, Cypress Hills/ENY. They have/had nearly undetectable Brooklyn accents. Even to this day, my mother teaches her own grandchildren "proper" speech, for instance I have overheard her stressing to the kids from time to time, the proper pronunciation of the word water... in contrast my dad's family were from Southern Brooklyn/Bay Ridge as well as Manhattan. They had a more pronounced Brooklyn accent to thier speech. I fondly recall a now deceased AMC Rambler driving Great Aunt of mine who lived in Bay Ridge from the 1930's until her death, she was born on the Lower East Side of Manhattan around the turn of the century. She spoke in an old NY/Old Bklyn way that I believe is hardly heard anymore and will be soon forgotten. Tiolet= terlert, Oil-=Erl, bathroom =bat-troom, tender= denda, refrigerator= ice box, hold on = hold the wire, and if you left the lights on , she would holler" Whadda ya think dis is-Luna Park!", Memories...Now if you have never heard of Luna Park, my apologies , you can look it up...I have someone on my wire.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 11:32 AM
that's ridiculous to say huge bonuses are needed to keep key employees. a trained monkey can just sit there all day pushing paper and playing metaphoric cash register with other peoples fake paper money.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 11:30 AM
Most likely but then anotrher firm will try and hire said trained monkey and soon the salaries & bonuses of all monkeys go up. Simple economics rob.
QED
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:34 AM
"that's ridiculous to say huge bonuses are needed to keep key employees. a trained monkey can just sit there all day pushing paper and playing metaphoric cash register with other peoples fake paper money. "
I'm with Rob on this one - bonuses aren't guaranteed and the job market hasn't softened enough yet that employees can hold their employers hostage expecting big payouts.
Is anyone really in good enough shape besides Goldman to pay out bonuses?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:35 AM
m4l, I don't want to rub salt in any wounds. ENY may not know it yet but I'm actually a nice guy.
PHILLIES WIN!!!!!!!!!
[I wish I could increase the font size and put all kinds of scrolling emoticons like over there in the blog who's name we dare not speak]
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:35 AM
"Bronxese = "T's" pronounce like "D's""
Thats American accents period.
I doubt anyone here, except Etson, pronounces the T in water, or makes the T in party a T instead of a D.
I've learnt in America there's no difference between utter and udder.
I don't know how Canadian's pronounce T.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:36 AM
Walt Whitman was recorded?? What year? I love him- he's one of those poets whose work is very visual - and so beautiful.
I had an English teacher who once read Stephen Vincent Benet's Mountain Whippoorwill to us. She started by tapping her foot to some unheard music and began to read. It was music and poetry and I never forgot the sound of her voice going up and down and the changes.Years later when I first heard the Sugar Hill gang, they reminded me of her reading.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 11:39 AM
I disdain any accent being thought of as "proper" as the only "proper" accent is British English of which Brooklynese is more closely related than the cold, neutral "newscaster" Midwestern American English.Here in the United States due to our relatively high social mobility (at least in the past...) regional accents have much less to do with class.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:39 AM
Bronx people drop the H in TH a lot of the time (tree instead of three)
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:41 AM
I hear a lot of young people pronouncing "I" (as in me) as "ah". Like the sound you make when the doctor's got your toungue pressed down with that flat wooden stick.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:41 AM
dh, all of the large investment banks/commercial banks (GS, JPM, MS,C) have set aside huge amounts as announced the last week or so for 3Q earnings. the amounts are MUCH larger than last year.
Bonuses will be huge this year. When I find a table that outlines all of the investment banks I'll post it here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:42 AM
Dandel,
I think M4L said that not DIBS.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 11:27 AM
That was me. TARP $$$ left the barn already so too late to do anything about it. I wouldn't mind seeing a few more banks disappear like lehman, bear,.... but hey, I'm the one deciding to bail them out. Since TARP money already paid out, one of the better outcome for us non-bankers is bonus being paid out. In this economy, one has to be a little selfish - ie I rather those bonus tax rev close some of the state & city budget gaps than them leaning hard on us non-bankers.
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:44 AM
Walt Whitman was recorded?? What year? I love him- he's one of those poets whose work is very visual - and so beautiful.
He was, I remember Martin Scorcese talking about it (it might be cited at the end) in the director's commentary for Gangs of New York. You could probably just google it or check the website for the Smithsonian...
And yes his writing is very beautiful.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:44 AM
"the only "proper" accent is British English"
Like a Birmingham, UK accent?
I don't know what "British English" is seeing as Britain is Scotland, Wales and England.
Perhaps you mean an English English accent.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:44 AM
all I ask of the lucky bank employees getting the big bonuses is dont be too loose with the spending with regards to housing? Dont jack prices to the moon OK?
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:46 AM
"Bonuses will be huge this year. When I find a table that outlines all of the investment banks I'll post it here."
Awesome - tons of sleep deprived asshats will be anxious to buy overpriced pieces of NYC real estate in 2010!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:47 AM
I really like Jamaican English, sounds almost muscial to me.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:47 AM
Word from the MoTU at The Death Star is bonuses will be much better than last year. I guess I'll be able to move up from PBR and Pork Slap to Fuller's London Pride.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 11:47 AM
the only "proper" accent is British English"
Like a Birmingham, UK accent?
I don't know what "British English" is seeing as Britain is Scotland, Wales and England.
Perhaps you mean an English English accent.
Talk about having a sandy vagina!
Here in the United States British English is a common term, how specific would you like me to be???
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:48 AM
"I don't know what "British English" is seeing as Britain is Scotland, Wales and England."
Welsh accents are WEIRD!!!!!!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:48 AM
"In this economy, one has to be a little selfish - ie I rather those bonus tax rev close some of the state & city budget gaps"
That would be called socialism. The money is earned by private, shareholder owned enterprises. They are complying with the terms of paying back the TARP. Many of them DID NOT WANT TARP to begin with.
TARP is a clusterf&^ck. It was implemented by a bunch of academicians that are running the government, the FED and the Treasury.
The US taxpayer needs to hold them accountable for the TARP money.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:48 AM
Correct English is said to be closest to Scots. What is taken for it now - used to be BBC - is called RP - Received Pronunciation or Estuary English. It sounds posh. With the advent of Michael Caine in Georgie Girl & groups such as the Beatles, the chattering classes began taking on more working class tones which had been unacceptable before.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 11:48 AM
DH, cant beat 'em? join 'em. then change handle to FilthyMONEY
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:49 AM
I can't believe Joe used the SV words!
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 11:49 AM
academicians = Goldman Sax?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:49 AM
I though British English here referred to spellings, not accents. But be as broad as you like.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:50 AM
"In this economy, one has to be a little selfish - ie I rather those bonus tax rev close some of the state & city budget gaps"
DIBS, I meant rather bonus be paid out and taxed (which'll close the budget gaps) vs. them jacking us regular joes to close gap (ie 10% ppty tax hike better than 50% hike)
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:51 AM
Arkady, I think you may be on to something there, the educated Edinburgh accent is very precise in its pronunciation, I can see the claim. However, the Glaswegian accent - I dinna understand it.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:51 AM
It usually does refer more to spelling (organisation, etc.)
Is anyone honestly going to tell me they haven't used or heard the term "British accent"??? WTF!!!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:52 AM
DH - where have you heard Welsh? - it is very odd, some people think it sounds like Pakistani-pronounced English.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:53 AM
I can't believe Joe used the SV words!
That's on my vocab list from last week!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:53 AM
"ENY may not know it yet but I'm actually a nice guy.
PHILLIES WIN!!!!!!!!!"
Hey I can take it, Dave. I'm from Brooklyn, remember? The Yankees are down 2-1. The Phillies are on the verge of going to the next round, somewhat to my surprise. If the Phillies make it, they will have earned it. I think the Yanks will make it too, yesterday notwithstanding. We will see what happens.
I think you're nice guy, Dave. It's true, you do like to play messenger boy for someone who has frequently insulted you, and you flaunt you carnal conquests in a manner I think is excessive, but I'm sure your a nice guy otherwise.
Posted by: East New York at October 20, 2009 11:53 AM
Ok Joe, don't get your knickers in a twist.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 11:54 AM
"DH, cant beat 'em? join 'em. then change handle to FilthyMONEY"
True - i guess that means the bottom is near. I'll buy a 1 bedroom in clinton hill and sell it for 100x what i paid in 4 years - awesome!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:54 AM
biff,
tell joe not to mention cats or we're toast.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 11:55 AM
Joe- that th as a t is common in italian influenced english
(th doesn't happen in italian), west indian, as well as others. Don't tink itsa bronx ting.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 11:56 AM
biff,
tell joe not to mention cats or we're toast.
Duly (another vocab word) noted...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:57 AM
This story all over the real estate news:
A former GS banker sold his condo at 15 CPW for $21.5MM after buying it last year for $11.6MM.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 11:57 AM
True - i guess that means the bottom is near. I'll buy a 1 bedroom in clinton hill and sell it for 100x what i paid in 4 years - awesome!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:54 AM
I'll settle for 3x
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 11:58 AM
"DH - where have you heard Welsh? - it is very odd, some people think it sounds like Pakistani-pronounced English."
A friend of a friend is from Wales - and that friend is from London so I frequently hear the contrast while speaking to them both. Can't really place my finger on teh difference - i guess Welsh sounds more "country" - not the sophisticated english "tony sinclair care to tanqueray?" english accent people are familiar with - but not really cockney either
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 11:58 AM
Lol, just checked in. I love different accents - both North American and those from the UK.
IMO the accents in Atlantic Canada are the most interesting amalgam.
I do indeed pronounce the 't' in 'party', but a stronger accent from my home city would pronounce it as 'par-eh' and drop the 't' altogether.
The thing I found most weird when I moved to the US was how people change vowel sounds, pronouncing 'a' as 'o' in some words.
It still is possible in my home area to tell where someone with a strong accent is from to within 10 miles, but gradually accents are merging together.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 11:59 AM
Well, this is weird then.. Despite the classic Bronx upbringing I never dropped the t in water, or udder for utter. It seems somehow my sister and myself wound up with midwestern accents. I don't say Longiland either. I knew it. I'm strange :-b
Did someone say cats?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:03 PM
Most Americans pronounce a soft "t" in words like water, later, etc, very similar to the soft "t" in Italian. Making it a hard "t", is overpronouncing, akin to what many American actors do when reciting Shakespeare, especially when not trying to fake a pseudo British accent, but speaking "correct" Standard American English.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 12:03 PM
ditto- re Jamaican accents. Me too- I could listen for hours.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:06 PM
Montrose, thats interesting you say it is soft. To my ear it is sometimes completely missing in "water", the pronounciation seems to take a left turn in the middle of the word without getting involved with the T. When it is there, its a D. It may be because I didn't hear the sound at a young age that I can't actually hear the subtlety of it at all. Are you saying the non-word "wader" (to rhyme with water, not as in boots) would be pronounced differently from "water"?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:11 PM
I don't think many Americans even knew about Cockney accents until My Fair Lady, Oliver, and Michael Caine hit the boards in the early 1960's. I know people who are so infatuated with any kind of British accent they can't distinguish between a twee BBC accent, Paul McCartney, and a barmaid from the East End. I have a pretty good ear for accents, and have always wondered how I would do at a job interview if I faked a basic BBC accent, and claimed English West Indian parentage, and years abroad. Being black with an English accent always impresses. Those jobs might start rolling in!
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 12:12 PM
In DC, water is pronounced warter.
Glaswegian is a thing in itself - a piece in the Guardian last week showed an ad for someone who could translate it. And, Ditto, that would be, "I dinna ken 'em."
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 12:14 PM
I think all new UK immigrants to the US should be handed a list as to how to pronounce Missouri, New Orleans, and Oregon. I learned the comical way.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:15 PM
hooray for the welsh but they have their own language so don't expect to speak english the way english do. I've been to wales and my grandparents came from there. It is very sing/songy sound when speaking english....very pleasant to ear.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 12:15 PM
"ditto- re Jamaican accents. Me too- I could listen for hours."
Likewise, hardly matters what they're talking about...lulls me into a calm stupor!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 12:16 PM
Well, this is weird then.. Despite the classic Bronx upbringing I never dropped the t in water, or udder for utter. It seems somehow my sister and myself wound up with midwestern accents. I don't say Longiland either. I knew it. I'm strange :-b
I don't really have much of an accent myself. It all depends who you were around... if you spent much of your time reading books, watching movies you probably don't have much of one but I'll bet it probably comes out at least a little when you're angry. Just don't get angry at me!!! ; )
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:16 PM
Arkady - please excuse me, I've never been good with foreign languages
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:17 PM
MM,
don't try it, I once tried to fake the british accent in an interview and had security called on me by the lady interviewer, when I was trying to say the word for cop, bobbie and it came out boobies.
wooops.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 12:19 PM
Those aren't that hard, ditto, although I have always dealt with people from Nawlins.
I also knew how to pronounce Michigan, (which a lot of Brits get wrong calling it Mitchigan) before I came.
Maybe if Americans come to the UK they should get one for Gloucester, Leicester, Norwich, Chiswick etc.
When I see an English place name used for a town over here now I often have to wonder whether to adjust to phonetic pronunciation or not.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 12:21 PM
Being black with an English accent always impresses. Those jobs might start rolling in!
That's exactly the problem with considering any accent the "proper" one. You begin to make assumptions about people's education, upbringing and their competence at a job that are clearly discriminatory (and illegal).
Believe me, I work out of many hotels, I've had dumb-as-a-rock guests that speak very properly.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:22 PM
I take on the inflection of anyone I'm talking to - when I worked on a film in Manchester, England, & then went back to London people said, "Aha! We knew you weren't American." If someone stutters, I tend to do it too. When I was in the hospital once & several people were visiting, my mother said I took on the cadence of each in turn.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 12:23 PM
if you want to hear every form of the English language, you need only to rent one of these movies;
Snatch
Layer Cake
Rock n'Rolla
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 12:24 PM
I grew up in Lawnguyland and when I move to Manhattan at age 18 I realized just how bad it sounded (I never really heared it until then). I worked pretty hard to get rid of it. I'd slip back into it though if I spent too much time back there. I'd start asking for behz (beers). I'd also throw in plenty of 'oh my gawd' and 'ya know'? into the mix as well.
After I successfully lost all traces of an accent I moved to Brooklyn. All bets were off, my Lawnguyland mutated to Brooklynese and it stuck.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 12:26 PM
I take on the inflection of anyone I'm talking to - when I worked on a film in Manchester, England, & then went back to London people said, "Aha! We knew you weren't American." If someone stutters, I tend to do it too. When I was in the hospital once & several people were visiting, my mother said I took on the cadence of each in turn.
I tend to do that too. I think it's from spending years in sales. You might be a natural salesman!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:26 PM
You should have just stayed in Manchester, Arkady!
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 12:28 PM
My mother is English but has been living in The States for 40 years so even though everyone here still hears the accent when she goes home people refuse to believe she's English. They sometimes ask if she's from Australia but they NEVER think she's English.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 12:28 PM
heared? Jeez.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 12:28 PM
M4L, get what's recommended on the link that I posted earlier. Also, he has good burgers there as well.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 12:29 PM
Well, ditto, theory and practice are two different things, I guess it depends on the speaker, because you are right, many people do say "wader". When I was studying voice, I had hours upon hours of coaching learning how to pronounce words, in whatever language, so that they were understandable to the listener. Since one was also dealing with pitch and rhythm, you also had to make modifications to make it work. English is very difficult to sing in, and be understood, in a medium like opera and classical song, where there is no miking or amplification. Even in non operatic music, there's an obvious reason why no one really knows the words to "Louie, Louie". In singing German and English, we overpronounced the "k,t,and d" sounds at the ends of words, as in "dead", or "todt" (also dead), so one could be understood. You would sound affected to do that in regular speech. It's interesting stuff.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 12:29 PM
joe- actually, come to think of it again because i lost a lot of my hearing when I was about 7, I did learn most of my english through reading. Even today I mispronounce words because I say them as I read them. I'd love to go all Bronx on your a$$ but sadly, lack the verbal chops :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:30 PM
Snatch is a great movie.
What about Scottish accents? Trainspotting was definitely a movie where I had trouble following convos.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 12:30 PM
THL, My great aunt is the same - moved here at age 20, now in her 80's. When I lived in the UK we all just though she sounded American. Now she sounds quite English to me when I hear her.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 12:30 PM
Etson - The worst is Beaulieu - pronounced Bewley. I worked on the Dirty Dozen when it shot there - drove through Beaulieu 4 times looking for Bewley! (See also Beauchamp + Beecham & Beaufort actually said Bowfort.)
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 12:31 PM
I would kill to hear Louie Louie sung in an operatic venue by MM.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:32 PM
Lol Arkady. Also Cockburn (= Coburn), but you can see why they changed that one.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 12:33 PM
Arcady and Joe, I take on accents when I'm abroad, too. Sometimes it makes it much easier to get around and be anonymous. It's fun, too. For the record, I've never done it in a job situation, and never will.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 12:34 PM
John Lennon was interviewed once & when asked why The Beatles sang in "American", said it was because things such as "Get right down to the real niddy griddy" would sound asinine as "nitty gritty".
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 12:35 PM
joe- actually, come to think of it again because i lost a lot of my hearing when I was about 7, I did learn most of my english through reading. Even today I mispronounce words because I say them as I read them. I'd love to go all Bronx on your a$$ but sadly, lack the verbal chops :)
When I first went to college I used to mistakenly pronounce the b and t and subtle (not too subtle of a mistake!). I was very embarrassed in a class-ism sort of way until a professor told me that it's a sign of someone who's well read. Well read introverts commonly mispronounce things, so do kids who read a book and then go and hang out in the projects...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:37 PM
Montrose - When I was young and learning German in high school I didn't think it was possible that German could sound good when sung. But then I heard an excellent Schubert's ave maria... So I had to re-assess that idea.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:37 PM
Ode to Joy anyone?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:39 PM
A friend of mine always said 'mizzled' for misled - great congruence of meaning & word.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 12:41 PM
Arkady, I do pronounce nitty gritty with the ts, and so does my cockney mum - I may be an ass but I'm not the only one!
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
I didn't know that, joe. I used to hide books under my desk and read them because I couldn't follow the conversations. Math was a disaster of course- but strangely I did really really well in science. I read everything I could get my hands on but math books weren't all that fascinating to me (Unless it was a book like "A Beautiful Mind.") I still pronounce the b in subtle in my head and always have to check before I say it verbally.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
John Lennon was interviewed once & when asked why The Beatles sang in "American", said it was because things such as "Get right down to the real niddy griddy" would sound asinine as "nitty gritty".
I don't think any American would say that the Beatles sang in American, strange how perspective is everything, to the Brits they sounded American, while the Americans picked up on teh more subtle pronunciations...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
regional accents have much less to do with class.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:39 AM
Joe-I have to disagree..the way one speaks and they way they are taught as children to intonate have everything to do with upbringing and class. My now retired mom, was a NYS Regent Scholar out of Bishop Mc Donnel Memorial HS., is also a college educated former "Miss Brooklyn" of the late 1950's. She grew up in Northern Brooklyn/ENY/Queens Border surrounded by Doctors , lawyers & business owning, management class Brooklynites. In all honesty ,she nor her old Brooklyn Dodger fan siblings have pronounced regional accents. Nor did my maternal grandparents.(She is the only one in fact who remains in Brooklyn.) The regional accent contrast between my mom's family/older generations as oppossed to that of my Dad's family/older generations was to me growing up , somewhat noticable. Just calling it as I saw it . I tend to agree that the definition of what is proper is very debatable. That's why I "end quoted" it in my original post.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 12:44 PM
I still pronounce the b in subtle in my head and always have to check before I say it verbally.
LOL me too!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:44 PM
I confess to hating the sound of German and how it looks on the page. Considering I love Yiddish, it's pretty obviously emotional. But Yiddish is softer and funnier than German, to me. German sounds harsh and angry.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 12:44 PM
the Americans picked up on teh more subtle pronunciations...
I said "subtle". Heh heh.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:45 PM
Joe, I had the same problem in reading the word evanescent before hearing it, and then pronouncing it incorrectly for the rest of my life (so far).
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 12:49 PM
Inventory still gets me...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:51 PM
I always wanna say invent-tory
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:53 PM
egional accents have much less to do with class.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 11:39 AM
Joe-I have to disagree..the way one speaks and they way they are taught as children to intonate have everything to do with upbringing and class.
By that reasoning Donald Trump must be underprivileged.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:58 PM
My friends from California always make fun of my NYC + Chinese accent. "skool" often triggers their commenting - just like the canadien co-workers with their "abOUT"
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 12:59 PM
BTW I said "much less to do with class" not "nothing to do with class."
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:02 PM
By that reasoning Donald Trump must be underprivileged.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 12:58 PM
Joe, Money does not buy class.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 1:03 PM
M4L - how do they pronounce school?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 1:04 PM
My friends from California always make fun of my NYC + Chinese accent. "skool" often triggers their commenting - just like the canadien co-workers with their "abOUT"
There's a lot of self-deprecating (I think) "Engrish" humor on the internet.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:04 PM
Donald Trump certainly had a very privileged upbringing, more so than any academic lace-curtain Catholic family in Brooklyn.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:06 PM
funny brit pronunciations
oregano = or-ah-gone-oh
banana = bah-nah-nah
tomato = toe-mah-toe
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 1:08 PM
Could it be that Academia just exposed your mom to so many different types of people that she dropped any previous accent, remember it's all about perspective. To someone from Idaho your mom might have stood out like a beacon.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:09 PM
modem = moe-dahm
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 1:10 PM
Ditto, it's the "choo" section of school. they say mine sounds light on the "ch" and more oo on the "oo" vs they emphasis the "ch" and light/soft on the "oo". I, being the lesser educated one vs. them, was in no position to dispute what is correct or not.
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 1:10 PM
DH, don't forget basil - bazil instready of bay-zil
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 1:11 PM
Donald Trump certainly had a very privileged upbringing, more so than any academic lace-curtain Catholic family in Brooklyn.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:06 PM
LOL, privileged to you Joe perhaps. When Donald Trump was a little boy his dad would give him the key to the washing machines and dryers in the Trump buildings , so little Donald could collect the nickels out of them. I'm sure he did Joe.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 1:13 PM
m4l - just say its an atavistic pronunciation based on the high-German progenitor and is therefore more correct.
It might be codswallop, but it should shut 'em up.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 1:14 PM
Also Crescent, As I've said before, I don't really have much of a Brooklyn accent (depending on who I'm w/). I have friends that are less educated who have stronger accents, I also know poor whites from upstate NY who have NO discernable regional accent. In the United States one CAN have to do with the other but NOT NECESSARILY.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:14 PM
In the United States one CAN have to do with the other but NOT NECESSARILY.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:14 PM
Agreed.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 1:18 PM
So what? His dad was filthy rich. He gave him a huge building (100 + apartments) on Ave Z and Nostrand Ave for his 18th birthday, whatever you say, it might be a low-class or vulgar gift (or haircut!) but you can't say DT is "low class" or had a low class upbringing. George W. Bush went to ivy league schools but has cocaine/alcohol brain damage, are you saying you consider his upbringing to be "low class"? It's just not true. GWB and DT are cultured regardless of how low class they choose to be it's a choice Class is not a choice.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:22 PM
haha ditto BAY-zil
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 1:24 PM
There is a definite upstate NY accent, especially in central NY. I grew up there, after moving from NYC at the age of 6, and managed to never have one, mostly due to my Mom making sure we spoke correctly. When I go back to visit family, it's very apparent.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 20, 2009 1:25 PM
There are different kinds of classes & castes - social, economic, educational, etc. Bush & Trump embrace the down-market stance; by my estimation neither of them has "class".
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 1:26 PM
Class is not a choice.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:22 PM
So you are saying that having no class was not your choice?
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 1:28 PM
- Bush & Trump embrace the down-market stance; by my estimation neither of them has "class".
They have crass.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 1:30 PM
"German sounds harsh and angry"
bxgrl, I remember being in Germany and learning the word for "butterfly": schmetterling. Thought it sounded like a WWII fighter plane.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 1:31 PM
In the United States one CAN have to do with the other but NOT NECESSARILY.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:14 PM
Agreed.
Whew! Good, cause I'm beat...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:35 PM
schmetterling = butterfly
butterfly = *Rob*
*Rob* = schmetterling
That's a long one to sign under every post of his
*schmetterling*
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 1:35 PM
Reminds me of Mai Zetterling, CGar :-)
I used to say subt-ul (Some of that guttural Yiddish coming out there)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 1:35 PM
There are a lot of parts to upstate NY - one characteristic of some areas is glottal stop along w/ very flat "A".
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 1:36 PM
So are you saying I shouldn't learn any German lullabies to sing to my baby?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 1:36 PM
So you are saying that having no class was not your choice?
"German sounds harsh and angry"
Crescent- Are you sure you're not German?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 1:37 PM
O.K. Enough w/ the word & class carry on. Here's back to real 'Stoner issues. Everyone should bear in mind that it's a really bad idea to try to paint unless your cats are asleep.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 1:39 PM
I have a Danish friend who speaks about 10 European languages, as well as American English and Japanese. (As he puts it, when you live in a country the size of Rhode Island, you have no choice.) He adopts the accent of whomever he's speaking with, so he'll effortlessly go from Danish to speaking American English with me (no accent whatsoever) to answering the phone and speaking with a proper "British accent" (yes, Joe, I've heard the term often) to a friend in London.
And when I worked for a British bank, I sat near a friend originally from South Africa and another friend originally from Nigeria (educated in the UK and the US), and I used to delight in listening to their competing British accents all day long.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 1:40 PM
dueling accents! I love it!
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 1:45 PM
I love saying "ayuh" instead of yes - Maine accent.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 1:47 PM
CG - South Africans do have weird sounding accents - like a cross btw English and Dutch I guess.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 1:48 PM
So are you saying I shouldn't learn any German lullabies to sing to my baby?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 1:36 PM
"Go to sleep, go to sleep
Little Helmut, little Dieter
Wait til morning, wait til morning
Achtung achtung achtung!"
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 1:51 PM
It's very interesting, DH. Not like any other accent I've heard. I also know someone who speaks with a Welsh accent, and goes back and forth between Welsh and Enlgish, which is fascinating to listen to.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 1:51 PM
LOL IJ!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 1:56 PM
I'm orig. from central NY too, MM. after living in NYC for 35 years it does grate on my nerves when I go visit...although most of my family doesn't sound so harsh.
Also, variance there with a more twang with rural people and italian-american neighborhood still doesn't pronounce the 'th'.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 1:58 PM
Not quite accents, but I find it amazing how many New Yorkers (esp kids) can switch from English to Spanish and back in the same sentence without changing speed.
I am sure people do it with other languages - just have only seen it w/ Spanish.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 1:58 PM
German is supposed to be a particularly easy language for Americans to learn.
Posted by: East New York at October 20, 2009 1:58 PM
jester,
Achtung Baby!
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 1:58 PM
Can we go back to the bacon thread for a moment. I have a question for all you food connoisseurs. My brother emailed me that he was making Julia Child's original Boeuf Bourguignon recipe (rather than my mother's modified - and Kosher - version). The first ingredient listed is "A 6-ounce chunk of bacon", for which apparently you need the rind more than the meat of the bacon, more specifically the cooked fat from the rind in which you then brown the beef. He was at a loss for what to use as a substitute for the "chunk of bacon" used by the French, and his butcher was no help. Any thoughts?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 1:59 PM
There's a great show on BBC America- Gavin and Stacy. The guys are from London and the girls are Welsh. I can get the Engliush accent no problem but sometimes I have to run back the Welsh bits and hit mute for closed captioning!
http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/327/index.jsp
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 1:59 PM
etson,
spanglish.
as in; "...I'm going back to my casa..."
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 2:02 PM
CarGar - you can get huge chunks like that at Marlow and Daughters.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 2:03 PM
CarGar - You can use fatback - what you're really looking for is the fat (white) part of bacon, not so much the rind. Many butchers have uncut bacon. Don't use Chinese bacon - it has too distinctive a flavor. I save bacon fat whenever I cook bacon & just use that.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 2:03 PM
Weird that a butcher wouldn't be able to help with that.
He could just buy a packet of bacon and cook it really slow so as to render off the fat. Keep the bacon for something else or donate them to Rob's corn thingy recipe.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:05 PM
I bought a chunk of bacon for my chili at Staubitz recently. They just cut off a hunk instead of slicing it. You could ask them not to cut off the rind.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 2:06 PM
THL - You're right - it'd be perfect for Rob. (Or me.)
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 2:07 PM
Or he can buy fatback or caul. It won't taste as 'bacony' as the bacon fat though.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:07 PM
So weird, my posting/updating is so delayed. I see that Arkady posted the fatback thing ages ago and It's just popping up on my screen way after the fact.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:10 PM
"I got turned off by the OT, not very friendly."
Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 20, 2009 1:59 PM
Hey Guys! I just had a nice exchange in the HOTD thread with Tara in the Slope (who had stopped at UHall but then didn't come over to meet us), and asked her where she's been (her response above). I explained that, notwithstanding some recent bickering, we're really a nice, warm, friendly, collegial group. (Please don't prove me wrong, LOL.) Anyway, if you happen to see her in the HOTD or another thread, please see what you can do to coax her back over here. (We need all the dues paying members we can get!)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:11 PM
- (We need all the dues paying members we can get!)
Obviously, you just want TITS.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 2:15 PM
Everyone loves TITS...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:17 PM
DH, Arkady, THL, Cobble - Thank you all for your suggestions. I will pass them on. And bring some to him next time I visit. (He lives in a vast suburb, about 45 minutes west of Boston, which may explain why he struck out with his butcher.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:18 PM
- Everyone loves TITS...
With or without an accent?
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 2:19 PM
THL, I'm having posting delays, too, resulting in a double post. (And what a double post it is!)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:21 PM
CarGar, leave the girl along. if she wants to join us, she will. I'm sure she's monitoring our posts.
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 2:23 PM
OK...Here's a great mutual fund for all of you to look at...The Congressional Wealth Detruction Fund
www.congressionaleffect.com
CEFFX
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 2:26 PM
So TITS isn't fake after all.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 2:26 PM
We could use two fried eggs to go with all this bacon....
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 2:27 PM
Ti(t)s true. Not everyone in a wolf in sheep's clothing. Perhaps we should lower the terrorist threat level?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
^^^I do, but who's keeping track.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
- And a "BJ"
That was just wrong (somehow)...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:28 PM
Apparently not, etson, though there were theories. She seems very nice. I wish she'd come back to the OT. I'd even bake "Welcome to the Neighborhood" brownies for her!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:29 PM
OK...Here's a great mutual fund for all of you to look at...The Congressional Wealth Detruction Fund
Looks interesting Dave.
What's CEFFX?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:31 PM
in = is
I'm so off today with the typing today. Sorry guys!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:31 PM
Apparently not, etson, though there were theories. She seems very nice. I wish she'd come back to the OT. I'd even bake "Welcome to the Neighborhood" brownies for her!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:29 PM
if you include a tray worth specifically for me, I'll get her to come over - leverage 1 Asian onto another Asian
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 2:31 PM
"I do, but who's keeping track"
Me, for one, BJ
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:32 PM
Maybe Wasder can help us start an OT block association with a welcoming committee.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 2:34 PM
CEFFX is the ticker symbol for the mutual fund
Did you think it was some PLUSA code that you've not yet run into???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 2:34 PM
- "Welcome to the Neighborhood" brownies for her!
Heeeey! I didn't get any brownies????
No nuts, and you got yourself a deal.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 2:35 PM
dibs,
that's incredible. it's like something out of Catch-22.
investing in the demise of US capitalism.lol.
what does it buy? Chinese and Russian derivatives or
perhaps Iranian energy securities.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 2:36 PM
Very sad news:
Snappy just let me know that her Gramma died suddenly just last night. She's pretty broken up about it, as you can imagine. Pia is doing her furry best to comfort her. She'll be traveling in a day or so to the funeral, so she may not be on the OT much for a bit.
Sending you lots of love Snappy, so sorry you're going through this, we're with you in spirit.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 2:36 PM
Precisely Dave.
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:36 PM
"Not everyone in a wolf in sheep's clothing. Perhaps we should lower the terrorist threat level?"
Si, my apologies Tara, my wariness/threat level is running VERY high these days.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 2:38 PM
Was Snappy at UH last Thurs?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:38 PM
It buys the S&P, and holds either that or gold/cash...no fancy stuff...read the website.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 2:39 PM
I think I'm a sheep in wolves clothing sometimes...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 2:40 PM
Cobble, will you please give Snappy my condolences and tell her we're thinking of her.
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 2:41 PM
"if you include a tray worth specifically for me, I'll get her to come over"
Consider it done, m4l
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:43 PM
I think she'll be reading/lurking a bit here and there and will see condolences, but will be sure to pass along, BJ.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 2:44 PM
Very sorry to hear of your loss, Snappy.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 2:45 PM
no, Joe, Snappy was not there last week.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 2:46 PM
just got back from the doctor. he said my wheezing went away and i just need to be on the inhaler for another week or so. and he happily wrote me a prescription for chantix. then he said he needed to go blood work to check my liver. is that normal?
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 2:47 PM
paging dibs - i just saw someone who looked like your asian bf (but definitely not) workin at the soho bloomies.
different hair, and smaller arms but he looks similar and def plays for your team!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 2:56 PM
Blood work is normal whenever anyone goes on a new medication. All medication gets processed through the liver and many can have deleterious effects on the liver. It's just precautionary.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 2:57 PM
*rob*, my doctor tests my liver every few months, though it's because I take Lipitor. And the vet has to test my dog's liver every few months to test the effects of medication she's taking . . . not that I'm comparing you to my dog, LOL. I think it's pretty standard practice.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 2:58 PM
dh....what kind of a wingman are you?????? Thanks for the heads up but what, no number?????
:)
PS I suspect most men that work at Bloomies play for my team!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 2:59 PM
deleterious- another new word for Joe! Don't worry Crescent I'mma be high falootin' in no-time!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:00 PM
im afraid when i go back in 3 weeks for the results he's going to tell me to stop drinking 40s!! no 40s, no smoking, i dont even have sex! what kind of life is that!? a crappy one. no wonder im cranky all the time
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 3:01 PM
You were taking a steroid, no? [Advair?] They like to watch your liver when you take a drug like that.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:01 PM
11217 is back from Turkey - just saw him in the HOTD thread.
Cobble, I'm hungry. Any good leftovers in the fridge? No more chili, huh?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:03 PM
cobble...someone sends an apology saying he might have deleted your login or something by mistake.
I'm just his messenger boy.
I am a sad, sad little man
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:04 PM
quote:
You were taking a steroid, no? [Advair?] They like to watch your liver when you take a drug like that.
ugh. do you think i messed my liver up while drinking heavily on the steroid!? oh well, livers are stupid anyway.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 3:08 PM
Rob, I think your financial advisor might also tell you to quick drinking 40's and stop smoking (and to start having sex), too.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 3:09 PM
Rob, I have no idea of what you have done to your liver!
I just know that docs like to watch steroid drug effects closely.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:09 PM
ugh. do you think i messed my liver up while drinking heavily on the steroid!? oh well, livers are stupid anyway.
They are very naive (or nave as I like to pronounce it...)
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:10 PM
DH, you shoppin at Bloomies? Life must be swell. Recession is ova!
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 3:10 PM
haha dave ;)
i'm workin on it - i def notice hot gay asian dudes more now bc of you. haha
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:11 PM
haha Kens - i need a new coat like woah
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:12 PM
CGar, hummous, pita and olives for lunch! Sorry, the chili is long gone!
DIBS, I explained to Biff, and he was going to explain to SDFL.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:12 PM
No, you have not messed up your liver on a short period of that drug. They just want to get a baseline and monitor it from here on while you are on the drug.
Don't worry, don't stop drinking and do have more sex, protected of course.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:12 PM
Hey all,
Yes, I'm back from Istanbul. Fantastic, amazing, incredible trip. I didn't want to come back. Even to my precious Park Slope. :)
Although seeing that Laytner's Linen and Home is opening around the corner from me has given me a small reason to live.
Hope everyone has been healthy and happy and that you all had a good meet up at Union Hall.
Posted by: 11217 at October 20, 2009 3:12 PM
haha dave ;)
i'm workin on it - i def notice hot gay asian dudes more now bc of you. haha
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:11 PM
STAY OFF MY CORNER, BEOCH.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:13 PM
11217 in da house!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:14 PM
haha dibs - not for me of course !!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:15 PM
"STAY OFF MY CORNER, BEOCH."
Wrong blog, DIBS. No beoch here.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:15 PM
aha dave ;)
i'm workin on it - i def notice hot gay asian dudes more now bc of you. haha
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:11 PM
STAY OFF MY CORNER, BEOCH. -DIBS
Aaah... the voice of reason
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:15 PM
haha Kens - i need a new coat like woah
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:12 PM
DH, you shoud try Uniqlo and Topshop ha ha ha ha! I crack myself up with that one.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 3:17 PM
haha Topshop scares me
Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 20, 2009 3:19 PM
A little late, but here it is (I had to adjust the spellings to catch how it's sung; Billie's 1938 version is best, right Legion?):
You say either
And I say eye-ther
You say neither
And I say nyther
Either, eye-ther, neither, nyther
Let's call the whole thing off
You like potatoes
And I like potahtoes
You like tomatoes
And I like tomahtoes
Potatoes, potahtoes, tomatoes, tomahtoes
Let's call the whole thing off
But oh, if we call the whole thing off
Then we must part
And oh, if we ever part
Then that might break my heart
So if you like pajahmas and I like pajamas
I'll wear pajahmas and give up pajamas
For we know we need each other
So we'd better call the calling off, off
Let's call the whole thing off
So if you go for oysters
And I go for ersters
I'll order oysters and cancel the ersters
For we know we need each other
So we'd better call the calling off, off
Let's call the whole thing off
Posted by: slopefarm at October 20, 2009 3:20 PM
"DIBS, I explained to Biff, and he was going to explain to SDFL."
Cobble, it's all taken care of.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 3:23 PM
Bravo! (no homo, Italiano)
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:23 PM
i got my winter coat from the trash. literally. someone just left it outside on top of the trash. ill probably only wear it when im not in the mood to wear a faux fur coat, which is like rare
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 3:26 PM
NY Post story about curbing (or kerbing) curb cuts.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/fresh_teeth_to_bite_curb_cuts_w1nrC6JfpgewPF4XqhnM5J
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 3:26 PM
slopefarm,
Billie Holiday singing Cole Porter?
begin the beguine.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 3:29 PM
THL! Where are you?! Need recipe help!
What about mushrooms and cream sauce, maybe peas, on noodles for my chicken breasts? Can I use milk instead of heavy cream in the roux? Or will it be watery and gross? Can I sub in a little more flour and butter?
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:31 PM
i got my winter coat from the trash. literally. someone just left it outside on top of the trash. ill probably only wear it when im not in the mood to wear a faux fur coat, which is like rare
*rob*
It's good to be a size "L" You don't find a whole lotta XXL's in the thriftshop...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:32 PM
O.k., first off, I just went outside to feed my outdoor cat buddies- it was warmer out there in the sun than it was in my house! Who knew?
Second, had another weird pregnancy craving which I'm indulging right now...fruit cocktail. The cheapo chopped up kind from a can. You know, the kind they serve in nursing homes. Yeah, I'm craving nursing home snack foods. My only complaint? They got cheap with the cherries. I remember as a kid that there used to be more than 3 per can!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:32 PM
I almost always use milk in mine since I don't usually keep cream on hand. Just don't add as much.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:34 PM
Yeah, I'm craving nursing home snack foods.
Don't worry, I'm craving Salvation Army clothes!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:34 PM
cobble, make a roux first...equal parts of milk & flour heated together.
Also, another great chicken & mushroom dish is sauteed with thyme and dry vermouth...lots of butter and served over pasta (no roux necessary).
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:35 PM
I'm hearing a new pronunciation of 'oil' coming out of the hood... oyo. As in Oy-yo
Also am fascinated at the crossover of the pronunciation of 'street' as 'shtreet' from/to different ethnic groups.
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:37 PM
"I don't usually keep cream on hand."
It's an effective form of contraception. Okay, maybe that was wrong. I just don't know anymore...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 3:37 PM
Dave, you don't toast up the flour with the butter first? I usually don't add the milk till it's a nicely brown and bubbly.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:38 PM
Thanks THL!
Oh, thyme, I love thyme. Nice, thanks DIBS!
Running out to veg. market now>>>>>>>
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:39 PM
thl, I used to have to eat that sh*t as a kid. Canned peaches, fruit cocktail, pears. Haven't touched it since. Nor Wonder bread, Velveeta, and a few other things.
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:39 PM
LOL Joe!!! Your theory would be o.k. if I wasn't already pregnant.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:40 PM
I'm sorry Cobble, peas are gross- especially with mushrooms and cream sauce.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 3:40 PM
THL, every once in a while I get a craving for canned fruit cocktail (or canned pears or canned peaches). Del Monte. Can't explain my cravings though. Jell-o too.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:40 PM
Since there are so many mac-heads out there, there's a sneak peak at PhotoShop CS5 on Youtube with Russell Brown and Scott Kelby. Seems like Adobe has run out of good ideas...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShE_jS8jLE
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:41 PM
"Dave, you don't toast up the flour with the butter first? I usually don't add the milk till it's a nicely brown and bubbly."
DIBS butters up anything that is nicely brown and bubbly.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 3:42 PM
"I'm sorry Cobble, peas are gross"
I heard that Pete, I'm still putting my shoes on!
And I suppose you don't like Al freddo with proscuitto and peas??
Harumph!! ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 3:42 PM
I still add some Velveeta to my baked macaroni. Nothing beats it's creaminess and this is coming from the cheese sauce queen!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:43 PM
Peas are gross? Did you get force-fed them as a kid? Peas go great with those things.
CG, you're really taking me back. Some more things I won't eat: Jello, boxed chocolate pudding, and canned cake icing. Along with Aunt Jemima pancake mix and especially, anything referred to as 'pancake syrup'.
Some chef interviewed by the NYT a while ago said if you cook you either cook in honor of your mother, or in defense against her. Needless to say, I am the latter. (Not that I'm a great cook, but I get the job done and enjoy it meanwhile).
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:44 PM
I vote yes to peas! Love them, love them, love them!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:45 PM
CH, I make that all the time. Those frozen petite peas are the best.
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:46 PM
It's just too bad your stove wastes so much fuel Denton!
(KIDDING!! and just a wee bit jealous)
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:47 PM
Blink, I'm gone!
Posted by: brownjokester at October 20, 2009 3:47 PM
I'm getting sick to my stomach with the visual of those little green things ruining a nice mushroom cream sauce.
THey are ok only fresh, right out of the pod and uncooked.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 3:48 PM
I still like box chocolate pudding. With real whipped cream though.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:48 PM
"CG, you're really taking me back. Some more things I won't eat: Jello, boxed chocolate pudding, and canned cake icing. Along with Aunt Jemima pancake mix and especially, anything referred to as 'pancake syrup'."
Denton, my mother (grandmothers, aunts) were all great cooks, and my brother and I cook in their honor. But every once in a while I crave some off-the-shelf processed food from my childhood (or college in the cake of canned cake icing), and you've just named a whole bunch of them.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:48 PM
Pete, I have a niece who eats frozen peas right out of the bag. Right out of the freezer. Still frozen.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:50 PM
THL, chocolate pudding from a box. Or butterscotch. Still warm. No whipped cream necessary (though either chilled Cool Whip or Ready Whip in the spray can would always do).
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:51 PM
Yes, butter first in the roux, sorry.
[Sickly vision of uber fat Paul Prudhomme sitting to cook with those humungous fat hands making a roux]
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:51 PM
My childhood nightmare was canned carrots and peas and Veg-all. Ugh!!!
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 3:51 PM
poor Snappy, my heart goes out to her.
Petite pois are great.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 3:52 PM
"What about mushrooms and cream sauce, maybe peas, on noodles for my chicken breasts?"
CH, I just noticed that... I would dump some brandy in the shrooms at high temp and flame them first, (before adding milk or cream) else the whole thing seems a bit bland.
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 3:52 PM
"THey are ok only fresh, right out of the pod and uncooked."
Pete- My mom grew them and we (me and the neighborhood kids) would sneak into the garden and sit on the ground picking and eating all of them right off the vine (greenbeans too) and my mom would loose her mind! I heard her scream from the garden "JUST ONE GOD DAMNED NIGHT I'D LIKE TO HAVE PEAS WITH MY DINNER, JUST ONE NIGHT!"
Uh oh....
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:53 PM
When I was growing up we got canned peas and my mother would cook them until they were gray.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 3:54 PM
God bless frozen veggies!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:56 PM
Veg-All just sounds disgusting doesn't it?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 3:57 PM
Sandy Veg-All sounds worse. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 4:00 PM
THL- you have no idea. So overcooked that only willpower kept each vegetable in a semblance of its former self. I swear as soon as the can was opened it started turning a ghastly shade of corpse green
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:02 PM
I only liked the boxed instant puddings never the cooked ones with the awful skin on top. (and please don't go back to other days discussion).
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:02 PM
Thanks CGar. I've been just beyong bad today with the typos and spell-dohs. Don't know what wrong with me.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:03 PM
I think the canned peas came out of the can gray. That is beyond disgusting. Maybe if frozen peas were still frozen texture and taste are muted.
Those real petite ones are edible if cooked and covered up with something else.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:04 PM
"So overcooked that only willpower kept each vegetable in a semblance of its former self."
That will haunt me.
Maybe I can get a few cans and keep them on hand to serve as punishment if this kid acts up.
YOU WANT VEG-ALL FOR DINNER? NO? THEN CUT IT OUT NOW!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:05 PM
anything referred to as 'pancake syrup'."
Yeah, when did friggin' corn syrup become the universal sauce?
You'd be surprised how many people think it's "unusual" how I use real Maple!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:06 PM
Understood, THL. So I won't even touch "beyong bad". ; )
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:06 PM
Did someone say PUDDING!!!
My-T-Fine, eaten practically scalding hot right out of the pan!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 4:07 PM
Oh shit! That was SO not intentional!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:07 PM
"with the awful skin on top. (and please don't go back to other days discussion)"
ROFL, Pete. To what discussion might you be referring?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:09 PM
Joe, I grew up on pancake syrup. So when I finally got some real maple syrup I didn't like it. To me, it didn't taste right.
I'm a cheap date.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:10 PM
THL, chocolate pudding from a box. Or butterscotch. Still warm. No whipped cream necessary (though either chilled Cool Whip or Ready Whip in the spray can would always do).
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 3:51 PM
CG- Reminds me of something my grandmother used to make: Ice Box Cake- I recall it just consisting of chocolate pudding , Nabisco Grahams, sliced bananas and whipped cream layered in a baking dish, then put in the fridge to chill before being served. I have heard that this "cake" as well as Ebinger's Blackout were all the rage in mid -century Brooklyn.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 4:10 PM
"When I was growing up we got canned peas and my mother would cook them until they were gray."
Ditto. Now THAT's gross!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 4:10 PM
O.k. any of my British friends out there love Bird's custard as much as I do?
I remember it poured hot over pound cake with banana slices. Incredible!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:11 PM
"I would dump some brandy in the shrooms at high temp and flame them first"
Denton, what if I don't have brandy, but I have about a tablespoon of cognac leftover from baking. Can I use that instead?
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 4:11 PM
Just a quick question...perhaps it was discussed while I was away....is this dandel character a total whackjob, or is it just me...?
Why am I getting myself into this crap after such a great holiday?
Oh yeah, cause it's fun. :)
Posted by: 11217 at October 20, 2009 4:12 PM
Crescent, I've had more modern variations on Iced Box Cake. Still good. (BTW, meant to tell you yesterday, my ornery grandfather lived to be 94.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:12 PM
YES Cresent!! My dad still raves about Ebinger's Bakery.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:13 PM
Is Beyong Bad Dave's BAFF?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:14 PM
11217, I don't know, but I only noticed dandel for the first time in the last week or two, and s/he has been gunning for DIBS. I saw the fisticuffs on the HOTD thread; I thought your comment was funny.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:15 PM
THL! me too!! about the syrup. when i tried real maple syrup for the first time (in vermont actually!) i was like this sucks. it was too watery. give me my mrs buttersworth anyday over the real crap. did you know maple syrup comes from the bark of TREES? that's gross.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 4:17 PM
THL - my all-American daughter loves bird's custard on sticky-toffee pudding. We have it every 6 months or so.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:18 PM
dandel seems schizo or at least manic depressive. She vacillates between supporting a point of view and then railing on a similar one from what I can see
I will check out the HOTD for some entertainment.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 20, 2009 4:18 PM
"the real crap"
That's going in my dictionary of "Robisms"
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:20 PM
We used to have bananas and custard, THL. One of my faves.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 4:21 PM
Thanks CarrollGardened. I remember getting into it with him/her before I left because he/she is seemingly incapable of making a comment about Wall Street without adding the word "crook" on the end of it.
And when I called him/her out on it, he/she said that I (along with FSRG) must work in the Finance Industry. And then he/she today said I had the reasoning skills of a 2 year old because I said Bill Thompson would never win against Bloomberg which is funny 1. because of said comment above about me working in the Finance industry and 2. because I told HIM/HER that they had the reasoning skills of a toddler for assuming such 2 weeks ago. He/she really showed me.
Anyway, I think I'm done with this one. :)
Posted by: 11217 at October 20, 2009 4:21 PM
gee, what is better entertainment 11217 vs dandel or 11217 vs Rob?
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:22 PM
Very interesting documentary about corn and how it impacts so much of what we eat.
http://www.kingcorn.net/
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 4:22 PM
It's great that you can get it here now. We used to have it sent to us by my aunt or we'd just stock up when we went over.
My other favorite British items are Battenburg Cake and Bakewell Tarts. I literally bring an empty suitcase when I go so I can bring tons of them back with me.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:23 PM
"King Corn" was also a good episode of The West Wing. Where is chicken when I need him?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:24 PM
"maple syrup comes from the bark of TREES"
Really? I thought the put they whole tree in a big saucepan with honey and simmered it gently for 30 mins.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:24 PM
rob- maple syrup is tree sap. It's not made from the bark.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:26 PM
THL - you can get it, but it costs an arm n a leg
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:26 PM
Official Biff count? 400 to etson?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:27 PM
Who said that ditto, never mind, I know. It had to be Rob!
Rob, read this, please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_syrup
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 4:27 PM
etson got it!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 4:27 PM
well, a couple of us have suggested today that Rob have some(more) sex... Sounds like we have a volunteer.
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
etson was #400.
"I'm not fighting Rob anymore.
I've decided I love him."
Good approach. Uou catch more flies with maple syrup than you do with vinegar.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
"you"
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 4:29 PM
Rob - not to gross you out too much, but french fries are made from the tubers of plants which grow in dirt.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:30 PM
rob,
there's something scary about that Mrs.Butterworth commercial. there you are, eating breakfast in the morning, just had some vivid dreams, and the glass bottle starts moving it's arms and saying eat this.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 4:33 PM
"Uou catch more flies with maple syrup than you do with vinegar." -- old canadian expression
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:35 PM
11217, you have the reasoning ability of a 2 year old. Who are you accusing of having multiple logins?
You should shut the fuck up the next time or not make flippant statements without the ability to back them up. You act like a child otherwise.
Saying "it does not matter because...." is just plain weak. You are a disgrace.
***BILL THOMPSON FOR MAYOR***
Posted by: dandel at October 20, 2009 3:52 PM
Dandel's tone sounds remarkably like What's...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:35 PM
ditto, you're totally cracking me up today
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:36 PM
I haven't ever had a -hundred post before. I did get 1111 on the monster thread a couple of months ago..
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 4:38 PM
I think I've been watching too many Children of the Corn movies. I won't be opening any cans of it for the next few years.
dittoburg- LOL. I just envisioned you wrestling and enormous maple through your kitchen, stuffing it into a little saucepan. You didn't win.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:38 PM
You've got to be seriously off your rocker to type the STFU phrase out. Whenever I see that I just cringe.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 4:38 PM
Yeah, Legion, I totally hate coming in from a night of drinking, only to find the bottles in my pantry gesticulating wildly and telling me what to do!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:39 PM
THL- I used to tremble everytime my mother reached for the Veg-all can. It was a fate worse than death.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:40 PM
British streaky bacon & bangers. My friends are embarrassed to bring bangers over here.
Also Kerrygold butter.
Choc digestives.
Aero bars.
Rhubarb rock.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 4:40 PM
Does anyone want to tell Rob what Jello is?
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:41 PM
All this Brit food talk is making me hungry for Chip Shop
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:41 PM
Lucozade.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 4:43 PM
bxgrl, and during my aboreal struggle I let loose a few American curses because British ones just don't cut it when you're really pissed off
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:44 PM
When I finally go to London, I want to do two things: go to St. Jude Street after a song I really, really like, and eat at all of Gordon Ramsey's pubs.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 4:44 PM
Does anyone know what those hard candies are called that are kinda butter-scotchy and kinda minty? I used to get them in the sweets shop by weight.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:44 PM
Infinite - I think that too - if your STFUing you've already gone to stage 1 postal.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 4:46 PM
mushy peas!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:46 PM
CG- Wow, I hope we both make it to those ages!
THL- I have been hearing about these Ebinger products my entire life. All cakes, danish etc. are compared to but not equal to the mighty Ebinger's. Back in the day they home delivered and my grandparents as well as great grandparents had an Ebinger account. They also sponsored the old Brooklyn/Queens Anniversay Day ( Brooklyn Day) parades that were very popular through the late 1950's. In fact till this day if my sister or I comment about a good chocolate cake and that comment is within earshot of "Miss Brooklyn Queens Anniversay Day 1959", we will quickly hear ....." Not as good as Ebinger's Blackout".. and if she is really on a roll she will remind us that Ebinger sponsored the float that they rode her down Atlantic Avenue on...this is a running joke in our family...somehow we do believe this is partly responsible for all of us being in therapy at one time or another... :)
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 4:46 PM
I was perusing the aisles at my local supermarket
and there was this small section for British foods,
so I'm looking at the cans of imported teas and Pims,
and there's this Heinz tin with the title "Spotted Dick".
On the paper wrapping was an image of some type of sponge cake looking food.
I laughed out loud and people were looking at me funny.
I said what is this? an episode of Benny Hill?
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 4:47 PM
no sex for me. ive said it hundreds of times before, ive embraced the asexual lifestyle! besides no one in the world can pleasure me like i pleasure me.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 4:49 PM
yeah, Rob, Real vegetarians don't eat jello. Ever wonder why?
Posted by: Petebklyn at October 20, 2009 4:49 PM
All this Brit food talk is making me hungry for Chip Shop
I love how they wrap the fish & chips in newspaper.
After growing up on Roll & Roaster (they call they're potato-chip-shaped french fries "chips") I used to think "chips" had to be round!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:49 PM
jester,
I looked up St Jude Street (having also liked that song for a long time, but never bothered before we spoke about it). It's a short street in a fairly rough part of North London called Stoke Newington - a long way from where I lived in SE London.
Doesn't Gordon Ramsay have a restaurant here as well?
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 4:49 PM
Doesn't Gordon Ramsay have a restaurant here as well?
In the London Hotel. I'd be more than happy to make a reservation...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:52 PM
cresecent- we can all trade stories about put us in therapy. I'm sure ours is that my folks wouldn't let my twin have a pony- a bitterness she has never recovered from. Mine is Veg-all, and evening spent sitting for hours in front of a bowl of cooked butterscotch pudding with the skin that I wouldn't eat. :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:52 PM
"besides no one in the world can pleasure me like i pleasure me."
That's sorta the point of going elsewhere. New experiences...
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:53 PM
Crescent, THL, I can't figure out why Ebinger's is so familiar to me because there's no frame of reference I can think of. I'm too young to remember it from the 50s, and I had no family (that I know of) in Brooklyn. Who knows? Perhaps they exported to Connecticut.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:53 PM
"I'm not fighting Rob anymore.
I've decided I love him."
NOW I'm confused.
Posted by: East New York at October 20, 2009 4:54 PM
I have Molly O'Neill's New York Cookbook and she has an Ebinger's Blackout Cake recipe in it. I looked online and someone has it all typed out:
http://tinyurl.com/yzz6355
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 4:54 PM
bxgirl, i totally dont eat jello. i know it's made from animal nails, hair, and gonads. ick! im not a vegetarian or anything, but those parts are not appealing to me. and you may have solved the mystery about why my gothic teenage sister ONLY eats canned corn for lunch and dinner... maybe she's a huge children of the corn fan!!! i loved those movies, they made SOOOO many of them.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 4:55 PM
Roll & Roasters..... YUMMMMM........
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 4:55 PM
bxgrl, you take your twin to the Kensington stables. I've never went but I've been meaning to learn... might make a good birthday present!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:55 PM
"besides no one in the world can pleasure me like i pleasure me"
QOTD, *rob*, ROFL
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:56 PM
Doesn't Gordon Ramsay have a restaurant here as well?
In the London Hotel. I'd be more than happy to make a reservation...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 4:52 PM
Joe, will we be eating for free? if so, sign me up for next open slot (re-writes).
Posted by: Kensingtonian at October 20, 2009 4:57 PM
Yes, etson and joe, I ate there once, wonderful meal but awfully more-ish (small portions). When I go I'll skip the street sightseeing however in retrospect. A friend moved there and offered to play tour guide so I think I'll make it happen next year.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 20, 2009 4:58 PM
I'd love to learn too. Oh well, someday. I'm actually afraid to let her near a horse- she'd probably trample me :)
rob- only the hooves. No hair, no gonads (where do you get this stuff?)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 4:58 PM
Tara, if you post here, I'll win that tray of brownies from CGar. I'll gladly split it with you.
CG_ups, I sold out my earlier post for the tray of brownies.
CGar, the brownies better be good else, we'll have a real confrontation
Posted by: more4less at October 20, 2009 4:59 PM
quote:
I'd love to learn too. Oh well, someday. I'm actually afraid to let her near a horse- she'd probably trample me :)
me too, definitely don't trust horses. when i first moved to brooklyn last year i was like why not let's see what the big hoopla is about prospect park. not only was i totally underwhelmed and thought it was gross, but im walking around and out of no where a woman on a horse comes trolloping out of no where.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 5:06 PM
CG- I believe they closed up for good in the early 70's. Perhaps you have come across an old Ebinger faded sign somewhere in Brooklyn, I know of one that still exists ( signage that is) in Bensonhurst, near the exit of the N train, near 65th street at 18th ave. About 10 years ago the signage of an old Donut Shop from the 70's that had closed up ,was removed and under it was the original large interconnected Ebinger tiles with the lettering/ shadowing clearly visible in Ebinger script. I believe this place still sits there unoccupied for some reason...
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 5:07 PM
"where a woman on a horse comes trolloping out of no where."
rob- ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Horse prostitution. I hope someone alerted the ASPCA! (you did mean galloping, right?)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 5:09 PM
""King Corn" was also a good episode of The West Wing. Where is chicken when I need him?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 4:24 PM"
Here I am. What do you need?
Spent most of the day waiting for the local council building control guy (equivalent to your DoB) and then running around like a headless chicken for the rest of the afternoon.
Posted by: the chicken at October 20, 2009 5:12 PM
Cresent- I took a picture of that exact sign for my dad. It's been empty for YEARS now. Wonder why.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:13 PM
Horse trolloping- that is PRICELESS!!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:13 PM
bxgrl - I loved that too. Trolloping!
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 5:13 PM
Ahhh, chicken, my fellow West Wing aficionado. How goes it otherwise?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:14 PM
All good otherwise. Hopefully the house sale will go through at the end of the month - then I'll be cash rich and house poor.
Posted by: the chicken at October 20, 2009 5:16 PM
quote:
(you did mean galloping, right?)
yes! galloping!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 5:17 PM
ch, we'll have to go to a bar sometime :-)
Cognac is a brandy that comes from a specific region in France, just as Champagne is a sparkling wine ditto.
Generally, I'd save Cognac for drinking, and I use E&J or that German brandy, forget the name, for cooking. But if you have some left-over Cognac it would work fine.
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 5:17 PM
"did you know maple syrup comes from the bark of TREES? that's gross."
Rob, did you know most of the stuff is a bottle of that sh*t comes from a barrel of oil?
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 5:19 PM
"then I'll be cash rich and house poor"
Not a bad place to be really. Are you then moving to the States?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:19 PM
Trolloping is when you can't control the horse properly, the poor old nag is stuck between a trot and a gallop
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 5:20 PM
CG- you were ok though, you had Stew Leonards!
Cresent- I took a picture of that exact sign for my dad. It's been empty for YEARS now. Wonder why.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:13 PM
I would assume the building is part of/ tied up in an estate or real estate trust. Since it is Prime Commercial, next to the subway entrance , it has greater value than other parcels around it, my guess is that whoever/whatever is holding ownership of it, is holding onto alot more than just that building.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 5:21 PM
Or there's a trollop astride a galloping horse
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:21 PM
Joe, will we be eating for free?
If I send enough people there...with the economy the way it is comps are exceedingly difficult to get...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 5:22 PM
whoa ditto, so i totally was right in using the word trolloping? maybe im a horse whisperer!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at October 20, 2009 5:23 PM
I had a thought that perhaps it was the MTA and they're waiting for the whole strip to vacate so they could re-purpose.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:23 PM
Bethenny Frankel is pregnant
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:24 PM
"where a woman on a horse comes trolloping out of no where."
trolloping- it's what trollops do...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 5:24 PM
still have to wait for my green card - and messy work situation but, yes, I'm going to get to Brooklyn if it kills me!
Posted by: the chicken at October 20, 2009 5:25 PM
"Cognac is a brandy"
DOH! I had a feeling you were going to say something like that! I'm a wino, what do I know!
I use a Tablespoon or two in a cookie recipe I make, and so I have one of those little airline size bottles with about a tablespoon left in it!
Thanks, denton!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:25 PM
"Bethenny Frankel is pregnant"
That trollop! You know, I knew the minute she got wind that I was pregnant she'd pull this shit. What a copycat!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:26 PM
Good luck chicken, took me 10 darn years to get mine. I heard things have got better though.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 5:27 PM
"yes, I'm going to get to Brooklyn if it kills me!"
Oh, good, then we'll be able to count on you showing up for drinks! Don't need to tell you it's a good time to buy here - I've been looking all year myself, but can't decide exactly what I want and whether I'm willing to change neighborhoods.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:27 PM
Alright peeps, I am outta here like Vladimir. G'night!
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 20, 2009 5:29 PM
LOL, THL! Shame on her!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:31 PM
"DOH! I had a feeling you were going to say something like that! I'm a wino, what do I know!"
You should know then that brandy also comes from grapes :-)
1 tablespoon of brandy will just give a taste. When cooking with it, I usually use 1/4 cup, dump it in over high heat, then tip the pan so the alcohol catches on fire. Exciting too :-)
Posted by: denton at October 20, 2009 5:32 PM
THL- I don't think it's MTA property. All of those 20 x 100 buildings were/are privately owned. That's whats so strange about that place. In any event I would rather look at it in it's present "abandoned Ebinger's" condition than see it reincarnated into some of the other venues that line that avenue...next time I'm down that end I will try to notice the building address and run it on Property Shark to see what comes up...Who knows maybe the Ebinger's still own it.
Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 20, 2009 5:35 PM
"Exciting too :-)"....
DOH! Oh no! : P
...If I don't burn down the building!
Well, one T. will have to do tonight. Next time, I'll 'go crazy' and hit the liquor store for the BIG bottle! LOL!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:36 PM
I think Ditto's right - a gait between a trot & a gallop (skipping the canter.)
Or a blowsy palomino w/ long, flowing mane, tail & fetlocks.
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 5:36 PM
I think I might be able to figure out the address using google street view if I can remember the name of the pizza place right there.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:38 PM
10 years ditto??!?! Did they keep throwing your application back for typos? I'm hoping mine will come through early next year.
Posted by: the chicken at October 20, 2009 5:38 PM
Chicken - it was stuck in the Department of Labor for the longest time, they sat on it and everyone elses after 9/11. Thanks Mr. bin Laden.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 5:42 PM
AM I crazy or is the street view option gone? How come I'm not seeing it?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:44 PM
I got mine in 5 years and it was after 9/11. Must be an additional 5 year wait time for EUROTRASH.
:-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:45 PM
Ewwwwwww!!! Did anybody look at the piece on Junior's from FIPS on the wrap-up?
Posted by: Arkady at October 20, 2009 5:45 PM
I got mine much faster than that, in 2002.
Posted by: etson at October 20, 2009 5:48 PM
I just tried it, got down to streets and then drag the little person in the nav to the street! [I know, that sounds weird.]
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:48 PM
"I got mine in 5 years and it was after 9/11"
I can't believe they even let people in from Canada after 9/11. What were they thinking?
(Arkady, no, I was afraid to look.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:48 PM
Arkady, what did it say (sorry, just being lazy)?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:49 PM
500?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:49 PM
"I can't believe they even let people in from Canada after 9/11. What were they thinking?"
Perhaps that it's time to change this country for the better?
:-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:50 PM
"then drag the little person in the nav to the street"
Why is it that you tall people always have to drag us little people around like it's sport?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:50 PM
%%%
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\-/
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 5:50 PM
500 (for Snappy)?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:51 PM
I'm crazy - I figured it out- duh!
O.k. I'm thinking it's 6308 18th Avenue Brooklyn, NY since the nail place directly to it's right is 6306.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:51 PM
Ok, that's just bad.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:51 PM
Official Biff count? Looks like Legion takes 500.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:52 PM
LOL, CGar! : P
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 5:52 PM
Legion got it with his incomprehensible post.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:54 PM
Yeah, Biff, but all you furreners get here and then run us natives down with your bikes on the Brooklyn Bridge. (OK, so maybe that's just you and ditto.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:54 PM
Blowsy Palomino- LOL!!
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 5:54 PM
Its a delightful typoportrait, of biff! :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 5:56 PM
Whaddya talk? Legion drew us a nice symbol picture.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:56 PM
I worked at Junior's years ago as a short-order cook. Shortly afterward I stopped eating there.
Posted by: East New York at October 20, 2009 5:57 PM
Yup, 1608 18th Avenue it is. It shows the current owner as living on Macdonald Avenue in Brooklyn last sales date is 1974.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 5:57 PM
Biff - I think it might be because I kept mis-pronouncing Missouri.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 20, 2009 5:57 PM
Someone please tell me what the Junior's article is about! I just tried to open it, and the site is blocked here!!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 5:59 PM
"Legion drew us a nice symbol picture."
Oh, now I see.
I was looking at it upside down (don't ask).
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 5:59 PM
I like the onion rings at Junior's. I only ate there once. I guess it was my first and last time...
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 20, 2009 6:00 PM
ENY- isn't that always the way it goes though?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 6:00 PM
Cgar suffice it to say, mice enjoy cheesecake as much as we do.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 6:03 PM
Thanks, THL. Guess I won't be eating their cheesecake anymore. Should we tell Snappy?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 6:06 PM
biff,CG
it's my version of a bear/reindeer or something.
it's late, and it's been a long day here.
Posted by: Legion at October 20, 2009 6:06 PM
Yeah, THL it is. It's never the same once you get to see the picture behind the scenes.
CarGar - think about the rat-a-thon at the Subway restaurant in the Village a while back.
Posted by: East New York at October 20, 2009 6:07 PM
Legion, I like it, but bxgrl is right. It looks more like Biff than a bear or reindeer, LOL! (And I also see where Biff was going with it upside down.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 6:09 PM
Maybe she can bring Pia and Hari there for lunch.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 20, 2009 6:09 PM
okaaay- maybe biff was doing it right :)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 6:11 PM
Thanks, ENY
You, too, see where he was going with that, bxgrl?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 20, 2009 6:14 PM
Yes- in a rather terrifying way.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 6:17 PM
Y Y
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V
Maybe? (Hopefully it will come out like I typed it.)
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 6:22 PM
Noooooooo!!! It's ruined!! My artistic career is destroyed!!
Posted by: bxgrl at October 20, 2009 6:24 PM
Since Snappy's not here...I guess I'll turn out the lights.
**click**
thump, bump, clunk....oh crap! maybe i should have brought a flashlight with me...
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 20, 2009 8:02 PM
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